I have a question.

Davidson said in a recent interview that the team is developing a profile of what they want in the next coach. Then he says King would be considered for the vacancy.

So how to they know King fits the profile if it hasn't been created yet?
- boilermaker100

It's called courtesy. Also, since he has some familiarity with the club, they likely want to see if he fills enough of the other criteria they are looking for.

Carolina is one step slow on defense. That JC defensive system is killing them.....

It's called courtesy. Also, since he has some familiarity with the club, they likely want to see if he fills enough of the other criteria they are looking for.
- Chunk

Could be. Thanks for the input.

https://www.crossingbroad...arry-trotz-on-friday.html

So if Trotz is willing to hear what the Flyers have to say maybe the Hawks will talk to him also. Tocchet would be my choice for coach.

I know he spoke with the WinniJets yesterday I believe.
- Rota's Rooter

Carolina is one step slow on defense. That JC defensive system is killing them.....
- mohel

But
Carolina has better skill players (than Chicago)
Might be a couple variation of how JC system worked. Yet pretty much same system Seems Carolina is dangerous offensively but gives up too many prime scoring opportunities this season.

It has been said that most system played right will work. I know many on the board can speak to this.. However, JC system leaves me thinking, there must be a better way. I am skeptical whether Carolina can advance to a Cup final even with more improvement in personnel......if still coached by Brind'Amoir and the JC system type defence.

Carolina is one step slow on defense. That JC defensive system is killing them.....
- mohel

They weren’t too slow that third period, but maybe the Rags were sitting back trying to hold on, never a good strategy for an entire 3rd period.

https://www.crossingbroad...arry-trotz-on-friday.html

So if Trotz is willing to hear what the Flyers have to say maybe the Hawks will talk to him also.

I know he spoke with the WinniJets yesterday I believe.
- Rota's Rooter

He can play his highest offer including non monetary against the team he really wants to coach.

He can play his highest offer including non monetary against the team he really wants to coach.
- rpeters01

Here is a possible scenario...
Not suggesting it happens, but you never know
Trotz hired in Chicago. King named one of his assistant coaches

Learn Trotz ways. Then incorporate into your way [King]. In a couple years or so King could be ready to step back behind bench as head coach in the NHL. How much longer is Trotz going to coach anyway?

McDavid is so good he could try to score a touchdown and the extra point but it may not be enough to overcome the Flames.

Edmonton will not be able to douse the red hot Flames. Calgary can try to block or impede McDavid. Yes, they can try.

Could be. Thanks for the input.
- boilermaker100

Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a pud. Was sharing the second bottle of the night with the wife when I posted that.

Huh...

EDM went with the 11F 7D arrangement, and it went about as well as could be expected.

Why do coaches keep doing this?

Hindsight being 20/20 I guess it worked since Russell only played about 5 minutes, but still.

I don't know keeping King around in a scenario like was mentioned about just strikes me as mucking him around for no real reason -just fish or cut bait on him.

The question they need to be asking then getting an idea of the answer is what coach would be good at developing and growing the type of talent that they have in an NHL environment.

You can argue that King had a pretty long audition in doing that this season, and I don't know that he's the guy that you'd go with.

There isn't any minor leagues of NHL coaching, not outside of the AHL really, so I don't know that anyone tries to develop an assistant coach to ultimately take over for what sounded a lot like a place holder coach that knew what he was doing.

Trotz- it is easy to see what he is doing, he's looking for a job and seeing what his options are. I don't think that it means he is interested, or particularly well suited to the team type scenario that the Hawks are going to have for awhile - maybe Philly thinks they're in a different place and that's their pitch -the Hawks already went public with what they were doing ... they probably had to have some sort of fan event in the interests of transparency/marketing (which they seem to have gone completely overboard with lately --- I mean... a front office roll out show? Yeh ok ... as a fan I don't honestly care who the assistant GM is, or that he thinks he can transmogrify some sort of baseball front office idea because hockey has been his dream for so long, that he magically set it aside the minute Ricketts went all nostalgically Wrigley in his directions with regards to his on field talent. The fire sale there sort of was a tip off.

