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May 10 @ 11:06 AM ET
Game 2, the leafs werent the better team either. Its been back and forth.
What worries me is we've seen Campbell stand on his head, we have yet to see Vasi stand on his and shut things down.
I worry that game is coming.....and I fear it may occur during a game the leafs are dominating Tampa....but Tampa wins 1 or 2- 0.
We'll see. - Fakepartofme
that's what worries me the most, we haven't seen the best version of Vasilevskiy just yet.. If Tampa wins tonight, we'll se that in Game 6.. Game 6, Leafs will lose 1-0 but out shoot Tampa 47-26
Who the (frank) knows? They bounced back when they got slapped around in game 2. They’re a good team. Tampa is a good team. When they’re on, they can beat TBL. I think they’ll be on, tonight. - Canada Cup
I'm good with them being on! From the puck drop. Until the OT winner. Looking for our depth forwards to be significant tonight. 3 more balanced lines, hopefully more 5 on 5 time and the power kill.
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May 10 @ 11:07 AM ET
Holy crap, some of you guys are downers.
Tampa sucked in games 1 and 3. Toronto sucked in game 4.
Powerplays by game:
1: Tor 6, TB 5
2: TB 7, Tor 4
3: Tor 5, TB 3
4: TB 8, Tor 3
In the two games Tampa has won, the officiating has been heavily lop-sided. In a game where they bullpoop us constantly about game management and parity, you rarely see a special teams sway of more than 2.
In the cases where you have those special team sways in excess of 2, the team with the benefit has won them all.
Did the Leafs deserve to lose Game 4? Definitely. I felt game 2 was more managed - every time the momentum swung, some penalty was called.
They'll have to play through it, obviously, but I'm not giving up the ghost when the Leafs are tied 2-2 with the 2x Stanley Cup Champs and still holding home ice. - Monkeypunk
One thing I would like to see is stats showing penalties when the game is already out of hand, say more than 3 goal margin.
Tampa got a lot of penalties game 1 when they started gooning it up. It makes it look "fair".
Reminds me of a Boston series a couple years ago. Leafs come out and dominate one of the games, fail to score, then Boston gets 3 PP cheapie's in a row, takes the lead and the momentum, game over.
that's what worries me the most, we haven't seen the best version of Vasilevskiy just yet.. If Tampa wins tonight, we'll se that in Game 6.. Game 6, Leafs will lose 1-0 but out shoot Tampa 47-26 - PatC80
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May 10 @ 11:09 AM ET
Holy crap, some of you guys are downers.
Tampa sucked in games 1 and 3. Toronto sucked in game 4.
Powerplays by game:
1: Tor 6, TB 5
2: TB 7, Tor 4
3: Tor 5, TB 3
4: TB 8, Tor 3
In the two games Tampa has won, the officiating has been heavily lop-sided. In a game where they bullpoop us constantly about game management and parity, you rarely see a special teams sway of more than 2.
In the cases where you have those special team sways in excess of 2, the team with the benefit has won them all.
Did the Leafs deserve to lose Game 4? Definitely. I felt game 2 was more managed - every time the momentum swung, some penalty was called.
They'll have to play through it, obviously, but I'm not giving up the ghost when the Leafs are tied 2-2 with the 2x Stanley Cup Champs and still holding home ice. - Monkeypunk
Not being a downer but if the refs/league sway the calls in Tampa's favour for a third time, it will be hard to overcome.. So far it seems like the refs are trying hard to keep Tampa in the series.. Maybe, it'll be another game of soft calls against Toronto only.
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May 10 @ 11:09 AM ET
that's what worries me the most, we haven't seen the best version of Vasilevskiy just yet.. If Tampa wins tonight, we'll se that in Game 6.. Game 6, Leafs will lose 1-0 but out shoot Tampa 47-26 - PatC80
Yup I can definitely see that happening.
Leafs not taking advantage of Vasi underperforming.
