That's fair. But there will need to be assets involved, or salary retained. Or a buyout?
- fifty__missions

Perhaps. Or maybe not. Perhaps there's a team out there with cap space to burn who likes the prospect of two years of stability in net, a locked up vet on the cheap. Either way, I wouldn't say most NHL GM's are writing the book on Mrazek entirely based on one injury filled season.

Waaaaay too comfortable for everyone around the Leafs country club

That isn't how Masai conducts business at MLSE.

People should NOT be made to feel comfortable with this. Dubas just doesn't have the royal jelly. Not a winner.
- fifty__missions

The Raptors have one championship in their existence. One.

The just got bounced out of the playoffs in the first round.

The narrative that Masai is a genius who only creates winners and Dubas is a loser who only creates losers is hard to get behind for me. It becomes even more so when you consider all the variables such as 'what did each of them walk into as a GM that was left for them from the outgoing GM'.

The Raptors have one championship in their existence. One.

The just got bounced out of the playoffs in the first round.

The narrative that Masai is a genius who only creates winners and Dubas is a loser who only creates losers is hard to get behind for me. It becomes even more so when you consider all the variables such as 'what did each of them walk into as a GM that was left for them from the outgoing GM'.
- Cush29

Dubas runs what is supposed to be, one of the most prestigious teams in all of sports.
He has stood behind this core and has done nothing but fail.
5 years in a row.
We need change, not just tinkering.
IMO

I hate to break it to you but losing 3 of the last 4 games isn't a coin flip nor a tight series.
- bobbyisno1

You know the series was more than 4 games right?

It was a 7 game series. the final game decided by one goal. The total GF for the teams were within 1 I believe.

Tampa was gifted a bogus 2-man advantage that led to a goal. Game 7 had a goal called back on a pretty cheap call given the standards of the rest of the game and the playoffs in general.

It was incredibly close.

The Raptors have one championship in their existence. One.

The just got bounced out of the playoffs in the first round.

The narrative that Masai is a genius who only creates winners and Dubas is a loser who only creates losers is hard to get behind for me. It becomes even more so when you consider all the variables such as 'what did each of them walk into as a GM that was left for them from the outgoing GM'.
- Cush29

The Raptors also have had a huge disadvantage in that Toronto is a very hard sell to free agents.

Nashville going to trade the Leafs Saros, time to give askarov the net
- senstroll

😆

We wish
4 more years at 5m is quite the value

More like

Nylander and Holl
for
Granlund Askarov and P Myers

Dubas runs what is supposed to be, one of the most prestigious teams in all of sports.
He has stood behind this core and has done nothing but fail.
5 years in a row.
We need change, not just tinkering.
IMO
- .HOHO.

How does the fact he is the GM of a highly prestigious team factor into this at all?

What is the difference between tinkering and change? Does tinkering not involve any change?

What change is it they need to make? Core change? Great so what is that change, who goes and why?

The constant "we haven't got out of the 1st round in X years" argument is lazy in my opinion. It feels to me like it's just taking the crap the media keeps spewing because it's a nice headline and simply ignoring any progress the team has made but again whatever floats your boat, I don't subscribe.

The Raptors also have had a huge disadvantage in that Toronto is a very hard sell to free agents.
- Aetherial

I would argue as much as we love to think every player wants to come play here for the Leafs it's a tougher sell than we think when the other options are places with less taxes and far more freedom and immensly less media attention/pressure.

See - Stamkos, Steven.

😆

We wish
4 more years at 5m is quite the value

More like

Nylander and Holl
for
Granlund Askarov and P Myers
- mr.sir

it jack leaves, his RC will be back to $3 instead of $100

How does the fact he is the GM of a highly prestigious team factor into this at all?

What is the difference between tinkering and change? Does tinkering not involve any change?

What change is it they need to make? Core change? Great so what is that change, who goes and why?

The constant 'we haven't got out of the 1st round in X years" argument is lazy in my opinion. It feels to me like it's just taking the crap the media keeps spewing because it's a nice headline and simply ignoring any progress the team has made but again whatever floats your boat, I don't subscribe.
- Cush29

Change to the core is needed because there is no cap to address other needs. Nylander should be on the move to add a better goalie and depth.

Shanahan on Matthews: “We’d like to make him a Leaf forever.”
- PatC80

Suspect MM is in that same conversation.

Dubas runs what is supposed to be, one of the most prestigious teams in all of sports.
He has stood behind this core and has done nothing but fail.
5 years in a row.
We need change, not just tinkering.
IMO
- .HOHO.

But they make change every year and the change is clearly not accepted as change for some. So what exactly does this mean? Matthews or Marner?

Rah rah rah we want change! *makes changes*. That's just reshuffling the deck chairs!

It won't be Rielly, he just extended. It literally can't be Tavares.

Willie is too easy, he might be traded this summer anyways, all that does is leave you without 34 goals and a PPG player, is that the change were accepting?

