That was just to divert the media from the real, true plan.. Bringing back Lou as GM and Randy Carlyle as head coach...
- PatC80

Trust me on this, the Carlyle on a return trip is no Bueno…

Trust me on this, the Carlyle on a return trip is no Bueno…
- dozerD10

He was “just ok”

What I'm super interested to see is if the refs call the Cats / Bolts series in the same vein as Leafs or how it changes with regard to some of the issues that Leafs dealt with... that may or may not change my opinion on ref having an influence on Leaf series.

Back from the bullpoop ban. Can’t even have a friendly chirp on this website. Anyway told you all they would lose and they did. Eklund running this website like the nhl. I did enjoy the conversation on Saturday it was wonderful. As a flyer fan I can only hope the leafs panic and trade Marner . He and nylander were way more noticeable than Matthews and Tavares

I disagree that it's a mess.
- Aaron_85

You have to admit there are some key pieces missing. Key pieces that usually come at a sizeable expense. So how do they do it?
It is a little messy, or I should say I agree that it’s messy and a bit of a tough clean up.

You have to admit there are some key pieces missing. Key pieces that usually come at a sizeable expense. So how do they do it?
It is a little messy, or I should say I agree that it’s messy and a bit of a tough clean up.
- Woderwick

As of right now, they have no goalie. That, by itself, is a mess.

Mrazek is overpaid garbage and signed for 2 more years. Campbell is a UFA and frankly, not a Cup winning goalie in my eyes, even if they do keep him at a decent price.

The defense, outside of Rielly, is pretty weak and very little cap space to fix it.

And on top of it all, a coach that doesn't promote defensive play or a playoff style.

Back from the bullpoop ban. Can’t even have a friendly chirp on this website. Anyway told you all they would lose and they did. Eklund running this website like the nhl. I did enjoy the conversation on Saturday it was wonderful. As a flyer fan I can only hope the leafs panic and trade Marner . He and nylander were way more noticeable than Matthews and Tavares
- Keyser soze

You've been banned here before & by now must be aware of the fact that openly criticizing the moderating results in a ban. As does simply coming here to post trolling comments such as "I told you all they would lose and they did".

So now you can have another ban and maybe you will figure out how to come here and not get banned, or not totally your call.

If that's what is meant by 'run it back' (no changes to the core) then I'd also want clarity around what we are meaning by "The Core". I assume it to mean Matthews, Marner, JT, Willy and Reilly but I also want to know what specific change or changes people want to see.

I'm genuinely interested in that last piece more than anything.
- Cush29

Muzzin and brodie would be part of the core.
Every year every team does changes, leafs are no different.
But a big change, would require moving someone from the extended core or coach.

You've been banned here before & by now must be aware of the fact that openly criticizing the moderating results in a ban. As does simply coming here to post trolling comments such as "I told you all they would lose and they did".

So now you can have another ban and maybe you will figure out how to come here and not get banned, or not totally your call.
- Cush29

c'mon, he's a filthy Flyer fan ffs - you're setting the bar waaay too high

Muzzin and brodie would be part of the core.
Every year every team does changes, leafs are no different.
But a big change, would require moving someone from the extended core or coach.
- Fakepartofme

Wait so the core is now 7 players? See this is why I want to know what people mean when they say 'the core' but more importantly I want to know what change they want specifically when the post about the team being flawed and needing 'change'.

What change? Who stays and who goes? What is needed? What is not?

Yes I'm being demanding.

To me it's the difference between those who just say something sucks vs those who say something it's flawed or it isn't ideal/great or working but here is a suggestion that I feel would make it better and why it could or would make it better.

Personally I have all day to listen to those who bring solutions to problems, but pretty much zero time for those who just make blanket complaints that often lack any specifics at all or make it very difficult to figure out what the specifics are.

"They lost again, they suck and big changes are needed" type of statements tells me nothing other than someone is upset they lost (which I get and share in) but the back half of that just comes across as whining to me.

