I am sure some of these guys realize it's an honor to play for their country and jump at the chance.....I get that part of it.

I can also see Seth going over there to maybe help his brother's game so if the Hawks dont' sign him he has some good "tape" for somebody else to take a flier on him....
Hopefully Lafferty breaks both hands, and comes back with new ones that can score!!
Lets just hope Seth or Lafferty don't suffer a serious injury....
- SteveRain

I put in hopefully Lafferty breaks both hands and gets new ones that can score!!

Did Sean Monahan of Calgary regress that badly, or does Sutter not like him? Could see that type of deal for Toews. Don’t know how many years Monahan has left on his current deal, but the kid seems to fallen off the face of the earth. Just wondering what happened to him.

I like Kurashev. He was misused my JC (shocking I know), but in the proper role I think he’s a decent option.
- Ogilthorpe2

so do I ...i think he can be a similar depth scoring option as a 7-9 forward most are clamoring for.

My first recommendation is to stop thinking/hoping/assuming that they will be improved next year. At this point, if it happens, it's just gravy.

Are we sure Bedard is going to be the next generational talent (or whatever the fudge you want to call it)? Is he better than Hughes? Lafreniere? Zegras? The Hawks need more good players. I don't understand why you would want to give up two high first rounders to acquire one at this point with this team.

Get/keep as many picks as you can - especially high ones. Tell your scouting staff to get their poop together and see what happens.
- Chunk

I don't want them to be good next year for the exact reason you said.

What I am getting at with a proposal of say a #3-#5 pick + a late 20s pick or a guy like Kriby Dach for this Bedard kid is thinking back to when the Hawks got Barker and missed on the 2 impact players before them. It's WAY EARLY for 2023 draft picks, but everything I have read from those who are 1 million times more educated than I am, is that this kid is supposed to be special.

I get it's quantity as well, but if you have a chance to a marque player who could be a building block for 10+ years....is anyone going to miss a Kirby Dach or a late round pick? Not sure.......

I put in hopefully Lafferty breaks both hands and gets new ones that can score!!
- ChicagoHope

I don't expect him to be a scorer as much as an energy guy.

I like Kurashev. He was misused my JC (shocking I know), but in the proper role I think he’s a decent option.
- Ogilthorpe2

I wonder how many players JC has f'd up in total?

Kurashev?
Dach?
Beaudin?
Mitchell?
Strome?

And for all those years it was Q who hated young guys......nobody is perfect but the hiring of JC alone should make it damn near impossible for himself OR Bowman to be hired again regardless of the off ice issues.

Alpo, Brian Sutter, Dirk Graham and I am sure I many other turds have NOTHING on JC.....in my 43 years of being a fan...he is by far the worst coach they've had.

I wonder how many players JC has f'd up in total?

Kurashev?
Dach?
Beaudin?
Mitchell?
Strome?

And for all those years it was Q who hated young guys......nobody is perfect but the hiring of JC alone should make it damn near impossible for himself OR Bowman to be hired again regardless of the off ice issues.

Alpo, Brian Sutter, Dirk Graham and I am sure I many other turds have NOTHING on JC.....in my 43 years of being a fan...he is by far the worst coach they've had.
- SteveRain

I don’t know…Alpo? Really?

I don’t know…Alpo? Really?
- Ogilthorpe2

yeah he's 100% in the running for me with Alpo. Alpo was awful but JC.....man.

I think Alpo got 1 year...and then they moved on to Brian Sutter. I think...but again, this roster was a lot more talented than what Alpo had. Alpo didn't help anyone out, but MOST of us would agree a lot of proven NHL players and younger kids regressed under JC....

JC to me was the ultimate ego trip for Stan where he thought he was smarter than everyone else and it just blew up in his face. When I saw JC on the team Canada bench for the Olympics I had a very enjoyable laugh and then was laughing harder when they didn't medal.....likely not all on JC, but again...he 100% did nothing to help that team win.

Did Sean Monahan of Calgary regress that badly, or does Sutter not like him? Could see that type of deal for Toews. Don’t know how many years Monahan has left on his current deal, but the kid seems to fallen off the face of the earth. Just wondering what happened to him.
- ChicagoHope

He had hip surgery (second one) and is on LTIR.

