Giving up too much. I asked fir feedback. Ecsyze I sort if thought it was too steep a pri e. I really want and we really need a enter. Ut .y idea. Ifht me the board happy only in .o ING Jones. I don't see how we draft a top center.....maybe Davidson will surprise with some transaction
- jhawk59

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- mohel

After reading Wiz for years, I am pretty sure I got it.

Giving up too much. I asked fir feedback. Ecsyze I sort if thought it was too steep a pri e. I really want and we really need a enter. Ut .y idea. Ifht me the board happy only in .o ING Jones. I don't see how we draft a top center.....maybe Davidson will surprise with some transaction
- jhawk59

There are very few reasons the Hawks should be trading a 1st round pick and not end up with more of them.

Jones is gonna be here for the foreseeable future. I wish it wasn't so but it is.

After reading Wiz for years, I am pretty sure I got it.
- Elbows15

Sew diddd eye

Trade Seth Jones and our # 1 2023 For
(The top choice, or second overall in 2023 (guarantee to select Bedard or Fantelli or wait for the Super Russian to come)).
- JHawk59

The issue is I do not see any team trading Adam Fantilli or Conor Bedard. unless the Hawks pick is #3 and they have a way to get the Russian out of his deal and want to make their defense better.

Who would do that?


On to the idea there are no developmental centres /wingewrs in the 2022 draft that could help the Blackhawks

There are lots on centres with upside, defensemen and goalies too.

You don't have to have me start sporting names like B Point who was their in the 3rd for Tampa (79th overall bottom of the 3rd)
A lot of other were selected in the 2nd & 3rd who haven't seen NHL ice, you just have to scout well and maybe we find some help for the top six too when we start picking.

I wonder if Davidov of the Knights has Chicago on his NTL.. Hopefully not. Vegas tried to give him away to Anaheim for nothing because of their cap problems, Would anyone do Davidov (one year left at $5 mil), Brisson (Knights do not have a first this year), and give em lets say the rights to sign Kubalik?
- LAHawk

Yes those are going have happen to help a rebuild. LA here is another question would trade for a ltri contract take that on that another team wants to get rid of, for example Shea weber. As for dcat Kd needs to identify him as building block for the future or an asset to get a big haul back in a trade.

Here is an idea worthy of consideration. Curious if you agree. But please review my thoughts on the scenarios and then determine if this is sensible if your position was K Davidson, the Blackhawks GM.

Trade S Jones and our # 1 2023
For
The top choice, or second overall in 2023 (guarantee to select Bedard).

A rebuild necessitates establishing a number one line and a first line center. His many drafts with an early first round pick do we go through before we find a first line center avsilabke in our slot. And if you must go with best player available, might not even draft a center.. With Bedard and Reichel we would gave two centers, or a center and wing on first line. Teply would make a case for the other wing. You hope that Dach as line two center becomes pretty much the player he was projected to become (ceiling) when drafted

On defense Stillman needs to be employed, especially with Jones size and muscle gone. Plenty of size but the toughness is not enough nasty enough, perhaps, with Vlasic and Regula.

Galvas and Mitchell are regulars. Murphy has been moved and perhaps the veteran McCabe remains. Kalynuk is a depth dman.

Crevier, Allen, DelMaestro and Kaiser consist an attractive group of prospects marinating in Rockford. Phillips....if he improves and uses his size in a more physical approach defending, I might give him some NHL games then peddle him in a two for one deal. Maybe looking for a forward with size and toughness for second line? Ideally Strome and Phillips for ?

I am willing to use whomever Davidson has as the veteran goaltender, and wait on Soderblom/Comesso. Maybe one more AHL campaign for Soderblom and one season AHL after Comesso turns pro.

I really like the idea of role players employed on lines three and four. Barret and Slavin have enough ability to slide up as fill in on a top lines, but essentially are tough to play against on on bottom two lines.

Entwhistle and the Notre Dame kid skate bottom lines as well. R Johnson is the quintessential spare forward. Would be especially encouraging if McLaughlin and Busdeker find a job too. The bottom two lines could outplay their opponent, and their grit + compete level is a recipe which would work well.