I imagine fashion shows will be next, plus radio-thons -- this seriously is parodiable --- It wouldn't be as maybe edgy as Slapshot back in the day, so maybe they could call that movie: Touch Pass ... where you cop a league hearing for breaking wind near a mic'd up guy between the benches...

The players listed are third pairing or extra guys. Kempny played above his talent level his first year with Washington other than that he's been a mediocre player his whole career.

In terms of drafting + developing: Nashville and Boston seem to be good at it. Colorado has Byram and Makar that were drafted and Girard was picked up as a prospect (from Nashville) so half their blue line.

Half of the Wild's blueline was drafted by them or developed (spurgen was picked up after being discarded by NYR).

Dallas drafted half of their blue line.

Most of the Islanders blue line was home grown and they were a good team before this year.

The Hawks haven't drafted any one of consequence on the blue line since Hammer and Keith was the last impact player. Between moving on from Leddy and picking up Jones, they haven't traded for, drafted or signed a free agent of significance on the blue line. Its very bad.

Certainly Tampa Bay, Carolina, Calgary, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Vegas, NYR (though they don't really defend) have all targeted players that fit in with what they want to do and get results.

Which the Hawks certainly haven't done either - albeit a lot of that is because they can't evaluate the talent in the first place.
- fattybeef

Anybody hear the Scotty Bowman interview on Sirius NHL Radio yesterday?

Talked on many hockey subjects and one of them was his well known admiration for very good defencemen and what they bring in building a winning team. One player he spoke of was Bowen Byram. He mentioned flying out to Western Canada to specifically watch him pre-draft, and said he was very impressed with what he saw. And he left it by saying 'but the Hawks wanted to draft a center' and quickly moved on to other topics.

And there was no mention of him still being associated or not with the Blackhawks.

So the teams themselves aren't really doing anything to develop them outside of surrounding them with competence (at a minimum) and giving them time to gain experience.

Then, yeah, the Hawks suck at that. They traded away anyone who didn't become a notable producer within about a year and a half max, or drafted guys that weren't worth much to begin with.

Boqvist
Krys
Joki
Rutta
Kempny
Forsling
Carlsson (sort of)
Holl
Johns
Dahlbeck
Dahlstrom (sort of)
Clendening
Olsen
Pokka
- Chunk

Lalonde?

Interesting. What did the hiring of Greenberg change for you?

I'm a bit more matter-of-fact when looking at things like this. Considering KD's comments on the rebuild, his reiteration of such comments, and previous actions, I would say your description of careful is right on. That being the case, I don't think he is actively shopping ADB (which I wholeheartedly agree with). I think he is expecting to keep him as a centerpiece. If someone comes in and offers the moon, he will consider it, but I highly doubt that he is saying to teams I will send ADB to you if you give me XYZ.

He has said the timeline is what it is. They would like a first round pick this year, but they don't need one. The proof will be the acquisitions he makes. I fully support his demeanor and method thus far.

For what it's worth (probably the equivalent of a day old ham sandwich), I think the following are done on this team:

Kubalik
Strome
Murphy
Toews

I can see them taking some big dollar, underperforming assets back with some nice sweeteners.
- Chunk

I was using Greenberg as a timeline. At the time he wasn't hired and as far as I knew KD's upper management team was complete with MacIver added and maybe Campbell having a seat at the decision making table.

Then comes Greenberg and I guess we can wonder what role he'd play, or voice he'd have, in a trade like Dcat.

We don't know yet how deep KD can go into a rebuild as that hinges on Kaner but I guess what I'm most focused on is the foundation from which decisions will be made and I guess is KD ready and comfortable making franchise changing moves right now. ........ Reason would have it that yes of course, he's the GM now, but his seemingly being a careful thinker I wondered if he felt comfortable with his newly constructed management team.

Maybe an example is a guy like Trotz being on the market hasn't changed the process he/his team has laid out for hiring a coach despite a top notch coach being available right now. He just seems to be careful in what he does and doesn't deviate.