As long as it takes for someone else to beat them out. It's not like you have all these other better players available. I think the staff like myself thinks he's at least going to be s 20-30 guy minimum, i think he'll actually have more assists then that as he gets acclimated to the speed of the game.
- BetweenTheDots

I think restructuring the scouting staff and having the patience for young prospects including dach will be critical to a successful rebuild.

I don't want them to be good next year for the exact reason you said.

What I am getting at with a proposal of say a #3-#5 pick + a late 20s pick or a guy like Kriby Dach for this Bedard kid is thinking back to when the Hawks got Barker and missed on the 2 impact players before them. It's WAY EARLY for 2023 draft picks, but everything I have read from those who are 1 million times more educated than I am, is that this kid is supposed to be special.

I get it's quantity as well, but if you have a chance to a marque player who could be a building block for 10+ years....is anyone going to miss a Kirby Dach or a late round pick? Not sure.......
- SteveRain

I get what you are saying. However, if Bedard is that good, then I would think it would take quite a bit more to get him.

I get what you are saying. However, if Bedard is that good, then I would think it would take quite a bit more to get him.
- Chunk

100% agreed....I was just spit balling to see what it would take. NO clue, and hopefully there are a legit 3-5 top kids in that draft so they dont' have to pay a ransom to get there.

For those who follow prospects what I would like to know if Wright and the Slovakian kid were in the 2023 draft pool where would they be slotted? From the little I saw of the kid in the Olympics he was pretty impressive and stood out a lot more than most US kids who were high picks.

Hopefully Tampa comes through tonight and Sunday......

I wonder how many players JC has f'd up in total?

Kurashev?
Dach?
Beaudin?
Mitchell?
Strome?

And for all those years it was Q who hated young guys......nobody is perfect but the hiring of JC alone should make it damn near impossible for himself OR Bowman to be hired again regardless of the off ice issues.

Alpo, Brian Sutter, Dirk Graham and I am sure I many other turds have NOTHING on JC.....in my 43 years of being a fan...he is by far the worst coach they've had.
- SteveRain

Are these guys really effed up? Kurashev was a 4th rounder. Dach is 21. Most defensemen take time to develop. I agree that JC was pretty bad, but I just don't get how anyone can say any of these players are ruined.

I think restructuring the scouting staff and having the patience for young prospects including dach will be critical to a successful rebuild.
- Scott1977

Great point.....

Just keep thinking of a kid like Ruutu who they flipped for Ladd.....Versteeg for Bochenski....havlat for Bell.........Sharp for Ellison

it's not only developing your own, but also realizing if said player isn't a fit and having keen enough scouting to get an upgrade.

Hawks need to get back to winning some of these trades. Hopefully Strome is the 1st of many in the next few years.

Are these guys really effed up? Kurashev was a 4th rounder. Dach is 21. Most defensemen take time to develop. I agree that JC was pretty bad, but I just don't get how anyone can say any of these players are ruined.
- Chunk

Well, what we do know is that if the media didn't love Dylan Strome we never would have gotten the barrage of stories and the follow up regarding the mind games JC played with him.

Also know Dach had a pretty crap season, as did Kurashev (age 22), never saw much of either D men.....so I am wondering how badly these kids confidence is/was shot because of the way the old coaching staff used them? or they locked in opinions of the players and never moved away from them....(we know that is true when it came to Strome)

Think the biggest thing they'll need is a communicator in the next coach. King seemed to get through with Strome....I have no earthly idea who that next coach is. I saw on twitter some people are speculating Rich Tocchet.

I like Kurashev. He was misused my JC (shocking I know), but in the proper role I think he’s a decent option.
- Ogilthorpe2

Fast forward 3 or 4 years from now, the board will be bithin about the fact that Hawks had Kurashev and misused him and got rid of him too early................

Well, what we do know is that if the media didn't love Dylan Strome we never would have gotten the barrage of stories and the follow up regarding the mind games JC played with him.

Also know Dach had a pretty crap season, as did Kurashev (age 22), never saw much of either D men.....so I am wondering how badly these kids confidence is/was shot because of the way the old coaching staff used them? or they locked in opinions of the players and never moved away from them....(we know that is true when it came to Strome)

Think the biggest thing they'll need is a communicator in the next coach. King seemed to get through with Strome....I have no earthly idea who that next coach is. I saw on twitter some people are speculating Rich Tocchet.
- SteveRain

The bastion of truth and integrity.

