Thats the view right before you jump right?
- dothedougie

Guess that depends on the outcome of the prediction...always good to be prepared.

Gonna make the prediction...Bergy AND Krejci are back next year.
- bluemoon737

so on the radio they were talking about Krejci being pissed off at the amount of money they gave Hall, and thats why he left, and thats why he wont be back. I had never heard that before.

Guess that depends on the outcome of the prediction...always good to be prepared.
- bluemoon737

so on the radio they were talking about Krejci being pissed off at the amount of money they gave Hall, and thats why he left, and thats why he wont be back. I had never heard that before.
- 77emac77

Interesting. And here I thought he wanted a winger to play with. They must have offered him less than Hall. Oh well, not expecting Krejci back at all.

Is it next year already?

so on the radio they were talking about Krejci being pissed off at the amount of money they gave Hall, and thats why he left, and thats why he wont be back. I had never heard that before.
- 77emac77

That is disappointing to hear. Krejci did get paid quite well on his last contract and he was due for a dip in salary. Not sure what Don offered him. but it could have been insulting. Don seems to handle things poorly like that. Just like when he rubbed Chara the wrong way on his way out.

Good lord I hope he handles the Bergeron situation properly. He will probably offer #37 a lowball. Even tho he’s still worth exactly what he made last year.

That is disappointing to hear. Krejci did get paid quite well on his last contract and he was due for a dip in salary. Not sure what Don offered him. but it could have been insulting. Don seems to handle things poorly like that. Just like when he rubbed Chara the wrong way on his way out.

Good lord I hope he handles the Bergeron situation properly. He will probably offer #37 a lowball. Even tho he’s still worth exactly what he made last year.
- Tachmo

it was time for Chara to go, he showed that in his last two years. That, I was OK with, he wasnt insulting to Chara, he just said Bruins are no longer interested in an old slow player.

so on the radio they were talking about Krejci being pissed off at the amount of money they gave Hall, and thats why he left, and thats why he wont be back. I had never heard that before.
- 77emac77

This the same folks who said Bergeron was a shoo-in to sign with Montreal next season?

This the same folks who said Bergeron was a shoo-in to sign with Montreal next season?
- bluemoon737

seems like something Ty could look into if he were still around

it was time for Chara to go, he showed that in his last two years. That, I was OK with, he wasnt insulting to Chara, he just said Bruins are no longer interested in an old slow player.
- 77emac77

Bruins never even said "it was time to go".

He just wanted more minutes than Bruins were willing to give him. He was getting slower and it showed. So might have stayed in a lesser role if willing.

That is disappointing to hear. Krejci did get paid quite well on his last contract and he was due for a dip in salary. Not sure what Don offered him. but it could have been insulting. Don seems to handle things poorly like that. Just like when he rubbed Chara the wrong way on his way out.

Good lord I hope he handles the Bergeron situation properly. He will probably offer #37 a lowball. Even tho he’s still worth exactly what he made last year.
- Tachmo

I fully expect Sweeney to handle Bergeron with exactly as much care as Krejci, Rask and Chara.

Throw caution to the wind, and hope you get lucky with the situation or someone caves to your lowball offer.

Bruins never even said "it was time to go".

He just wanted more minutes than Bruins were willing to give him. He was getting slower and it showed. So might have stayed in a lesser role if willing.
- Nasty_Duck

I thought this was funny because he played a lesser role in washington, and for the Islanders so what was the point? He was slow, he should have played less and he did in both places he went after the Bruins. Oh well I guess

I fully expect Sweeney to handle Bergeron with exactly as much care as Krejci, Rask and Chara.

Throw caution to the wind, and hope you get lucky with the situation or someone caves to your lowball offer.
- dothedougie

Chara was given plenty of chances to win a last one with the Bruins. They told him he could stick around as a depth defensemen and he decided to go elsewhere to be a depth defensemen.

Rask was given every opportunity to come and steal back the crease. Didn't pan out the way he wanted.

If Krejci wanted to be back. He would have been back. Instead he went to go play in a lesser league with no pressure.

Chara was given plenty of chances to win a last one with the Bruins. They told him he could stick around as a depth defensemen and he decided to go elsewhere to be a depth defensemen.

Rask was given every opportunity to come and steal back the crease. Didn't pan out the way he wanted.

If Krejci wanted to be back. He would have been back. Instead he went to go play in a lesser league with no pressure.
- Mahewman

Sweeney mishandled the goalie situation, plain and simple. He got lucky he didnt have a crisis there. poopty asset management there.

Not giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He has been average at best, and his greatest accomplishments have been overshadowed by an inability to build a champion. Thats how im going to remember him. At the end of the day, Bruins are a first round exit, and players dont want to return to the team. That falls on the GM and management.

