He was at 19+ mins in the playoffs, out for most PKs and played arguably the best stretch of hockey in his pro career to date. I don't know how well he'll play in the AHL much less the NHL but he was absolutely a contributor in FBK's run to the SHL championship. I don't think he'll ever be a player with nice underlying numbers -- he'll get a lot of D-zone starts and puck moving isn't his strength -- but that wouldn't be why he'd be in the lineup in the first place. He's not devoid of talent. When under no pressure, he'll pull out the occassional play with the puck where you do a double take to be sure it was Ginning that did it but he's going to be a short-pass or chip off the glass guy most of the time.
- bmeltzer

If he strictly stay at home, doesn’t put up very many points and makes even the occasional mistake, those types of players get no respect. Robert Hagg, Nicholas Grossmann Luke Schenn were enjoyed by Flyers fans as the new shiny toy in the beginning but that changes quick if you aren’t flashy.

4 years ago. Means very little in 2022
- hello it's me 2050

So you are condemning the man for his draft value from 4 years ago compared to what it would be today? They drafted him and signed him, calm down Francis!

It's a shame that he is the only player from the second round of the 2018 to not workout. Just a shame.

My dream draft scenario:

1) Montreal - Wright...because they have to
2) New Jersey - Nemec...because they need to stock up more on D
3) Arizona - Slafkovsky
4) Seattle - Jiricek...because they need young D BAD
5) Flyers - Cooley

then blah blah blah

Flyers trade the rights to O'Brien and something else for a mid-late 1st and select Seamus Casey.

Flyers trade JvR to Seattle for one of their 2nd round picks...the Flyers eat 2m.

Flyers use the 2nd round pick to select Filip Bystedt.

*wipes hands*

Let's go home.

My dream draft scenario:

1) Montreal - Wright...because they have to
2) New Jersey - Nemec...because they need to stock up more on D
3) Arizona - Slafkovsky
4) Seattle - Jiricek...because they need young D BAD
5) Flyers - Cooley

then blah blah blah

Flyers trade the rights to O'Brien and something else for a mid-late 1st and select Seamus Casey.

Flyers trade JvR to Seattle for one of their 2nd round picks...the Flyers eat 2m.

Flyers use the 2nd round pick to select Filip Bystedt.

*wipes hands*

Let's go home.
- Glak18

Your top 5 is not that far out of the realm of possibility TBH.

Personally I am hoping for Nemec out of all of them (with the caveat that Wright is a non starter).

Byram played over 18 in the games he played. EJ and JJ were mainly bottom pair.

Not sure what Manson has played since acquired.

For the playoffs makar, toews, girard, mansnn have all played over 19.

EJ hair under 16. JJ no go at all.
- hello it's me 2050

Manson played 17:24 regular season in Colorado, which you knew as you looked at Byram's minutes. It just didn't fit your narrative. So pre-Manson, Murray was playing 2nd pair at 14:05/game (limited special teams minutes), and Manson played 17:24. The bench is routinely shortened in the playoffs, so that response is a straw man. Byram got hurt relatively early. EVERY team has injury issues that affects their minutes distribution. Yes, that can be a big part of the reason WHY a team's 2nd pairing d-man could be playing fewer minutes - he's a lower end 2nd-pairing guy. Not rocket science.

I gave you an example of where a team's 2nd pairing d-man was playing 17 minutes just by looking at ONE team.

Your top 5 is not that far out of the realm of possibility TBH.

Personally I am hoping for Nemec out of all of them (with the caveat that Wright is a non starter).
- MBFlyerfan

My order of want is as followed (not necessarily the best, but my want):

Tier 1: Cooley, Slafkovsky, Wright
Tier 2: Nemec, Kemell, Savoie
Tier 3: Lekkerimaki, Jiricek, Nazar

It was a hard choice between Kemell and Savoie, but after watching even more Kemell I fell in love with his ease of zone entry. Just a little worried if he can finish in the NHL.

why would there be concerns about the health of RR? Less this year he really hasn't missed any time.
- hello it's me 2050

They are no concerns about his injury history. Other than one person being concerned.

Bill,

Any chance the Flyers are looking at Andrei Kuzmenko, if so, any chance of him coming here. If not, why not.

Also, Jay Wells with a birthday. Totally forgot he played for the Flyers.
- mikeyo27

They've scouted him. All the talk is that the Canucks have the inside track to sign him but who knows until the player makes a final decision?

Manson played 17:24 regular season in Colorado, which you knew as you looked at Byram's minutes. It just didn't fit your narrative. So pre-Manson, Murray was playing 2nd pair at 14:05/game (limited special teams minutes), and Manson played 17:24. The bench is routinely shortened in the playoffs, so that response is a straw man. Byram got hurt relatively early. EVERY team has injury issues that affects their minutes distribution. Yes, that can be a big part of the reason WHY a team's 2nd pairing d-man could be playing fewer minutes - he's a lower end 2nd-pairing guy. Not rocket science.

I gave you an example of where a team's 2nd pairing d-man was playing 17 minutes just by looking at ONE team.
- Quetzalcoatl

wrong. Your example is weak as laid it out for you. Go look at all the playoff teams. Tell me what top 4 dman is played 17 minutes in regular season. That is your assignment. Let me know when complete. Of those teams what is the over/under of how many play 17 in your opinion.

zero expectations for Ginning. Hasn't progressed all that much in Europe. Big Kjell will no doubt have him ready.