I think his approach is something most every Hawk fan has hoped for the last 5 yrs. Have a plan, get the whole organIzation on board with that plan, don't deviate and execute the plan.

Anybody hear the Scotty Bowman interview on Sirius NHL Radio yesterday?

Talked on many hockey subjects and one of them was his well known admiration for very good defencemen and what they bring in building a winning team. One player he spoke of was Bowen Byram. He mentioned flying out to Western Canada to specifically watch him pre-draft, and said he was very impressed with what he saw. And he left it by saying 'but the Hawks wanted to draft a center' and quickly moved on to other topics.

And there was no mention of him still being associated or not with the Blackhawks.
- RickJ

How did Scotty B sound? Is he still sharp?

The supporting cast is largely replaceable in the sense that, by definition, there are more equal quality players available on the market. The problem is fitting those players in as the cost of your superstars begins to skyrocket. Hjalmarsson was no superstar, but an immense part of the success. Same with Oduya, Sharp, Frolik, etc.

You need depth, and superstars, and a goalie, and a good coach, and some luck. There isn't a team that has won without all of these things.
- Chunk

Yeah. And thats why I don't mind Dach. Even if he is just a pretty good secondary player you do still need those guys. But they also need another franchise player that can impose their will on the game. Missing on both the 8 pick and the 3 pick was no bueno though.

I think we mostly agree.

Yeah. And thats why I don't mind Dach. Even if he is just a pretty good secondary player you do still need those guys. But they also need another franchise player that can impose their will on the game. Missing on both the 8 pick and the 3 pick was no bueno though.

I think we mostly agree.
- fattybeef

If Dach turns into a legit two way 2C who can score 20+ goals and 60 or more pts and plays on both special teams, would you consider that a miss?

Not saying he will but I’m also willing to give a 21 yo more than a couple injury riddled seasons to find his game to see what he can become.

He can play his highest offer including non monetary against the team he really wants to coach.
- rpeters01

Could be. Who knows? I don't know if he's even the right type of coach at this stage of the Hawks' rebuild. Although KD did state that he'd prefer a coach that will stay the course as the team improves over time.

I just thought it was interesting that he's speaking to teams that are pretty much on the same plain as the Hawks right now.

I don't think money is an object. That will come out of Rocky's wallet and if KD thinks "he is the one" then he can convince Rocky to pay him.

Could be. Who knows? I don't know if he's even the right type of coach at this stage of the Hawks' rebuild. Although KD did state that he'd prefer a coach that will stay the course as the team improves over time.

I just thought it was interesting that he's speaking to teams that are pretty much on the same plain as the Hawks right now.

I don't think money is an object. That will come out of Rocky's wallet and if KD thinks "he is the one" then he can convince Rocky to pay him.
- Rota's Rooter

Trotz is 59 years old. Even if a rebuild, I don't think the Hawks (supposed longer) timeline would coincide with his

If Dach turns into a legit two way 2C who can score 20+ goals and 60 or more pts and plays on both special teams, would you consider that a miss?

Not saying he will but I’m also willing to give a 21 yo more than a couple injury riddled seasons to find his game to see what he can become.
- HawkintheD

Pollyanna

[quote=Lauerg]


Trotz will be in Vegas

They weren’t too slow that third period, but maybe the Rags were sitting back trying to hold on, never a good strategy for an entire 3rd period.
- Angotti

Yeah but they got lucky win the OT goal...it is difficult to place one of these opponents as much better I think...

Huh...

EDM went with the 11F 7D arrangement, and it went about as well as could be expected.

Why do coaches keep doing this?

Hindsight being 20/20 I guess it worked since Russell only played about 5 minutes, but still.
- Chunk

basically because you have more confidence in your top minute forwards and you want to have seven to bruise the opponent.

Here is a possible scenario...
Not suggesting it happens, but you never know
Trotz hired in Chicago. King named one of his assistant coaches

Learn Trotz ways. Then incorporate into your way
- jhawk59[King]. In a couple years or so King could be ready to step back behind bench as head coach in the NHL. How much longer is Trotz going to coach anyway?

Longer than Q.