wcorvette Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers
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May 6 @ 6:34 PM ET
The bar isnt low. Being competitive next season is a step forward. Cant expect our young players to become superstars overnight. It is unrealistic to believe every one of those players will develop at the same pace and where we need them to be in just 1 year too.
Before this team even thinks of contending we need to know we can rely on Provorov, Ellis(to a certain extent), Sanheim, Farabee and Hart. These are the biggest pieces on this team that are question marks.
They make or break our team - xShoot4WarAmpsx
If CF takes the path that the article laid out, the Flyers have better luck with injuries and they can add an impact player on a reasonable contract, then yes, they can take a step forward. CF would have to keep picks and the right prospects. CF mentions getting younger, while building, we will see. It is a small needle to thread
If CF takes the path that the article laid out, the Flyers have better luck with injuries and they can add an impact player on a reasonable contract, then yes, they can take a step forward. CF would have to keep picks and the right prospects. CF mentions getting younger, while building, we will see. It is a small needle to thread - wcorvette
He also stated they need to be aggressive in trades and free agency. I think we'll continue to see what we have been seeing. That they don't have a true plan. A true course. Just wing it every season. With no clear vision.
If CF takes the path that the article laid out, the Flyers have better luck with injuries and they can add an impact player on a reasonable contract, then yes, they can take a step forward. CF would have to keep picks and the right prospects. CF mentions getting younger, while building, we will see. It is a small needle to thread - wcorvette
A big part of the problem is surrounding said prospects and who Fletcher has entrusted their development to. For all intents and purposes, Lappy is a nice guy, friendly etc...but it's not the time to let him cut his teeth in a hc role, when your organization needs to hit on your high end talent. On a previous thread this topic came up and Bill mentioned/confirmed that Lappy has an affinity to players that mirrored his game, and didn't mesh as well with players like York, Frost etc. This organization NEEDS more Frost, York types....not a farm team that's a factory specializing in bottom 6 NHL players.
Yes, he deserves some credit for his past and he's been praised for Hodgson, so kudos to him for that.....but this organization needs more. Especially right now.
I could be wrong, but wasn't the story that originally a big reason Lappy got the HC gig was to better prepare players for AV? Given he was on his staff the previous years, he'd implement AV's system and be a direct line to the big club's staff....It seems with such changes to the coaching staff that are ahead, the Phantoms staff must be re-evaluated/changed too
wcorvette Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers
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May 6 @ 8:43 PM ET
He also stated they need to be aggressive in trades and free agency. I think we'll continue to see what we have been seeing. That they don't have a true plan. A true course. Just wing it every season. With no clear vision. - MJL
I am more hopeful than that but it is prove it time. I said the other day I am ok with CF having one more kick at it, but that kick is the off-season. Cf did ok when he brought in Braun and Nisk, then over did it with ghost and RR, what will be next
I am more hopeful than that but it is prove it time. I said the other day I am ok with CF having one more kick at it, but that kick is the off-season. Cf did ok when he brought in Braun and Nisk, then over did it with ghost and RR, what will be next - wcorvette
I wish I could be hopeful. Not sure what hopeful could be based unless it was just choosing to be hopeful. Which is okay. With Fletcher, good moves are the outliers.
If you're looking for and will be satisfied with being competitive next season, you've set a low bar. It's also not holding this franchise and Fletcher accountable. If they have good health and they aren't a contender, then Fletcher has failed and should be fired. He should be fired already but that doesn't appear to be happening. - MJL
What are you expecting next season to be? You cant turn this team into a contender overnight. I dont know what you expect next season to be. At best we could make the playoffs. Other than that is middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel.
I wouldnt mind bottom of the Barrel for Bedard but thats not a guarantee. Luck has not been on the Flyers side in the draft, aka Patrick Kane, Sam Morin and Nolan Patrick.
We are more likely to finish last and lose the lottery
wcorvette Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers
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May 6 @ 9:03 PM ET
I wish I could be hopeful. Not sure what hopeful could be based unless it was just choosing to be hopeful. Which is okay. With Fletcher, good moves are the outliers. - MJL
Yup that is all we have. I am hopeful with the pure number of prospects coming, we will have some good news and a couple of surprises. I don’t mind trading some but cf getting it right is another story
What are you expecting next season to be? You cant turn this team into a contender overnight. I dont know what you expect next season to be. At best we could make the playoffs. Other than that is middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel.
I wouldnt mind bottom of the Barrel for Bedard but thats not a guarantee. Luck has not been on the Flyers side in the draft, aka Patrick Kane, Sam Morin and Nolan Patrick.