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May 10 @ 11:10 AM ET
I'm good with them being on! From the puck drop. Until the OT winner. Looking for our depth forwards to be significant tonight. 3 more balanced lines, hopefully more 5 on 5 time and the power kill. - Drapz
our depth forwards???
Matthews has done almost nothing since game 1.
Nylander has done nothing except a couple goals in garbage time.
Tavares has done nothing at all.
That is half our vaunted top-6.
Also this is not new. Last year I posted stats of all the best players in the league with any significant playoff experience, their regular season vs post-season production.
Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares were all near the bottom. People didn't like it, but numbers are numbers. None of them has proven to be a good playoff performer.
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
May 10 @ 11:12 AM ET
our depth forwards???
Matthews has done almost nothing since game 1.
Nylander has done nothing except a couple goals in garbage time.
Tavares has done nothing at all.
That is half our vaunted top-6.
Also this is not new. Last year I posted stats of all the best players in the league with any significant playoff experience, their regular season vs post-season production.
Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares were all near the bottom. People didn't like it, but numbers are numbers. None of them has proven to be a good playoff performer. - Aetherial
to be fair to Matthews and Marner, they both have 6 points in 4 games so far.. It's the second line that has been non-existant.
We need more from the JT Line.. Nylander's got to be better too
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May 10 @ 11:17 AM ET
our depth forwards???
Matthews has done almost nothing since game 1.
Nylander has done nothing except a couple goals in garbage time.
Tavares has done nothing at all.
That is half our vaunted top-6.
Also this is not new. Last year I posted stats of all the best players in the league with any significant playoff experience, their regular season vs post-season production.
Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares were all near the bottom. People didn't like it, but numbers are numbers. None of them has proven to be a good playoff performer. - Aetherial
So hopefully they are due for a big game or three.
Both Marner and Matthews have 6pts in 4 games. Not bad. But the past two games Matthews has not played up to the level of expectation he has set.
Outside of the two "garbage time goals", playoff performer Willie has been invisible.
JT has 2pts....but has played well without the puck however, he needs to provide more offense for sure. But not to the same standard as AM and MM
Matthews has done almost nothing since game 1.
Nylander has done nothing except a couple goals in garbage time.
Tavares has done nothing at all.
That is half our vaunted top-6.
Also this is not new. Last year I posted stats of all the best players in the league with any significant playoff experience, their regular season vs post-season production.
Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares were all near the bottom. People didn't like it, but numbers are numbers. None of them has proven to be a good playoff performer. - Aetherial
Kucharov and Stamkos are a combined -7 and 2 goals are you kidding when you say the guys that play these guys have done nothing?
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May 10 @ 11:20 AM ET
to be fair to Matthews and Marner, they both have 6 points in 4 games so far.. It's the second line that has been non-existant.
We need more from the JT Line.. Nylander's got to be better too - PatC80
To be even more fair(?), half of their points were in the first game and they've only scored 1 goal since between them. Lest we forget that Tampa looked like absolute dogpoop in Game 1 and have rebounded the past 3 games (Leafs hung on in Game 3).
But yes, I would argue that the Leafs 2nd line has been the worst line through 4 games so far.
Time for the narrative to change tonight. With Cirelli's line off of AM34's back we're going to see the top line breakthrough, amirite?
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May 10 @ 11:22 AM ET
our depth forwards???
Matthews has done almost nothing since game 1.
Nylander has done nothing except a couple goals in garbage time.
Tavares has done nothing at all.
That is half our vaunted top-6.
Also this is not new. Last year I posted stats of all the best players in the league with any significant playoff experience, their regular season vs post-season production.
Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares were all near the bottom. People didn't like it, but numbers are numbers. None of them has proven to be a good playoff performer. - Aetherial
Matthews and Marner have 6pts in 4 games. The only game they didn't get a point in was game 4 for Marner and game 3 for Matthews. Like it or not, Victor Hedman is probably the best shut down defenseman in the league being big, smart and mobile. He is a perennial Norris trophy winner or nominee for a reason. He has shut down the league's best for years. What sets the league's best apart from the others is that sometimes they break through, wear them down, or get a break against them. But it's uncommon.