They lost and it really sucks, but to me it's possible to view it and accept the fact they lost a VERY CLOSE series to a better team vs having to single out a scape goat or 2 / 3 regardless of if it's coaching, goaltending or a specific forward or D or a combination of some of those. I'd rather hear suggestions on what they might need to do to become a team better than they are today, better than Tampa is today & I have seen some really interesting takes on that for sure.

Common thing I have seen is that many agree a big piece (like perhaps a Nylander) would have to move to allow them the cap flexibility and/or different set of players to better balance the team.

Just my observations and preferences.

Dubas doesn't sound super confident in bringing Campbell back

Neither do any of the well connected guys

Surely he would be cheaper and a better bet than his mid tier counterparts in FA or the trade market?

If they do not re up JC you would have to think they have their eyes set on a high tier goalie.

its (frank)ing brutal

hockey loves its "unsung heroes"

Sign David Bolland again so we can have a true "clutch" player
- Santo_44

You can't pay for that though, you gotta take a flyer on a league minimum veteran, see if he still has any juice left in the tank, or find them in the draft, or perhaps a cap casualty, maybe a tweener, AHL "grad" that needs a fresh start.

Wait so the core is now 7 players? See this is why I want to know what people mean when they say 'the core' but more importantly I want to know what change they want specifically when the post about the team being flawed and needing 'change'.

What change? Who stays and who goes? What is needed? What is not?

Yes I'm being demanding.

To me it's the difference between those who just say something sucks vs those who say something it's flawed or it isn't ideal/great or working but here is a suggestion that I feel would make it better and why it could or would make it better.

Personally I have all day to listen to those who bring solutions to problems, but pretty much zero time for those who just make blanket complaints that often lack any specifics at all or make it very difficult to figure out what the specifics are.

"They lost again, they suck and big changes are needed" type of statements tells me nothing other than someone is upset they lost (which I get and share in) but the back half of that just comes across as whining to me.

They lost and it really sucks, but to me it's possible to view it and accept the fact they lost a VERY CLOSE series to a better team vs having to single out a scape goat or 2 / 3 regardless of if it's coaching, goaltending or a specific forward or D or a combination of some of those. I'd rather hear suggestions on what they might need to do to become a team better than they are today, better than Tampa is today & I have seen some really interesting takes on that for sure.

Common thing I have seen is that many agree a big piece (like perhaps a Nylander) would have to move to allow them the cap flexibility and/or different set of players to better balance the team.

Just my observations and preferences.
- Cush29

Dubas said today the core extends beyond the 4.

if Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Campbell, Mrazek, Boosh are all gone is that considered a big change?

You can't pay for that though, you gotta take a flyer on a league minimum veteran, see if he still has any juice left in the tank, or find them in the draft, or perhaps a cap casualty, maybe a tweener, AHL "grad" that needs a fresh start.
- gravyface

So we need luck?

You can't pay for that though, you gotta take a flyer on a league minimum veteran, see if he still has any juice left in the tank, or find them in the draft, or perhaps a cap casualty, maybe a tweener, AHL "grad" that needs a fresh start.
- gravyface

So Letang?

Willyston Riellander
@nylanderthews
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3h
Chris Johnston on TSN1050 says that if Campbell leaves in free agency, the Leafs might look for the next version of him - a goalie who hasn't really broken out yet that might not cost a ton against the cap.
Willyston Riellander
@nylanderthews
·
1h
Elliotte Friedman on SN590 says he's not necessarily convinced Nylander will be the one moved this offseason. It could be, but we shouldn't be rushing to say it's 100% Nylander.

Adds in someone the Leafs may be looking at, but would have to clear out some space, is David Perron.


Also says Muzzin wants to be a Leaf and doesn't think that's an option until next season when his NMC lifts.

c'mon, he's a filthy Flyer fan ffs - you're setting the bar waaay too high
- 21peter

Cush is cool with us calling other posters “filthy” now.

Right on, very fair.

Cush is cool with us calling other posters “filthy” now.

Right on, very fair.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

It's the "Filthy Flyers" ffs.
Guess you haven't heard that one before eh

Keep trying to stir things up kiddo

Wait so the core is now 7 players? See this is why I want to know what people mean when they say 'the core' but more importantly I want to know what change they want specifically when the post about the team being flawed and needing 'change'.

