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amazing how anyone can back this GM and organization.

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amazing how anyone can back this GM and organization.
- hello it's me 2050

No changes to the front office.

Hanrahan counting to eat at the trough.

He didn't listen. That's pretty funny. The GM's job is not to listen to anyone. His job is to take the information from his advisors combined with his own insights and make a decision. Hextall drafted a player who was a consensus top 2 pick in the draft and considered a future #1 NHL center by all draft rankings.
- MJL

And he ignored the red flags. but you keep protecting him.. you be you

Do you know if the flyers interviewed anyone else?
- hello it's me 2050

Does it matter? They hired a guy that know hockey and can help develop young players.

Does it matter? They hired a guy that know hockey and can help develop young players.
- WhiskeyMan

Well seeing the results the last decade you tell me if you think it matters.

Help develop young players based on what? What is the criteria? how many NHL level players has he produced because of his development? what is his track record?

Serious question though. Do you think everyone is ready to (willingly) strap in and bunker down for a sustained level of suckage required to generate the number of consecutive top 5 picks there as shown above?
- stayinthefnnet

If by everyone you mean the fans, I know I am ready and willing.

No changes to the front office.

Hanrahan counting to eat at the trough.
- FlyerFan3260

If I'm a member of another organization I'm writing the Philadelphia Flyers on my list this summer and adding them to my speed dial. Savy GM's are licking their chops. They know the position the Flyers are in and how desperate Chuck is going to be.

So, in your opinion, they had to hire some onefrom the outside, only to prove to the fans that it's not just an "inner circle" hiring, despite Sami's potential suitability for the role?
- missingmike

No. You're too focused on the Kapanen hiring individually.

If I'm a member of another organization I'm writing the Philadelphia Flyers on my list this summer and adding them to my speed dial. Savy GM's are licking their chops. They know the position the Flyers are in and how desperate Chuck is going to be.
- StepfordSam

Of course they do. They know that the Flyers are again going to put themselves into a position of having to make moves. As well as knowing that the Flyers are one of the handful of worst run teams in the league in terms of hockey operations and the guy running the show is a used car salesman.

Well seeing the results the last decade you tell me if you think it matters.

Help develop young players based on what? What is the criteria? how many NHL level players has he produced because of his development? what is his track record?
- hello it's me 2050

Dude, you are way too angry on this. I am sure he will have minimal impact on the team. Can you tell me that he won't be able to help develop young players, or are you in the mindset that any move/hires the Flyers make is sh&t?

Hell, you would probably complain if they brought back Berube as a coach.

https://theathletic.com/3...s-coach-trades-offseason/




The Flyers very clearly need to make changes this offseason. They need to fully shift to a “search for stars” approach, as the “overwhelm with depth” strategy has clearly failed on multiple levels. They have to make a good — no, a great — head coaching hire. They need to address a culture that has fostered bad habits up and down the lineup. And they need to address long-standing organizational issues stemming from old-school mentalities. They can even try to execute on an “aggressive retool,” if that’s how they want to frame it.

But they can’t fool themselves into thinking any of this will be a quick fix.

Teams simply don’t jump from the league’s fourth-worst record to championship contention overnight. It’s a methodical, year-over-year process. Fletcher seemed to acknowledge this Tuesday, noting the offseason plan would include “a little of both” — a win-now approach, tempered by long-term planning. He needs to stick to that mentality.

For example, the team’s 2022 and 2023 first-round picks need to be off the table — both are just too important when it comes to giving the Flyers a chance to acquire much-needed high-end players in a way that doesn’t destroy their salary cap situation. They can’t be adding past-prime veterans on massive deals that last deep into the players’ 30s. And they can’t go all-in on a roster that at best will most likely be battling for a wild card spot.

Change needs to happen this summer. But Fletcher and the front office can’t lose sight of the fact that fixing this team will take time. Trying to jump the line with flashy moves intended to excite the fan base but not actually put the Flyers on a sustainable path to long-term contention won’t solve anything. On Tuesday, Fletcher seemed to acknowledge as much. He can’t afford to forget it.

https://theathletic.com/3293624/2022/05/05/flyers-coach-trades-offseason/




The Flyers very clearly need to make changes this offseason. They need to fully shift to a “search for stars” approach, as the “overwhelm with depth” strategy has clearly failed on multiple levels. They have to make a good — no, a great — head coaching hire. They need to address a culture that has fostered bad habits up and down the lineup. And they need to address long-standing organizational issues stemming from old-school mentalities. They can even try to execute on an “aggressive retool,” if that’s how they want to frame it.