Where we can agree is that Tavares has been garbage for most of the series - and I'll get poop on for saying it because apparently he's good at faceoffs and intangibles. But tangibly, the guy has been poor most of the season and it's not because he has had to cover for Nylander. He's just been poor. He is capable of more and not bringing it.
Ideally that play last game - that really sweet pass to Nylander - stirs something in him and we see JT emerge. This guy is 31 but his play feels like he's 35. He has a lot left to give.
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May 10 @ 11:23 AM ET
To be even more fair(?), half of their points were in the first game and they've only scored 1 goal since between them. Lest we forget that Tampa looked like absolute dogpoop in Game 1 and have rebounded the past 3 games (Leafs hung on in Game 3).
But yes, I would argue that the Leafs 2nd line has been the worst line through 4 games so far.
Time for the narrative to change tonight. With Cirelli's line off of AM34's back we're going to see the top line breakthrough, amirite?
- mjones242
To be even more fair about being fair, they had 5 points at home when they got the matchups they wanted, and 1 point each on the road when they didn't.
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May 10 @ 11:29 AM ET
Matthews and Marner have 6pts in 4 games. The only game they didn't get a point in was game 4 for Marner and game 3 for Matthews. Like it or not, Victor Hedman is probably the best shut down defenseman in the league being big, smart and mobile. He is a perennial Norris trophy winner or nominee for a reason. He has shut down the league's best for years. What sets the league's best apart from the others is that sometimes they break through, wear them down, or get a break against them. But it's uncommon.
Where we can agree is that Tavares has been garbage for most of the series - and I'll get poop on for saying it because apparently he's good at faceoffs and intangibles. But tangibly, the guy has been poor most of the season and it's not because he has had to cover for Nylander. He's just been poor. He is capable of more and not bringing it.
Ideally that play last game - that really sweet pass to Nylander - stirs something in him and we see JT emerge. This guy is 31 but his play feels like he's 35. He has a lot left to give. - Monkeypunk
The thing I hate most about Tavares' play is comparing it to what Marchand still does, at his age. You are right, Tavares looks OOLLLDDD out there.
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May 10 @ 11:29 AM ET
To be even more fair about being fair, they had 5 points at home when they got the matchups they wanted, and 1 point each on the road when they didn't.
Tonight they are at home. - Monkeypunk
No doubt that Matthews and Marner need to be offensive catalysts... Just need the 2nd line to produce..
I can't figure out what it is with them in the playoffs.. It's like the core 4 can't all play at a high level at the same time..
I am hoping that this is Tavares' breakout game of the series
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May 10 @ 11:32 AM ET
To be even more fair about being fair, they had 5 points at home when they got the matchups they wanted, and 1 point each on the road when they didn't.
Tonight they are at home. - Monkeypunk
Gotta score on the road as well. They are the stars, they need to be consistent in order for this leafs team to go anywhere.
Matthews and Marner have 6pts in 4 games. The only game they didn't get a point in was game 4 for Marner and game 3 for Matthews. Like it or not, Victor Hedman is probably the best shut down defenseman in the league being big, smart and mobile. He is a perennial Norris trophy winner or nominee for a reason. He has shut down the league's best for years. What sets the league's best apart from the others is that sometimes they break through, wear them down, or get a break against them. But it's uncommon.
Where we can agree is that Tavares has been garbage for most of the series - and I'll get poop on for saying it because apparently he's good at faceoffs and intangibles. But tangibly, the guy has been poor most of the season and it's not because he has had to cover for Nylander. He's just been poor. He is capable of more and not bringing it.
Ideally that play last game - that really sweet pass to Nylander - stirs something in him and we see JT emerge. This guy is 31 but his play feels like he's 35. He has a lot left to give. - Monkeypunk
Marner has been the best player in this series. His stats are despite his PK time.