What change? Who stays and who goes? What is needed? What is not?

Yes I'm being demanding.

To me it's the difference between those who just say something sucks vs those who say something it's flawed or it isn't ideal/great or working but here is a suggestion that I feel would make it better and why it could or would make it better.

Personally I have all day to listen to those who bring solutions to problems, but pretty much zero time for those who just make blanket complaints that often lack any specifics at all or make it very difficult to figure out what the specifics are.

"They lost again, they suck and big changes are needed" type of statements tells me nothing other than someone is upset they lost (which I get and share in) but the back half of that just comes across as whining to me.

They lost and it really sucks, but to me it's possible to view it and accept the fact they lost a VERY CLOSE series to a better team vs having to single out a scape goat or 2 / 3 regardless of if it's coaching, goaltending or a specific forward or D or a combination of some of those. I'd rather hear suggestions on what they might need to do to become a team better than they are today, better than Tampa is today & I have seen some really interesting takes on that for sure.

Common thing I have seen is that many agree a big piece (like perhaps a Nylander) would have to move to allow them the cap flexibility and/or different set of players to better balance the team.

Just my observations and preferences.
- Cush29

The core is Austin Matthews... that's it.. everyone is available for the right deal. Marner is next .. it would need to be a Makar level deal.

JT gets the "core" label because of his NMC if not for that he'd be gone so fast it would make your head spin.

Willy for Chychrun - my reasoning has been explained.

Kerfoot & Lily for Wilson - Wilson & AM would be like dealing with the Road Warriors, Animal & Hawk...

Goalie I don't know. Mrazek is going to cost to jettison and Soup wants his.. which the Leafs won't give him.

Pick and choose who to keep on the bottom 6 by preference.

It's the "Filthy Flyers" ffs.
Guess you haven't heard that one before eh

Keep trying to stir things up kiddo
- 21peter

I’ve never once heard that in my life.

It’s the “Pathetic loser Maple Leafs who never in in the first round, 1967, 4-1.”

Willyston Riellander
@nylanderthews
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3h
Chris Johnston on TSN1050 says that if Campbell leaves in free agency, the Leafs might look for the next version of him - a goalie who hasn't really broken out yet that might not cost a ton against the cap.
Willyston Riellander
@nylanderthews
·
1h
Elliotte Friedman on SN590 says he's not necessarily convinced Nylander will be the one moved this offseason. It could be, but we shouldn't be rushing to say it's 100% Nylander.

Adds in someone the Leafs may be looking at, but would have to clear out some space, is David Perron.


Also says Muzzin wants to be a Leaf and doesn't think that's an option until next season when his NMC lifts.
- Santo_44

So their sights NOT set on higher tier tender if JC walks, then??


Right.

Matthews is going to Anaheim?
- PatC80

Just like every Toronto kid signs with the Leafs

For me flush the bottom 3 and try to fill with big strong skating aggressive energy guys.
Trade Holl, Bunting and Kerfoot and try to fill in the 3rd line with some added scoring..I love Kerfoot but I think his time may have come.
Try to sign Forsberg. If you do trade Nylander to fill other holes.
Figure out a what players Tavares needs to play with because it isn't Nylander

This is a pipe dream imo. The cupboard is bare up front.

I agree with you re. Trotz. That move should have been made if he wanted it. But, nope, not even gonna investigate it. Gunna run it back!
- fifty__missions

How do you know they didn’t investigate Trotz?

The Raptors have one championship in their existence. One.

The just got bounced out of the playoffs in the first round.

The narrative that Masai is a genius who only creates winners and Dubas is a loser who only creates losers is hard to get behind for me. It becomes even more so when you consider all the variables such as 'what did each of them walk into as a GM that was left for them from the outgoing GM'.
- Cush29

They joined the NBA in 1995.

Dubas said today the core extends beyond the 4.

if Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Campbell, Mrazek, Boosh are all gone is that considered a big change?
- Santo_44

I'd consider that a positive change, except Campbell.