But they can’t fool themselves into thinking any of this will be a quick fix.

Teams simply don’t jump from the league’s fourth-worst record to championship contention overnight. It’s a methodical, year-over-year process. Fletcher seemed to acknowledge this Tuesday, noting the offseason plan would include “a little of both” — a win-now approach, tempered by long-term planning. He needs to stick to that mentality.

For example, the team’s 2022 and 2023 first-round picks need to be off the table — both are just too important when it comes to giving the Flyers a chance to acquire much-needed high-end players in a way that doesn’t destroy their salary cap situation. They can’t be adding past-prime veterans on massive deals that last deep into the players’ 30s. And they can’t go all-in on a roster that at best will most likely be battling for a wild card spot.

Change needs to happen this summer. But Fletcher and the front office can’t lose sight of the fact that fixing this team will take time. Trying to jump the line with flashy moves intended to excite the fan base but not actually put the Flyers on a sustainable path to long-term contention won’t solve anything. On Tuesday, Fletcher seemed to acknowledge as much. He can’t afford to forget it.
- wcorvette

Good points!

https://theathletic.com/3293624/2022/05/05/flyers-coach-trades-offseason/




The Flyers very clearly need to make changes this offseason. They need to fully shift to a “search for stars” approach, as the “overwhelm with depth” strategy has clearly failed on multiple levels. They have to make a good — no, a great — head coaching hire. They need to address a culture that has fostered bad habits up and down the lineup. And they need to address long-standing organizational issues stemming from old-school mentalities. They can even try to execute on an “aggressive retool,” if that’s how they want to frame it.

But they can’t fool themselves into thinking any of this will be a quick fix.

Teams simply don’t jump from the league’s fourth-worst record to championship contention overnight. It’s a methodical, year-over-year process. Fletcher seemed to acknowledge this Tuesday, noting the offseason plan would include “a little of both” — a win-now approach, tempered by long-term planning. He needs to stick to that mentality.

For example, the team’s 2022 and 2023 first-round picks need to be off the table — both are just too important when it comes to giving the Flyers a chance to acquire much-needed high-end players in a way that doesn’t destroy their salary cap situation. They can’t be adding past-prime veterans on massive deals that last deep into the players’ 30s. And they can’t go all-in on a roster that at best will most likely be battling for a wild card spot.

Change needs to happen this summer. But Fletcher and the front office can’t lose sight of the fact that fixing this team will take time. Trying to jump the line with flashy moves intended to excite the fan base but not actually put the Flyers on a sustainable path to long-term contention won’t solve anything. On Tuesday, Fletcher seemed to acknowledge as much. He can’t afford to forget it.
- wcorvette

I know we shouldn’t be thinking of adding players like Johnny Goudreau but man, what does this team look like if you don’t try to add a star or a player of impact next season?

The last two seasons were clown shows, Fletcher was a steaming turd for a decade in Minnesota and he’s still employed. Laughing stocks
- PLindbergh31

Wow! Comparing Fletcher to a steaming turd. Steaming turds have accelerating value with the skyrocketing fertilizer costs. You should apologize.

you know if the flyers hired everyone here for the FO we'd probably only be 2 years away from being a cup contender

you know if the flyers hired everyone here for the FO we'd probably only be 2 years away from being a cup contender
- 2Real

puh-leez...they'd already be a Cup dynasty team like never seen before

https://theathletic.com/3293624/2022/05/05/flyers-coach-trades-offseason/




The Flyers very clearly need to make changes this offseason. They need to fully shift to a “search for stars” approach, as the “overwhelm with depth” strategy has clearly failed on multiple levels. They have to make a good — no, a great — head coaching hire. They need to address a culture that has fostered bad habits up and down the lineup. And they need to address long-standing organizational issues stemming from old-school mentalities. They can even try to execute on an “aggressive retool,” if that’s how they want to frame it.

But they can’t fool themselves into thinking any of this will be a quick fix.

Teams simply don’t jump from the league’s fourth-worst record to championship contention overnight. It’s a methodical, year-over-year process. Fletcher seemed to acknowledge this Tuesday, noting the offseason plan would include “a little of both” — a win-now approach, tempered by long-term planning. He needs to stick to that mentality.