Sweeney mishandled the goalie situation, plain and simple. He got lucky he didnt have a crisis there. poopty asset management there.

Not giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He has been average at best, and his greatest accomplishments have been overshadowed by an inability to build a champion. Thats how im going to remember him. At the end of the day, Bruins are a first round exit, and players dont want to return to the team. That falls on the GM and management.
- dothedougie

Is is luck? They signed a goalie with a fear that Tuukka wouldn't be coming back. Tuukka wasn't ready after surgery so wouldn't that instead be the correct call? So the Crisis would be that Tuukka returned to form and Swayman had to spend the year in the AHL?

The crease is fine between Ullmark and Swayman.

Just a circle of criticism. Generally un-warranted. Team put up 107 points and brought one of the best teams in the league to game 7. Bounce or two and were playing tomorrow.

Sweeney mishandled the goalie situation, plain and simple. He got lucky he didnt have a crisis there. poopty asset management there.

Not giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He has been average at best, and his greatest accomplishments have been overshadowed by an inability to build a champion. Thats how im going to remember him. At the end of the day, Bruins are a first round exit, and players dont want to return to the team. That falls on the GM and management.
- dothedougie

I don't think that is an accurate assessment. Plenty of players want to come here and stay here. Granted there are other that do not, but that is true of pretty much any team. Other than guys that feel they have been "shafted", most are more than happy to stay here. Krejci has pretty legit reasons for not staying...he wanted to play in front of his family and wanted his kids to be exposed to his culture. Chara didn't want to accept a role that involved planned healthy scratches which is what was presented. He went to teams that said he would be an every game player...nobody offered him a first or second pairing, just that he would be a regular.

Heck, even Debrusk is changing his tune about wanting out.

Don't get me wrong, there have been plenty of questionable signings by Sweeney...not necessarily the player but the contract (Backes, Foligno to name two big ones). And the drafts have been below average as a whole.

Is is luck? They signed a goalie with a fear that Tuukka wouldn't be coming back. Tuukka wasn't ready after surgery so wouldn't that instead be the correct call? So the Crisis would be that Tuukka returned to form and Swayman had to spend the year in the AHL?

The crease is fine between Ullmark and Swayman.

Just a circle of criticism. Generally un-warranted. Team put up 107 points and brought one of the best teams in the league to game 7. Bounce or two and were playing tomorrow.
- Mahewman

If you know tuuka is coming back, why sign someone for 4 years? Why not just bring halak back and run with swayman/halak at a cheaper rate until Tuuka returns. Its a stupid call. They didnt expect him to come back. Sweeney got lucky it didnt work out, because then there would be a bigger mess.

Circle of criticism? I guess if the 107 points and a wildcard spot is good enough for ya then sure. Its great making the playoffs only to see the team fail because the vision of the team is one that hasn't changed or adapted at all since 2011. Its fun watching a team FLAT out play your team when it matters most.

Their series with carolina wasn't a game of bounces. They were outplayed. The speed difference was palpable. So I guess my question is, what is good enough? I want to see a champion, why cant they build one?

I don't think that is an accurate assessment. Plenty of players want to come here and stay here. Granted there are other that do not, but that is true of pretty much any team. Other than guys that feel they have been "shafted", most are more than happy to stay here. Krejci has pretty legit reasons for not staying...he wanted to play in front of his family and wanted his kids to be exposed to his culture. Chara didn't want to accept a role that involved planned healthy scratches which is what was presented. He went to teams that said he would be an every game player...nobody offered him a first or second pairing, just that he would be a regular.

Heck, even Debrusk is changing his tune about wanting out.

Don't get me wrong, there have been plenty of questionable signings by Sweeney...not necessarily the player but the contract (Backes, Foligno to name two big ones). And the drafts have been below average as a whole.
- bluemoon737

I take your point about the disgruntled players. It is alarming when different young players are requesting trades as well as players getting pissed off about contract and minute situations. If it was just a couple instances i would chalk it up to a player issue, but it seems like it has been more than that since the blunder of the 2015 draft. I digress that point though.

Overarching theme here, I think some give Sweeney way too much credit for having a body of work that averages out to be mediocre when all added up.

If you know tuuka is coming back, why sign someone for 4 years? Why not just bring halak back and run with swayman/halak at a cheaper rate until Tuuka returns. Its a stupid call. They didnt expect him to come back. Sweeney got lucky it didnt work out, because then there would be a bigger mess.

Circle of criticism? I guess if the 107 points and a wildcard spot is good enough for ya then sure. Its great making the playoffs only to see the team fail because the vision of the team is one that hasn't changed or adapted at all since 2011. Its fun watching a team FLAT out play your team when it matters most.