We are more likely to finish last and lose the lottery - xShoot4WarAmpsx
When the team decided to fire Hextall, abandon a patient draft and develop approach and wanted an action bias GM. Traded youth and top picks to win now. They need to win now and reach contender status. They no longer get a grace period or time to reach that level. It became put up time. Fletcher has failed to this point. Same for next year. Anything short of reaching contender status is unacceptable with the approach the team has taken.
The BIG MAN and most DOMINANT athlete in Philly since Lindros returns to show the NBA that he is the undeniable MVP
#EMBEAST
#EMBIIVD - THE BLACK HAND
Truly amazing that he not only came back, but helped will that team to a big win and helped hold the Heat to 79.
Win or lose, that’s going to go down in 76ers history. The man comes back from a broken orbital, clears concussion protocol after just 2 games, has torn ligaments in his shooting hand, and puts up 18 whilst taking down 11.
I know a lot of hockey fans don’t like basketball, but you gotta appreciate effort like that. He knew they were buried without him. Everybody did.
Truly amazing that he not only came back, but helped will that team to a big win and helped hold the Heat to 79.
Win or lose, that’s going to go down in 76ers history. The man comes back from a broken orbital, clears concussion protocol after just 2 games, has torn ligaments in his shooting hand, and puts up 18 whilst taking down 11.
I know a lot of hockey fans don’t like basketball, but you gotta appreciate effort like that. He knew they were buried without him. Everybody did. - Hesh_
When the team decided to fire Hextall, abandon a patient draft and develop approach and wanted an action bias GM. Traded youth and top picks to win now. They need to win now and reach contender status. They no longer get a grace period or time to reach that level. It became put up time. Fletcher has failed to this point. Same for next year. Anything short of reaching contender status is unacceptable with the approach the team has taken. - MJL
Hextall wasnt much different. He avoided trading picks but at the end of the day he tried doing the same thing the Flyers always do, try to be competitive. Flyers never bottomed out to do a full rebuild. The only time we did pick early was when we had a major jump from 13th or whatever to 2nd. The only difference between Hextall, Fletcher and the old guard was what they are willing to move.
Hextall refused to do anything but sign FAs, not even good ones. The unreliable type aka Neuvirth and Elliott as your starting goalies, Weise and JVR He refused to move any picks which is not always a good thing. You have to be open to moving them for the right move, like Rangers trading a 2nd for Fox or Colorado trading a pick for Toews
Old Guard would trade everything, Picks and young players
Fletcher is the middle ground between the two. Aside from Nolan Patrick and Myers who he rightly gave up on. He hasnt moved any young players yet. He has moved some picks, some moves better than others.
The reality is despite some of the unpopular moves Fletcher made, he has made moves Hextall never would have. Hextall never would have traded picks for Braun. He wouldnt have traded Gudas for Niskanen. Hextall had 1 move acquire Picks. Hextall struggled adding pieces the team needed to be successful hence why his FA signings were mostly duds.
They Flyers might be going nowhere with Fletcher but they were going nowhere with Hextall too.
Hextall wasnt much different. He avoided trading picks but at the end of the day he tried doing the same thing the Flyers always do, try to be competitive. Flyers never bottomed out to do a full rebuild. The only time we did pick early was when we had a major jump from 13th or whatever to 2nd. The only difference between Hextall, Fletcher and the old guard was what they are willing to move.
Hextall refused to do anything but sign FAs, not even good ones. The unreliable type aka Neuvirth and Elliott as your starting goalies, Weise and JVR He refused to move any picks which is not always a good thing. You have to be open to moving them for the right move, like Rangers trading a 2nd for Fox or Colorado trading a pick for Toews
- xShoot4WarAmpsx
Numerous flaws in your response here. Hextall was extremely different and was committed to draft and develop. He stated numerous times that if he could make a move to improve the team that didn't give up the future, he would make it. You do realize that trading picks for players like Fox or Toews is trading future for future. Which if presented an opportunity for, Hextall would've made in my opinion. So you're missing some nuance here on a number of levels.
Old Guard would trade everything, Picks and young players
Fletcher is the middle ground between the two. Aside from Nolan Patrick and Myers who he rightly gave up on. He hasnt moved any young players yet. He has moved some picks, some moves better than others.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx
Fletcher's moves haven't quite been to the level of aggressiveness that it was under Clarke and Holmgren but I would suggest that is do to how the league has changed and there is less opportunity available to trade and move on the level that the previous two GM's did.