Not forgetting Alty,; however, he is somewhat puzzling. Why the heck did he sit out over Osipov in the Icehogs playoff opener. Alty and Barret would be a real pain to play against - we could use that.
- jhawk59

What team is giving up the 1st overall or 2nd overall for Seth Jones and say our 5th or 6th overall and that contract would have add something else. And who knows hawks might end up with the number 1 or 2 pick.

After reading Wiz for years, I am pretty sure I got it.
- Elbows15

In that case you mind decoding for the rest of the class?

Yes those are going have happen to help a rebuild. LA here is another question would trade for a ltri contract take that on that another team wants to get rid of, for example Shea weber. As for dcat Kd needs to identify him as building block for the future or an asset to get a big haul back in a trade.
- Scott1977

Hey Scott. I would doubt that KD will go the route of taking on an LTIR contract unless it is only for a year, maybe two max. He stated in his last presser that cap flexibility is of the utmost importance. "We've been in a bad cap situation for so long, and that hinders what you can do".

Weber has four years left on his contract. I can't see him committing to having to account for $8M in dead money for four more years. Yes you can put it on LTIR, but you also have to be compliant with that contract on Day 1 each year.

I can see him, more likely, taking on a bad contract to finish a year at the TDL with a sweetener or two.

Sew diddd eye



The issue is I do not see any team trading Adam Fantilli or Conor Bedard. unless the Hawks pick is #3 and they have a way to get the Russian out of his deal and want to make their defense better.

Who would do that?


On to the idea there are no developmental centres /wingewrs in the 2022 draft that could help the Blackhawks

There are lots on centres with upside, defensemen and goalies too.

You don't have to have me start sporting names like B Point who was their in the 3rd for Tampa (79th overall bottom of the 3rd)
A lot of other were selected in the 2nd & 3rd who haven't seen NHL ice, you just have to scout well and maybe we find some help for the top six too when we start picking.
- wiz1901

The final CSS list is out. https://www.nhl.com/news/...raft-rankings/c-333710734

Hey Scott. I would doubt that KD will go the route of taking on an LTIR contract unless it is only for a year, maybe two max. He stated in his last presser that cap flexibility is of the utmost importance. "We've been in a bad cap situation for so long, and that hinders what you can do".

Weber has four years left on his contract. I can't see him committing to having to account for $8M in dead money for four more years. Yes you can put it on LTIR, but you also have to be compliant with that contract on Day 1 each year.

I can see him, more likely, taking on a bad contract to finish a year at the TDL with a sweetener or two.
- Chunk

Just an idea to create space during the offseason and during the season and pick up more assets. Montreal is big trouble with dead money with Shea weber and if Cary price plays again.

Just an idea to create space during the offseason and during the season and pick up more assets. Montreal is big trouble with dead money with Shea weber and if Cary price plays again.
- Scott1977

I'm sure I'm wrong, but I think that's more of a tool for competitive teams to fit more players in under the cap. Unless you are AZ who don't ever really seem all that interested in winning.

I'm really impressed with K'Andre Miller. He plays so calm and there are very few wasted movements. Just plays a smart defensive game.
- Chunk

Same....he, Lafreniere, and a few picks is what I would start with for the ask for Kane.

There are very few reasons the Hawks should be trading a 1st round pick and not end up with more of them.

Jones is gonna be here for the foreseeable future. I wish it wasn't so but it is.
- Elbows15

So here's one for you.....Assuming Hawks dont get bumped up high this draft, Columbus gets that pick.

Fair to assume baring a major run of catastrophic injuries to multiple key players....Hawks likely get Tampa's 1st next year. I dont see how this team is improved next year, as I posted likely WAY too many times explaining.......

If the Hawks don't land at 1....and this Bedard kid is the next Crosby, McDavid, Mckinnon type player....if the Hawks had a pick say 3-6 would a team at 1 take that pick AND Tampa's 1st and the Hawks get the #1 overall pick? I don't see anyone taking Jones not because of the player but because of the deal......