For example, the team’s 2022 and 2023 first-round picks need to be off the table — both are just too important when it comes to giving the Flyers a chance to acquire much-needed high-end players in a way that doesn’t destroy their salary cap situation. They can’t be adding past-prime veterans on massive deals that last deep into the players’ 30s. And they can’t go all-in on a roster that at best will most likely be battling for a wild card spot.

Change needs to happen this summer. But Fletcher and the front office can’t lose sight of the fact that fixing this team will take time. Trying to jump the line with flashy moves intended to excite the fan base but not actually put the Flyers on a sustainable path to long-term contention won’t solve anything. On Tuesday, Fletcher seemed to acknowledge as much. He can’t afford to forget it.
- wcorvette

True but you also cant ignore the affect injuries did play on the season. This team when healthy is not as bad as we saw. Losing Giroux now puts us back a bit.

I dont necessarily think there is no quick fix. Flyers do have some pieces internally that with some luck (We have to get some eventually right?) could turn things around.

Ellis was brought in as a high risk, high reward type of addition. Top pair Dmen dont fall from trees and taking on a guy like Ellis who likely came here with the injury ensured we could get such a player without any significant loss going out ex. Chychrun, Arizona wants 4 assets for him. Of course he's 23 years old so it raises his value but it gives you an idea of what the cost would be. That top pair RHD spot is a huge hole. If this team has any chance to even just be competitive it starts with that hole on D.

The other aspects are the young players. If the following players all take steps forward that also improves the team significantly:

Farabee
Konecny
Frost
Tippett
Cates
TannerL
Hodgson
Provorov
Sanheim
York
Hart

Of course the opposite is also true. No improvements could be made and the team could be the same or worse.

TLDR The only possible quick fix is through player development and getting top pair RHD

you know if the flyers hired everyone here for the FO we'd probably only be 2 years away from being a cup contender
- 2Real

How so? No one really agrees on much here, other than we suck. Nothing would get done

True but you also cant ignore the affect injuries did play on the season. This team when healthy is not as bad as we saw. Losing Giroux now puts us back a bit.

I dont necessarily think there is no quick fix. Flyers do have some pieces internally that with some luck (We have to get some eventually right?) could turn things around.

Ellis was brought in as a high risk, high reward type of addition. Top pair Dmen dont fall from trees and taking on a guy like Ellis who likely came here with the injury ensured we could get such a player without any significant loss going out ex. Chychrun, Arizona wants 4 assets for him. Of course he's 23 years old so it raises his value but it gives you an idea of what the cost would be. That top pair RHD spot is a huge hole. If this team has any chance to even just be competitive it starts with that hole on D.

The other aspects are the young players. If the following players all take steps forward that also improves the team significantly:

Farabee
Konecny
Frost
Tippett
Cates
TannerL
Hodgson
Provorov
Sanheim
York
Hart

Of course the opposite is also true. No improvements could be made and the team could be the same or worse.

TLDR The only possible quick fix is through player development and getting top pair RHD
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not sure why fans set the bar so low. If you're not a good team and aren't on a future path towards contention. Don't have a vision where you can see the team headed in that direction. Then you are no where. Especially if you're capped out like the Flyers are. They would have to have an unexpected player or two take a large jump for the Flyers to be anywhere significant. All getting healthy is going to do is make the Flyers an average team. Being a capped out average team is the worst position to be in as an NHL team.

Not sure why fans set the bar so low. If you're not a good team and aren't on a future path towards contention. Don't have a vision where you can see the team headed in that direction. Then you are no where. Especially if you're capped out like the Flyers are. They would have to have an unexpected player or two take a large jump for the Flyers to be anywhere significant. All getting healthy is going to do is make the Flyers an average team. Being a capped out average team is the worst position to be in as an NHL team.
- MJL

The bar isnt low. Being competitive next season is a step forward. Cant expect our young players to become superstars overnight. It is unrealistic to believe every one of those players will develop at the same pace and where we need them to be in just 1 year too.

Before this team even thinks of contending we need to know we can rely on Provorov, Ellis(to a certain extent), Sanheim, Farabee and Hart. These are the biggest pieces on this team that are question marks.

They make or break our team

True but you also cant ignore the affect injuries did play on the season. This team when healthy is not as bad as we saw. Losing Giroux now puts us back a bit.

I dont necessarily think there is no quick fix. Flyers do have some pieces internally that with some luck (We have to get some eventually right?) could turn things around.