Their series with carolina wasn't a game of bounces. They were outplayed. The speed difference was palpable. So I guess my question is, what is good enough? I want to see a champion, why cant they build one?
- dothedougie

Come on now. We clearly outplayed them at home and they did the same. They had home ice and even with that game 7 was close with clear bounces not going the Bs way (Freddy's post, Coyle wiffing on the open net to name a couple).

Come on now. We clearly outplayed them at home and they did the same. They had home ice and even with that game 7 was close with clear bounces not going the Bs way (Freddy's post, Coyle wiffing on the open net to name a couple).
- bluemoon737

Ulmark has yet to win a post-season game. That signing was just horrible.

And who can we lay the Coyle contract on? he hasnt earned even half his cap-hit.

Sweeney mishandled the goalie situation, plain and simple. He got lucky he didnt have a crisis there. poopty asset management there.

Not giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He has been average at best, and his greatest accomplishments have been overshadowed by an inability to build a champion. Thats how im going to remember him. At the end of the day, Bruins are a first round exit, and players dont want to return to the team. That falls on the GM and management.
- dothedougie

THIS! Should have kept Vladar and Swayman as the tandem, in a salary cap league having 2 NHL capable goalies on the cheap is a godsend. Ulmark might the the ultimate backup, but you dont pay a backup 5 mil.

THIS! Should have kept Vladar and Swayman as the tandem, in a salary cap league having 2 NHL capable goalies on the cheap is a godsend. Ulmark might the the ultimate backup, but you dont pay a backup 5 mil.
- 77emac77

Really? You wanted the Bruins to enter the season with two unproven rookie goalies and the hope Rask "might" make it back sometime during the season? No GM on the planet is taking that gamble. Not a fan of the Ullmark contract, but still.

I think what is missing from the criticism here is what had made the Bruins a legit competitor for so long, defense and center depth.

After Bergeron goes you have Coyle. Erik Haula is a Utility player and not a real top 6 center. Sweeney has had 6 years to prepare for Bergeron and Krejci's retirements. Studnicka is a bust and Frederic was a reach.

Defense. While Zboril looks promising a 3rd pair guy, you are still missing 2 of 4. The Lindholm deal was a good move. Again, the drafting here is coming back to haunt him. Gryzelck are Carlo are not championship caliber defenseman. We've watched those in the recent past and we know what that actually looks like. These 2 are mediocre at best, have hit their celling, and are simply not good enough to compete in the east or even in the division.

What Sweeney has done right has swung some good trades and does even better with the contracts. Not all are winners (Rinaldo) but there are a lot moves he's made had they worked (Nash, Kase), things would be looking different.

Ultimately Sweeney should lose his job (he won't but humor me) for his poor drafting. Whether it is this year or next with Bergeron the bad drafting is really started to become an issue. You have goalies, you have 2 of 4 defenders but nothing down the middle. Now go compare with everyone on the east not named Ottawa, Buffalo, & Montreal and see how that stacks up.

I think what is missing from the criticism here is what had made the Bruins a legit competitor for so long, defense and center depth.

After Bergeron goes you have Coyle. Erik Haula is a Utility player and not a real top 6 center. Sweeney has had 6 years to prepare for Bergeron and Krejci's retirements. Studnicka is a bust and Frederic was a reach.

Defense. While Zboril looks promising a 3rd pair guy, you are still missing 2 of 4. The Lindholm deal was a good move. Again, the drafting here is coming back to haunt him. Gryzelck are Carlo are not championship caliber defenseman. We've watched those in the recent past and we know what that actually looks like. These 2 are mediocre at best, have hit their celling, and are simply not good enough to compete in the east or even in the division.

What Sweeney has done right has swung some good trades and does even better with the contracts. Not all are winners (Rinaldo) but there are a lot moves he's made had they worked (Nash, Kase), things would be looking different.

Ultimately Sweeney should lose his job (he won't but humor me) for his poor drafting. Whether it is this year or next with Bergeron the bad drafting is really started to become an issue. You have goalies, you have 2 of 4 defenders but nothing down the middle. Now go compare with everyone on the east not named Ottawa, Buffalo, & Montreal and see how that stacks up.
- glove_was_stuck

Without Bergeron, I'm going out on Bluemoons limb and stating the Bruins could have arguably the worst C-group in the east - including Ott, Buff and Mon.

Without Bergeron, I'm going out on Bluemoons limb and stating the Bruins could have arguably the worst C-group in the east - including Ott, Buff and Mon.
- Nasty_Duck

You're making my point.

Really? You wanted the Bruins to enter the season with two unproven rookie goalies and the hope Rask "might" make it back sometime during the season? No GM on the planet is taking that gamble. Not a fan of the Ullmark contract, but still.
- bluemoon737

I would have preferred two untested goalies than Ullmark for 4 years. yes