Bill if he wasn't 6'3 would the flyers have signed him in your opinion? Or if he was a 6th rd pick?
- hello it's me 2050

Big Kjell’s track record is abysmal. Dude should’ve been fired from head of D man development and was instead promoted to head of player development. Doesn’t get a lot of flak but this is one of the worst instances of the old guard ignoring all else and keeping one of their buddies employed.

My order of want is as followed (not necessarily the best, but my want):

Tier 1: Cooley, Slafkovsky, Wright
Tier 2: Nemec, Kemell, Savoie
Tier 3: Lekkerimaki, Jiricek, Nazar

It was a hard choice between Kemell and Savoie, but after watching even more Kemell I fell in love with his ease of zone entry. Just a little worried if he can finish in the NHL.
- Glak18

For me, after pouring through scouting reports recently:

1 - Wright
2 - Cooley
3 - Nemec
4 - Savoie

I would question how well Kemell's zone entry prowess will translate to the narrower NHL ice.

I would be ok dropping Savoie a bit based on his concussion history, but I do think his game will translate very well to the NHL, more so than the rest in consideration at #5 that I didn't list.

holding your own is not a great endorsement in any way. Spent 4 years in sweden and on the bottom pair. Where is the upward trajectory?

Sure sign him as not much to lose, though as i said if he was a 6th rd pick would he be signed?

Though this reeks of the flyer hockey mantra all the way. Size and alleged physicality.
- hello it's me 2050

What Flyers mantra?

They have not been big or aggressive in years.

Some folks on here think we are still in the pre lockout Bobby Clarke off-season where we brought Bundy, Rathje back. Those days are long gone.

However, you do need to hit and clear the porch in the playoffs. Assuming we ever get back there.

It’s almost as if some fans are afraid to have a physical team.

Big Kjell’s track record is abysmal. Dude should’ve been fired from head of D man development and was instead promoted to head of player development. Doesn’t get a lot of flak but this is one of the worst instances of the old guard ignoring all else and keeping one of their buddies employed.
- hereticpride

hopefully Jason Smith can be much more helpful

What Flyers mantra?

They have not been big or aggressive in years.

Some folks on here think we are still in the pre lockout Bobby Clarke off-season where we brought Bundy, Rathje back. Those days are long gone.

However, you do need to hit and clear the porch in the playoffs. Assuming we ever get back there.

It’s almost as if some fans are afraid to have a physical team.
- Joe Nardone

Need to focus on offensive skill and defense first. Physicality can always be added later.

wrong. Your example is weak as laid it out for you. Go look at all the playoff teams. Tell me what top 4 dman is played 17 minutes in regular season. That is your assignment. Let me know when complete. Of those teams what is the over/under of how many play 17 in your opinion.
- hello it's me 2050

You spend all day every day on the boards, YOU do the analysis, Cliff. You wanted examples, I gave you one after only needing to look at one team. Anything else is just you being you.

Flyers interviewing Trotz on Friday. I guess Chevy did not close the deal as of yet.

You spend all day every day on the boards, YOU do the analysis, Cliff. You wanted examples, I gave you one after only needing to look at one team. Anything else is just you being you.
- Quetzalcoatl

The example you gave me was proven wrong.

Regular season:

Boston - based on minutes no top 4 played 17.
Calgary - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Carolina - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Dallas - - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Oilers - - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Florida - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Kings - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Wild - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Preds - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Rangers - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Pens - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Blues - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Tampa - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Leafs - based on minutes no top 4 played 17
Caps - based on minutes no top 4 played 17

So no top 4 is playing 17 minutes on any playoff team.

Flyers interviewing Trotz on Friday. I guess Chevy did not close the deal as of yet.
- Trox88

why would Trotz sign with the first team n interviewed with? He will make the rounds as he should.

why would Trotz sign with the first team n interviewed with? He will make the rounds as he should.
- hello it's me 2050

I would assume he has already had discussions with interested teams. Would it not make sense to visit first the club on the surface Trotz would favor? Make an offer, he can't refuse? We'll see how it plays out.

For me, after pouring through scouting reports recently:

1 - Wright
2 - Cooley
3 - Nemec
4 - Savoie

I would question how well Kemell's zone entry prowess will translate to the narrower NHL ice.

I would be ok dropping Savoie a bit based on his concussion history, but I do think his game will translate very well to the NHL, more so than the rest in consideration at #5 that I didn't list.
- Quetzalcoatl

Bumping down Slafkovsky...why is that?

The example you gave me was proven wrong.


- hello it's me 2050

ffs

I would assume he has already had discussions with interested teams. Would it not make sense to visit first the club on the surface Trotz would favor? Make an offer, he can't refuse? We'll see how it plays out.
- Trox88

Not sure that is the case. Wouldn't it be the last as you get the other offers first then take to the team you want?

I am sure he has an idea where he wants to go and what will be offered. Still makes sense to go in person to hear others out.

Bumping down Slafkovsky...why is that?
- Glak18

Didn't do much in the regular season, and then had a great Olympics - 7 games. That sounds too much like other questionable picks such as Puljujarvi.

Just my opinion, though.

Didn't do much in the regular season, and then had a great Olympics - 7 games. That sounds too much like other questionable picks such as Puljujarvi.

Just my opinion, though.
- Quetzalcoatl

Slafkovsky didn't have Laine or Aho to play with.

Slafkovsky didn't have Laine or Aho to play with.
- Glak18

Oh, for sure. It’s just such a small sample size that vaulted him into the conversation. That’s scary to me.