Ellis was brought in as a high risk, high reward type of addition. Top pair Dmen dont fall from trees and taking on a guy like Ellis who likely came here with the injury ensured we could get such a player without any significant loss going out ex. Chychrun, Arizona wants 4 assets for him. Of course he's 23 years old so it raises his value but it gives you an idea of what the cost would be. That top pair RHD spot is a huge hole. If this team has any chance to even just be competitive it starts with that hole on D.

The other aspects are the young players. If the following players all take steps forward that also improves the team significantly:

Farabee
Konecny
Frost
Tippett
Cates
TannerL
Hodgson
Provorov
Sanheim
York
Hart

Of course the opposite is also true. No improvements could be made and the team could be the same or worse.

TLDR The only possible quick fix is through player development and getting top pair RHD
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think this team could be good if you have at least one absolute stud on it. Take Giroux’s 102 point season. Not an overly impressive roster with names like Valtteri Filppula, Joni Lehtera and Dale Weise playing regular roles but watchable because Couturier and Giroux were dangerous most nights. I’m not high on Couturier’s offense alone but I have faith in him if he’s paired with the right guy.

The bar isnt low. Being competitive next season is a step forward. Cant expect our young players to become superstars overnight. It is unrealistic to believe every one of those players will develop at the same pace and where we need them to be in just 1 year too.

Before this team even thinks of contending we need to know we can rely on Provorov, Ellis(to a certain extent), Sanheim, Farabee and Hart. These are the biggest pieces on this team that are question marks.

They make or break our team
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If you're looking for and will be satisfied with being competitive next season, you've set a low bar. It's also not holding this franchise and Fletcher accountable. If they have good health and they aren't a contender, then Fletcher has failed and should be fired. He should be fired already but that doesn't appear to be happening.

All the players I listed were drafted in 3 drafts, and Florida was in much worse shape then than the Flyers are now, considering I believe the Flyers have some good players already on their team. The Flyers are drafting in the top 5 this year, and if they are patient this off season most likely will draft in the top 10 next year in what is being considered as deep of a draft as the 2015 draft, where you may recall Rantanan was drafted 10th overall by Colorado. Add two players of the caliber of Rantanan to this team plus a good hockey coach, and this team can be back for real in a few seasons. It does not have to be a sustained level of suckage. We have already endured 2 bad seasons, what is one more at this point. As a fan, if I see the team getting younger, faster and more skilled I am excited and looking forward to each and every game even if they are not yet a top contender. Its the climb to the top that to me is the most exciting. The last time I experienced something like this was those early 1980s teams and they almost got there. It would be nice to experience that again versus loading up and being 1 run and done.
- jd250

well the way i look at it is 2011 through 14 is four seasons/drafts. true, the flyers did just endure one bad one that should yield a nice pick. lets assume they hit.

to me you hit the million dollar question on the head with your next point. If they are patient. that governs virtually everything. do they embrace the suck for another two or three years. flush out the higher price veterans, accumulate assets, develop the youth. or do they bias for action their way into a high price veteran or two or a trade geared at returning to competing for that 7/8 seed range. Really, even with better health and not a whole lot else, theyd already be in line for some improvement.

If they go that route, to me its just delaying the inevitable.

well the way i look at it is 2011 through 14 is four seasons/drafts. true, the flyers did just endure one bad one that should yield a nice pick. lets assume they hit.

to me you hit the million dollar question on the head with your next point. If they are patient. that governs virtually everything. do they embrace the suck for another two or three years. flush out the higher price veterans, accumulate assets, develop the youth. or do they bias for action their way into a high price veteran or two or a trade geared at returning to competing for that 7/8 seed range. Really, even with better health and not a whole lot else, theyd already be in line for some improvement.

If they go that route, to me its just delaying the inevitable.
- stayinthefnnet

There's no doubt in my mind what route they'll take. Although not sure it delays the inevitable. I think it puts the inevitable in purgatory while the team is in an endless realm of mediocrity. Possible you get lucky and pull another "Giroux" with a mid to late first but the odds aren't good.

There's no doubt in my mind what route they'll take. Although not sure it delays the inevitable. I think it puts the inevitable in purgatory while the team is in an endless realm of mediocrity. Possible you get lucky and pull another "Giroux" with a mid to late first but the odds aren't good.
- MJL

true, thats a better clarification. delay is only semantically correct if you eventually undertake the path. i dont think the flyers will ever voluntarily take that path.