I don't have a problem taking their time with this.
- Pelle31Forever

I have to agree. This is too important to rush. I don't expect a coach announced till well after the playoffs end.

yeah 17+ minutes are pesky facts. Is that not bottom pairing minutes?

omg
- hello it's me 2050

17 minutes is not bottom pair minutes...... The typical bottom pair minutes are around 13-14 minutes. Ex. Yandle who spent the entire year on the 3rd pair was 13:59 ATOI, Connaughton and Seeler where in 13 min range as well.

Younger guys like York, Attard, Zamula and Hogberg had 16+ mins ATOI but you have to factor in they played up and down the lineup over the last 5-20 games

17 minutes is not bottom pair minutes...... The typical bottom pair minutes are around 13-14 minutes. Ex. Yandle who spent the entire year on the 3rd pair was 13:59 ATOI, Connaughton and Seeler where in 13 min range as well.

Younger guys like York, Attard, Zamula and Hogberg had 16+ mins ATOI but you have to factor in they played up and down the lineup over the last 5-20 games
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He played on the bottom pair in sweden. For many years.

Using those 3 turds as an example is funny to me. They were not good so they couldn't play more. That in turn taxed the other 4. You need your bottom pair to give you 15-17 every night. Though I am sure you disagree.

eagles shaping up to be the savior of philly this year

He played on the bottom pair in sweden. For many years.

Using those 3 turds as an example is funny to me. They were not good so they couldn't play more. That in turn taxed the other 4. You need your bottom pair to give you 15-17 every night. Though I am sure you disagree.
- hello it's me 2050

He was at 19+ mins in the playoffs, out for most PKs and played arguably the best stretch of hockey in his pro career to date. I don't know how well he'll play in the AHL much less the NHL but he was absolutely a contributor in FBK's run to the SHL championship. I don't think he'll ever be a player with nice underlying numbers -- he'll get a lot of D-zone starts and puck moving isn't his strength -- but that wouldn't be why he'd be in the lineup in the first place. He's not devoid of talent. When under no pressure, he'll pull out the occassional play with the puck where you do a double take to be sure it was Ginning that did it but he's going to be a short-pass or chip off the glass guy most of the time.

He was at 19+ mins in the playoffs, out for most PKs and played arguably the best stretch of hockey in his pro career to date. I don't know how well he'll play in the AHL much less the NHL but he was absolutely a contributor in FBK's run to the SHL championship. I don't think he'll ever be a player with nice underlying numbers -- he'll get a lot of D-zone starts and puck moving isn't his strength -- but that wouldn't be why he'd be in the lineup in the first place. He's not devoid of talent. When under no pressure, he'll pull out the occassional play with the puck where you do a double take to be sure it was Ginning that did it but he's going to be a short-pass or chip off the glass guy most of the time.
- bmeltzer

I was talking about the regular season when he was at 17. He played more in the playoffs, that's good. Maybe the light came on.

What about the prior larger sample size? Can you say he has really progressed over the last few years? It is a no risk signing to take a look. Nothing more imo. Sounds like a typical dman the flyers archaic approach love.

He played on the bottom pair in sweden. For many years.

Using those 3 turds as an example is funny to me. They were not good so they couldn't play more. That in turn taxed the other 4. You need your bottom pair to give you 15-17 every night. Though I am sure you disagree.
- hello it's me 2050

Information not easily available, but last night Florida's 3rd D pairing averaged 14 minutes and I'm sure Tampa's average was lower since Foote was getting short-shifted.

Tough crowd….guy hasn’t even played in North America and guys are writing him off…lol. Get him in to camp and let’s see where he’s at. Still young and room to build on his game. He’s got some physical size and was always part of the the Swedish JR.s quality teams, so he is not devoid of talent.

I was talking about the regular season when he was at 17. He played more in the playoffs, that's good. Maybe the light came on.

What about the prior larger sample size? Can you say he has really progressed over the last few years? It is a no risk signing to take a look. Nothing more imo. Sounds like a typical dman the flyers archaic approach love.
- hello it's me 2050

Among their top 6 he played the second most games played, the third highest +/- (even), and had the 4th highest ice time per game.

Virtanen 24:49
Wikstrand 20:42
Johansson 18:40
Ginning 17:49
Goransson 17:45
Nystrom 15:32

Take that for what it is.

Tough crowd….guy hasn’t even played in North America and guys are writing him off…lol. Get him in to camp and let’s see where he’s at. Still young and room to build on his game. He’s got some physical size and was always part of the the Swedish JR.s quality teams, so he is not devoid of talent.
- landros 2

Agreed. Ginning was also ranked 5th among international prospects by NHL Central Scouting in his draft year. He wasn't a big reach at that pick.

Bill,

Any chance the Flyers are looking at Andrei Kuzmenko, if so, any chance of him coming here. If not, why not.

Also, Jay Wells with a birthday. Totally forgot he played for the Flyers.

17 minutes per game usually indicates a high end 3rd pairing to low end 2nd pairing d-man, depending on the team. Below 15 minutes/game indicates a very one-dimensional player, rookie being eased into the lineup or a career AHLer forced into the lineup due to injuries. Minutes can also be affected by a very high end, high minutes top pairing player(s).