What about Kurashev who many are ready to push out the door? Wasn't he a draft pick?

I would take LaFreniere, Miller, and picks back with Hawks eating 50% salary if the rangers reup Strome or Copp. You're going to need young players who aren't already in the mid-late 20s to come back because by the time Hawks are ready to compete you need them ready to roll....

And for all the Strome love out there...aren't we on board taking back team's missed picks and hoping they thrive in a new environment?

Again, all speculatory as big IF Kane wants to go....but more I see Miller play more I am impressed. Lafreniere had an improvement this year as well.
- SteveRain

I actually don't see the Rangers trading two low cap hit and potential long term youngsters of a former first rounder LaFreniere and K Miller ilk (PLUS picks???) for Kaner.

Let's see how things play out for the Rangers now...because unless there is a full time
backslip in the upcoming games they aren't offering the house for Kane.
There lucky to get the rights to Ryan Strome, their back up goalie and late first rounders....

I like Kurashev in the proper role I think he’s a decent option.
- Ogilthorpe2

I honestly cannot for myself figure out what that would be.

He is a skilled puck handler and good skater. He gets to openings to receive pucks.

He is about as much a finisher as Lafffeerty or Nylander so far.

He is basically no good as a board player. He says away from much contact.

I don't know they have players in a top 8 that help his game.
I will make the Duclair comparison...except Duclair came in from the Q as a know junior scorer (not generator like Philip)...Duclair was always a guy with good jump. Always showed at times, he could score, but all the rest never were in place.

I kinds feel it will be a long time or elsewhere that any chances of Kurashev catharsis takes place.

The bastion of truth and integrity.
- Chunk

Aint that the truth..........

I honestly cannot for myself figure out what that would be.

He is a skilled puck handler and good skater. He gets to openings to receive pucks.

He is about as much a finisher as Lafffeerty or Nylander so far.

He is basically no good as a board player. He says away from much contact.

I don't know they have players in a top 8 that help his game.
I will make the Duclair comparison...except Duclair came in from the Q as a know junior scorer (not generator like Philip)...Duclair was always a guy with good jump. Always showed at times, he could score, but all the rest never were in place.

I kinds feel it will be a long time or elsewhere that any chances of Kurashev catharsis takes place.
- wiz1901

Middle to Bottom 6 placeholder who keeps the kids in Rockford where they belong.

So here's one for you.....Assuming Hawks dont get bumped up high this draft, Columbus gets that pick.

Fair to assume baring a major run of catastrophic injuries to multiple key players....Hawks likely get Tampa's 1st next year. I dont see how this team is improved next year, as I posted likely WAY too many times explaining.......

If the Hawks don't land at 1....and this Bedard kid is the next Crosby, McDavid, Mckinnon type player....if the Hawks had a pick say 3-6 would a team at 1 take that pick AND Tampa's 1st and the Hawks get the #1 overall pick? I don't see anyone taking Jones not because of the player but because of the deal......

Hell I'd throw in Dach instead of Tampa's pick to get #1 overall assuming Dach doesn't do a 180 this upcoming year.......otherwise sell high and try and to get this franchise altering player......
- SteveRain

The simple answer is no. The team drafting #1 needs a franchise altering player, too.

Another way to answet is..would you make the deal you described?

The simple answer is no. The team drafting #1 needs a franchise altering player, too.

Another way to answet is..would you make the deal you described?
- Elbows15

Depends on how deep this draft is and what package Hawks sent.

I have ZERO clue if 2023 will be a 1, 2, 3, or 7 prospect deep draft.

Great point.....

Just keep thinking of a kid like Ruutu who they flipped for Ladd.....Versteeg for Bochenski....havlat for Bell.........Sharp for Ellison

it's not only developing your own, but also realizing if said player isn't a fit and having keen enough scouting to get an upgrade.

Hawks need to get back to winning some of these trades. Hopefully Strome is the 1st of many in the next few years.
- SteveRain

That where amateur ahl and pro scouting need to better and find players like sharp trade. Player blocked but has good upside. Time will tell. This offseason will very intriguing not only drafting and free agency but what type of coach is hired what type players are drafted and signed.