The reality is despite some of the unpopular moves Fletcher made, he has made moves Hextall never would have. Hextall never would have traded picks for Braun. He wouldnt have traded Gudas for Niskanen. Hextall had 1 move acquire Picks. Hextall struggled adding pieces the team needed to be successful hence why his FA signings were mostly duds.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx
This is very wrong. Since Gudas for Niskanen is vet for vet and not giving up youth, I have no doubt that Hextall would've made that move. Too good of a deal without giving up the future to not make. You are very short on facts here as normal.
Players Hextall acquired in trades included RJ Umberger, Sam Gagner, Val Filppula, Jori Lehtera, Petr Mrazek
Hextall made about a dozen significant UFA acquisitions. Out of those 12, 3 of them including Weise, Gordon and Colaiacovo were duds.
They Flyers might be going nowhere with Fletcher but they were going nowhere with Hextall too. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
Here is what you don't understand. How much better a team that is in a draft and develop mode that isn't capped out and doesn't have a bunch of older long term high cap hit players is, even if things aren't progressing as hoped. Than a team in the position that Fletcher has them in. The Flyers under Hextall were far better positioned for the future than under Fletcher.
This franchise had a future under Hextall. This franchise is in major trouble under Fletcher.
Players Hextall acquired in trades included RJ Umberger, Sam Gagner, Val Filppula, Jori Lehtera, Petr Mrazek
Hextall made about a dozen significant UFA acquisitions. Out of those 12, 3 of them including Weise, Gordon and Colaiacovo were duds.
Umberger was added strictly to get out from under Hartnells contract. We gave up the better player
How was Mrazek not a dud? It was essentially the same move Fletcher made with Talbot. Brought in a goalie that was never used other than a small stretch were Elliott and Neuvirth where both hurt
Elliott and Neuvirth were both duds. Neither could stay healthy enough to help the team. Elliott was fine when he was backing up Hart but under Hextall's term he was starter
Weise self explanatory
Emery was a dud, another oft injured goalie
Medvedev was a dud
Everyones favourite 4th line whipping boy Vandevelde was signed by Hextall
Not sure how Gagner wasnt a dud. He was here 1 season and put up 16 points in 53 games. Was even demoted to the AHL. All they did was shed 1 year of Grossmann and gave ARI the Pronger LTIR asset for the cap floor
The only Good FA signings was MDZ and Bellemare
Fillpula was not a good signing. It was just OK. He was not a 2nd line C which is what he was asked to be because Nolan Patrick never panned out. Fillpula was not a #2C player at this point in his career
The only good trades were: Adding Gudas, Ill give him the cap dump trade of Lecavalier and Schenn
Look at his trade history, there is not ONE trade that is player for player or giving up a pick for a young player. Everything involves getting picks, many off which amounted to nothing.
Umberger was added strictly to get out from under Hartnells contract. We gave up the better player
How was Mrazek not a dud? It was essentially the same move Fletcher made with Talbot. Brought in a goalie that was never used other than a small stretch were Elliott and Neuvirth where both hurt
Elliott and Neuvirth were both duds. Neither could stay healthy enough to help the team. Elliott was fine when he was backing up Hart but under Hextall's term he was starter
Weise self explanatory
Emery was a dud, another oft injured goalie
Medvedev was a dud
Everyones favourite 4th line whipping boy Vandevelde was signed by Hextall
Not sure how Gagner wasnt a dud. He was here 1 season and put up 16 points in 53 games. Was even demoted to the AHL. All they did was shed 1 year of Grossmann and gave ARI the Pronger LTIR asset for the cap floor
The only Good FA signings was MDZ and Bellemare
Fillpula was not a good signing. It was just OK. He was not a 2nd line C which is what he was asked to be because Nolan Patrick never panned out. Fillpula was not a #2C player at this point in his career
The only good trades were: Adding Gudas, Ill give him the cap dump trade of Lecavalier and Schenn
Look at his trade history, there is not ONE trade that is player for player or giving up a pick for a young player. Everything involves getting picks, many off which amounted to nothing.
You're changing your tune. You stated multiple things that you said Hextall would never do. What I posted proves that you are wrong.
I'm not going to comment on all of it since much of it is wrong. For example, first of all calling Filppula a signing. It wasn't a signing, it was a trade. Filppula was a big part of why the Flyers made the playoffs in a season. He took a lot of the tough minutes at 5 on 5 to allow Giroux and Couturier, who blossomed offensively in the situation to play more advantageous minutes. Filppula played very well in his role and it was a good move. It fit the mantra that Hextall had that he would improve the team if he could without giving up the future.
Elliott was a dud? Your comments are uninformed and off base