Brodie? Muzzin? Change gets less significant from there.

Or are we not going to be accepting of any change unless it happens off the ice?

I'm not going to spend my entire summer telling people they're wrong about needing to get rid of Dubas but I will say I don't see how doing so wins them a cup next year. Any new GM is going to need time to rebrand the team with his vision, that's not an overnight thing.

Suspect MM is in that same conversation.
- Leafsmart

if I were less mature, Id make a Mitch trying to hijack the convo joke

but its too soon

More than almost anything else, the Leafs need a player EXACTLY like him. A guy who will do *anything* to win. We just don't have that. That's why we lose - continually.
- fifty__missions

But it was so close.

In your opinion - not everyone else's or certainly not mine.

Boston just got bounced in the 1st round, how did that happen with Marchand on the team?

I simply don't believe having Brad Marchand as a Leaf in this series vs Tampa would not have changed the narrative except perhaps lots of moaning and groaning about him taking another stupid penalty.

To me using a term like "do anything to win" doesn't excuse the terrible lack of sportsmanship and class that player brings to the ice more often than not & I would not want that associated with my team but different strokes.
- Cush29

Marchand with a Leaf jersey would be just fantastic, he'd finally get called for all those penalties and suspensions.

Gio is not going back to Calgary.
- TurdFergeson

They wanted him at the deadline and he was willing to go. They couldn't make the salary work. It's definitely a place he would go back to, especially since they are winning and if they offer more money than Toronto.

Change to the core is needed because there is no cap to address other needs. Nylander should be on the move to add a better goalie and depth.
- TurdFergeson

I don't disagree with that at all - I like Nylander as a player but agree they need more flexibility to get to a place where they can have a more balanced roster and he's probably the piece you have to move out to do so.

You know the series was more than 4 games right?

It was a 7 game series. the final game decided by one goal. The total GF for the teams were within 1 I believe.

Tampa was gifted a bogus 2-man advantage that led to a goal. Game 7 had a goal called back on a pretty cheap call given the standards of the rest of the game and the playoffs in general.

It was incredibly close.
- Aetherial

Don't remind me of that cheesey call in game 7. Panel during intermission said had to be called due to leading to a scoring chance...then I saw the same thing 3 more times in the game and went uncalled...

a lot of fans wanted the Leafs to give an honest effort and show that they care enough to put it all on the line. I think they did that.

Most fans can live with a loss if they feel the team gave it their all.

I dont need heads to roll, as long as they keep trying to improve. Shanny/Dubas I am satisfied with them.

also this. they do a lot of things every offseason.
its possible we have another goalie next season
- senstroll

They did that to the tune of 2 power plays with one shot on goal, Marner and Nylander 0 shots on goal all game. They sure left it all out there.

Marchand with a Leaf jersey would be just fantastic, he'd finally get called for all those penalties and suspensions.
- bobbyisno1

I honestly think he would receive longer suspensions if he was a Leaf because (and I fully admit this is quite possibly a biased view) I feel like the league (specifically the DOPS) treats the Leafs like a dad coaching this own kid. Rules are there for everyone and everyone gets some leeway except the coaches kid......can't let people say you are playing favourites.

Good god I just had a minor hockey / dad is my coach flashback. Seriously for those of you who coach your kids - treat them the same as all the other kids, alot of my minor hockey memories are me being frustrated at not being treated that way at all.

wings arent taking Mrazek back. they traded him away before, not because they had to but because of his poor attitude. They have Nedeljkovic in the mean time and would sign a stop gap until Cossa gets here.

They wanted him at the deadline and he was willing to go. They couldn't make the salary work. It's definitely a place he would go back to, especially since they are winning and if they offer more money than Toronto.
- Aaron_85

Ya but now the he is a Leaf would his Nonna let him go? That's the big question here!

Ya but now the he is a Leaf would his Nonna let him go? That's the big question here!



- Cush29

isn't he a UFA in a few weeks?

isn't he a UFA in a few weeks?
- Symba007

Nonna ain't got time for any of your silliness, he's a Toronto Maple Leaf in her eyes today, tomorrow, for ever!!!!!

But they make change every year and the change is clearly not accepted as change for some. So what exactly does this mean? Matthews or Marner?

Rah rah rah we want change! *makes changes*. That's just reshuffling the deck chairs!

It won't be Rielly, he just extended. It literally can't be Tavares.

Willie is too easy, he might be traded this summer anyways, all that does is leave you without 34 goals and a PPG player, is that the change were accepting?

Brodie? Muzzin? Change gets less significant from there.

Or are we not going to be accepting of any change unless it happens off the ice?

I'm not going to spend my entire summer telling people they're wrong about needing to get rid of Dubas but I will say I don't see how doing so wins them a cup next year. Any new GM is going to need time to rebrand the team with his vision, that's not an overnight thing.
- joel878

In recent history, Vegas moved on from McPhee as the GM and they have made moves to make moves and have only gotten worse in the process.