Information not easily available, but last night Florida's 3rd D pairing averaged 14 minutes and I'm sure Tampa's average was lower since Foote was getting short-shifted.
- backfire

It is the playoffs. the benches get shortened no?

Among their top 6 he played the second most games played, the third highest +/- (even), and had the 4th highest ice time per game.

Virtanen 24:49
Wikstrand 20:42
Johansson 18:40
Ginning 17:49
Goransson 17:45
Nystrom 15:32

Take that for what it is.
- MBFlyerfan

Good info. Nothing sticks out in his 4 years in Sweden. Bottom pair guy. As said repeatedly a no risk signing.

17 minutes per game usually indicates a high end 3rd pairing to low end 2nd pairing d-man, depending on the team. Below 15 minutes/game indicates a very one-dimensional player, rookie being eased into the lineup or a career AHLer forced into the lineup due to injuries. Minutes can also be affected by a very high end, high minutes top pairing player(s).
- Quetzalcoatl

What 2nd pair d only play 17 minutes a game? Be curious to see who they are as I do not know.

Agreed. Ginning was also ranked 5th among international prospects by NHL Central Scouting in his draft year. He wasn't a big reach at that pick.
- dubc55

4 years ago. Means very little in 2022

yeah 17+ minutes are pesky facts. Is that not bottom pairing minutes?

omg
- hello it's me 2050

You have your opinion, and that is fine. However, saying Ginning never progressed even having been on a championship team without any proof is just that….your 2 cents. Saying he is a 3rd pairing guy in one post and saying you need 15-17 minutes from your 3rd pair while seemingly ignoring that he played between 17-20 on average from regular season to playoffs, OMG. No one has even suggested that he is NHL ready now or that he projects to have more than 3rd pairing ceiling at the NHL level.

On a side note, your posts today are the exact opposite of sunshine on a rainy day. You said it yourself, it is low risk…a minor signing. OMG, are you okay?

He was at 19+ mins in the playoffs, out for most PKs and played arguably the best stretch of hockey in his pro career to date. I don't know how well he'll play in the AHL much less the NHL but he was absolutely a contributor in FBK's run to the SHL championship. I don't think he'll ever be a player with nice underlying numbers -- he'll get a lot of D-zone starts and puck moving isn't his strength -- but that wouldn't be why he'd be in the lineup in the first place. He's not devoid of talent. When under no pressure, he'll pull out the occassional play with the puck where you do a double take to be sure it was Ginning that did it but he's going to be a short-pass or chip off the glass guy most of the time.
- bmeltzer

Uh oh another defenseman that just does his job...can we start blaming him for everything now and call him the worst defenseman in the NHL?

You have your opinion, and that is fine. However, saying Ginning never progressed even having been on a championship team without any proof is just that….your 2 cents. Saying he is a 3rd pairing guy in one post and saying you need 15-17 minutes from your 3rd pair while seemingly ignoring that he played between 17-20 on average from regular season to playoffs, OMG. No one has even suggested that he is NHL ready now or that he projects to have more than 3rd pairing ceiling at the NHL level.

On a side note, your posts today are the exact opposite of sunshine on a rainy day. You said it yourself, it is low risk…a minor signing. OMG, are you okay?
- NC Flyers Fan

need 15-17 in the NHL. Surely an educated hockey fan like yourself can figure that out no? Wow he played a pubic hair above 17 in the regular season. Didn't ignore the 19 at all. That seems to be an anomaly over his career.

Yes he never progressed in any significant way. You believe what you like.

What 2nd pair d only play 17 minutes a game? Be curious to see who they are as I do not know.
- hello it's me 2050

First team I looked at, based on 6 d-men with most games played:

Makar 25:40
Toews 25:22
Girard 21:38
E. Johnson 17:17
J. Johnson 16:45
Murray 14:05

need 15-17 in the NHL. Surely an educated hockey fan like yourself can figure that out no? Wow he played a pubic hair above 17 in the regular season. Didn't ignore the 19 at all. That seems to be an anomaly over his career.

Yes he never progressed in any significant way. You believe what you like.
- hello it's me 2050

Will do. Tell you what, I’ll take your 2 cents and toss it into the fountain for luck. Go Ginning!

First team I looked at, based on 6 d-men with most games played:

Makar 25:40
Toews 25:22
Girard 21:38
E. Johnson 17:17
J. Johnson 16:45
Murray 14:05
- Quetzalcoatl

Byram played over 18 in the games he played. EJ and JJ were mainly bottom pair.

Not sure what Manson has played since acquired.

For the playoffs makar, toews, girard, mansnn have all played over 19.

EJ hair under 16. JJ no go at all.

Will do. Tell you what, I’ll take your 2 cents and toss it into the fountain for luck. Go Ginning!
- NC Flyers Fan

Go toss a salad. A house vinaigrette is my suggestion.

Uh oh another defenseman that just does his job...can we start blaming him for everything now and call him the worst defenseman in the NHL?
- Glak18

…not yet in the NHL. Yeah, apparently this vibe though.

Go toss a salad. A house vinaigrette is my suggestion.
- hello it's me 2050

I already had a chocolate, peanut butter, banana protein shake, but thanks for the lovely thoughtful response anyway.