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Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL
Joined: 09.16.2017

May 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
I hope they don't trade up. I'm no prospect expert, but doesn't sound like there is a lot of difference in the top 5 guys.
- bradster


I agree, an argument can be made that there’s not a lot of difference in the top 8 or 10. The ordder keeps changing. If they could get a decent asset I’d ike to see them move back 4-5 spots and take Lekkerimaki
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
So teams can hire a HC with one currently signed?

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They absolutely can.

omg.

TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

May 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
Deboer fired from Vegas. Another candidate for us
- arichardson22

Please no, he's like the Doc Rivers of the NHL
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 16 @ 1:32 PM ET
They absolutely can.

omg.

- hello it's me 2050


No you cant....... No team in the NHL has two head coaches. A team has one head coach. If you plan to get a new guy, you fire the current one.

Hence why PHI, DET, WPG and VGK currently do not have a head coach. Some more teams could decide to fire guys but until they do Trotz is looking at whats available now and ranking the teams. He will likely wait over the course of the playoffs to see if any other options become available. Other teams may decide to fire coaches but nothing is guaranteed. The guaranteed firings happen immediately after the season ends. Not after the 1st round of playoffs
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 16 @ 1:36 PM ET
Ugh, My playoff Bracket was perfect until the last 3 games. Stupid Oilers and Rangers had to win.

So much for that Pens long run Stayin Alive

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So much for jarry out whole series minus one game and sid out game 6 πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Obviously that changed EVERYTHING
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 16 @ 1:45 PM ET
So much for jarry out whole series minus one game and sid out game 6 πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Obviously that changed EVERYTHING

- Stayin alive


It doesnt change anything. Every game the Pens lost they choked repeatedly with a 2-3 goal lead. They won 3 games without Jarry and if you cant win because you lost one player in Game 5 you arent a good team
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 16 @ 2:19 PM ET
All these teams remaining in the playoffs have at least 3 players better than anyone the Flyers have. Shows you how far the Flyers are away from being competitive, let alone a contender.

These teams have dynamic studs up and down the lineup. Where are the Flyers getting players like this?
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

May 16 @ 2:25 PM ET
https://twitter.com/grant...ihAwSTqBtxTPwMkbO34A&s=19
Whoever mentioned this earlier, nice job. Shane Wright @ 5 possible?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 16 @ 2:32 PM ET
No you cant....... No team in the NHL has two head coaches. A team has one head coach. If you plan to get a new guy, you fire the current one.

Hence why PHI, DET, WPG and VGK currently do not have a head coach. Some more teams could decide to fire guys but until they do Trotz is looking at whats available now and ranking the teams. He will likely wait over the course of the playoffs to see if any other options become available. Other teams may decide to fire coaches but nothing is guaranteed. The guaranteed firings happen immediately after the season ends. Not after the 1st round of playoffs

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There is no rule that says you cant hire another coach while you still have one employed. none.

They can then fire or re-assign the current coach. Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't.

1. Do you think Trotz ( or other candidates) are not working or have worked back door channels to see what might be available?

2. Do you think he has an idea what might be open after the playoffs?
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 16 @ 2:46 PM ET
https://twitter.com/grantmccagg/status/1526263931542593541?t=4vihAwSTqBtxTPwMkbO34A&s=19
Whoever mentioned this earlier, nice job. Shane Wright @ 5 possible?

- Trox88


Roll out the "he's the consensus #1", lol
Consensus #1 according to the media, scouts often don't see eye to eye with the media. Nolan Patrick is a perfect example of that. Was media consensus #1, then jersey passed, and Flyers scouts wanted to pass on Patrick.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

May 16 @ 2:49 PM ET
Roll out the "he's the consensus #1", lol
Consensus #1 according to the media, scouts often don't see eye to eye with the media. Nolan Patrick is a perfect example of that. Was media consensus #1, then jersey passed, and Flyers scouts wanted to pass on Patrick.

- bradster


Oh Jesus. You started the snowball again.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 16 @ 2:51 PM ET
Oh Jesus. You started the snowball again.
- Peter Richards

HAHAHAHA, i couldn't resist. Those damn Hextall defenders lol
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

May 16 @ 2:52 PM ET
Roll out the "he's the consensus #1", lol
Consensus #1 according to the media, scouts often don't see eye to eye with the media. Nolan Patrick is a perfect example of that. Was media consensus #1,
then jersey passed, and Flyers scouts wanted to pass on Patrick.

- bradster


This is very interesting to say the least. I would assume Cooley would be the other option. In the Patrick draft, it was assumed Hischier could over take him, but really no mention of another prospect for 1st overall. Flyers have a chance to get a really good prospect. I would be thrilled if Nemec or Slafkovsky slid to 5.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 16 @ 2:55 PM ET
This is very interesting to say the least. I would assume Cooley would be the other option. In the Patrick draft, it was assumed Hischier could over take him, but really no mention of another prospect for 1st overall. Flyers have a chance to get a really good prospect. I would be thrilled if Nemec or Slafkovsky slid to 5.
- Trox88


From what i have read about these prospects, i am fine with anyone in the top 5. Or if they take a chance on someone else. I hope they know what they are doing, because we cant screw this up.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 16 @ 2:55 PM ET
It doesnt change anything. Every game the Pens lost they choked repeatedly with a 2-3 goal lead. They won 3 games without Jarry and if you cant win because you lost one player in Game 5 you arent a good team
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

pens choked it away, but it is a little disingenuous to say it doesnt change ANYTHING.

xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 16 @ 2:58 PM ET
There is no rule that says you cant hire another coach while you still have one employed. none.

They can then fire or re-assign the current coach. Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't.

1. Do you think Trotz ( or other candidates) are not working or have worked back door channels to see what might be available?

2. Do you think he has an idea what might be open after the playoffs?

- hello it's me 2050


No GM is speaking and looking for a coach while they are in the playoffs. Playoffs are 100% the focus. Trotz may wait until after playoffs to see what happens but it is unlikely any coaches will be fired from a team that wasnt outed in the 1st round.

Toronto for example is just as likely to keep Keefe as firing him. It could go either way. Frankly despite the loss, that was the best game 7 they played in 5 years. Coaching in the NHL is not the same as a regular job. Teams are not interviewing behind the scenes and knowing they got a guy before letting the current one go. They fire the current coiach then start looking.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

May 16 @ 2:59 PM ET
From what i have read about these prospects, i am fine with anyone in the top 5. Or if they take a chance on someone else. I hope they know what they are doing, because we cant screw this up.
- bradster


Yup, better to be lucky then good with this draft. I don't want to see them trade down that is for sure.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 16 @ 3:00 PM ET
pens choked it away, but it is a little disingenuous to say it doesnt change ANYTHING.
- stayinthefnnet


Yea it hurts but a team is more than one player. The team has won without Crosby Consistently. Hell they did it without both Malkin and Crosby. The fact is that series was winnable without Jarry and without Crosby
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 16 @ 3:01 PM ET
No GM is speaking and looking for a coach while they are in the playoffs. Playoffs are 100% the focus. Trotz may wait until after playoffs to see what happens but it is unlikely any coaches will be fired from a team that wasnt outed in the 1st round.

Toronto for example is just as likely to keep Keefe as firing him. It could go either way. Frankly despite the loss, that was the best game 7 they played in 5 years. Coaching in the NHL is not the same as a regular job. Teams are not interviewing behind the scenes and knowing they got a guy before letting the current one go. They fire the current coiach then start looking.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You are very naΓ―ve.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

May 16 @ 3:04 PM ET
This is very interesting to say the least. I would assume Cooley would be the other option. In the Patrick draft, it was assumed Hischier could over take him, but really no mention of another prospect for 1st overall. Flyers have a chance to get a really good prospect. I would be thrilled if Nemec or Slafkovsky slid to 5.
- Trox88


Too bad we can’t take Jay O’Brien again. And at 5! What a bargain!
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 16 @ 3:07 PM ET
Yea it hurts but a team is more than one player. The team has won without Crosby Consistently. Hell they did it without both Malkin and Crosby. The fact is that series was winnable without Jarry and without Crosby
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

so winnable. and I wont try to twist it into they deserved to win it, because they didnt. part of the game is being healthy. but it cant just be swept under the rug as if it bore no consequence on the outcome
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

May 16 @ 3:08 PM ET
No GM is speaking and looking for a coach while they are in the playoffs. Playoffs are 100% the focus. Trotz may wait until after playoffs to see what happens but it is unlikely any coaches will be fired from a team that wasnt outed in the 1st round.

Toronto for example is just as likely to keep Keefe as firing him. It could go either way. Frankly despite the loss, that was the best game 7 they played in 5 years. Coaching in the NHL is not the same as a regular job. Teams are not interviewing behind the scenes and knowing they got a guy before letting the current one go. They fire the current coiach then start looking.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Doesn't sound like Lou did that: https://nypost.com/2022/0...islanders-new-head-coach/
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 16 @ 4:01 PM ET
The Adam Ginning era is set to begin..
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 16 @ 4:02 PM ET
lets sign PDB and suck for a decade
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 16 @ 4:20 PM ET
You are high.

Tampa stole the series from Toronto, they had no business winning that series. Toronto controlled the play for most the series. Tampa looks gassed, combine that with Point who looked like tore something in his leg they way it bent in Game 7, I would expect is done for playoffs and Kucherov who seems like hes playing through something.

Tampa is not likely to win the series.

Rangers struggled to beat a Pens team using a 3rd string Goalie. Neither the Pens or Rangers are contenders. Canes should be able to win the series as long as Raanta is healthy or they get Andersen back

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yup
FWIW, I'm guessing:
Canes over Rags in 6
Panthers over TB in 6
UPSET PICK-Blues over Avs in 7
Flames over Oilers in 6

CONF FINALS
Florida over Canes in 7
Flames over Blues in 7

SCF: Florida over Calgary in 6
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