Hell I'd throw in Dach instead of Tampa's pick to get #1 overall assuming Dach doesn't do a 180 this upcoming year.......otherwise sell high and try and to get this franchise altering player......

Same....he, Lafreniere, and a few picks is what I would start with for the ask for Kane.
- SteveRain

If Kane would be traded to NY rangers most likely imo the trade would be:
Kapo kakko
Hcytil
Zachary Jones or lundquist
2023 1st
Kane 50% retained and 3rd
Something along those lines and maybe hawks would have add a prospect who knows what Kane decides stay or chance another cup.

If Kane would be traded to NY rangers most likely imo the trade would be:
Kapo kakko
Hcytil
Zachary Jones or lundquist
2023 1st
Kane 50% retained and 3rd
Something along those lines and maybe hawks would have add a prospect who knows what Kane decides stay or chance another cup.
- Scott1977

I dont disagree but worth asking and digging in on LaFreniere or Miller

Also....what is somewhat comical to me is this.....

Those preaching PATIENCE on Dach and letting him develop are the same people not impressed with Kurashev or not wanting Kakko oRr Lafreniere in a hypothetical trade.

Dach has 59 pts (19 goals) in 152 GP
Kurashev has 37 pts (14 goals) in 124 GP
Kakko has 58 pts (26 goals) in 157 GP
Lafreniere has 52 pts (31 goals) in 135 GP

So to me....if you are going to preach patience on Dach, then you preach patience on Kurashev, and you have MINIMAL concerns taking back either Ranger prospect as both are at least on similar path as Dach and LaFreniere is trending ahead...

Just saying......

All these kids show flashes at some point.....Kakko had a helluva rush into the net in G1......

I dont disagree but worth asking and digging in on LaFreniere or Miller

Also....what is somewhat comical to me is this.....

Those preaching PATIENCE on Dach and letting him develop are the same people not impressed with Kurashev or not wanting Kakko oRr Lafreniere in a hypothetical trade.

Dach has 59 pts (19 goals) in 152 GP
Kurashev has 37 pts (14 goals) in 124 GP
Kakko has 58 pts (26 goals) in 157 GP
Lafreniere has 52 pts (31 goals) in 135 GP

So to me....if you are going to preach patience on Dach, then you preach patience on Kurashev, and you have MINIMAL concerns taking back either Ranger prospect as both are at least on similar path as Dach and LaFreniere is trending ahead...

Just saying......

All these kids show flashes at some point.....Kakko had a helluva rush into the net in G1......
- SteveRain

Not really a good example at all IMO. Dach is already here, the others would need to be acquired. You already spent a high pick on Dach, so you may as well see if he pans out. Showing patience with a potential draft mistake that is already on the team is way different than trading the best player in franchise history for some other teams potential draft mistakes.

I dont disagree but worth asking and digging in on LaFreniere or Miller

Also....what is somewhat comical to me is this.....

Those preaching PATIENCE on Dach and letting him develop are the same people not impressed with Kurashev or not wanting Kakko oRr Lafreniere in a hypothetical trade.

Dach has 59 pts (19 goals) in 152 GP
Kurashev has 37 pts (14 goals) in 124 GP
Kakko has 58 pts (26 goals) in 157 GP
Lafreniere has 52 pts (31 goals) in 135 GP

So to me....if you are going to preach patience on Dach, then you preach patience on Kurashev, and you have MINIMAL concerns taking back either Ranger prospect as both are at least on similar path as Dach and LaFreniere is trending ahead...

Just saying......

All these kids show flashes at some point.....Kakko had a helluva rush into the net in G1......
- SteveRain

I'm good with all of our kids getting a chance to develop, it's an open competition, hell even Borgstrom. Don't care who the Blackhawks trade for so long as any of our draft picks stay with us or they are more Brandon Hagel deals.

Not really a good example at all IMO. Dach is already here, the others would need to be acquired. You already spent a high pick on Dach, so you may as well see if he pans out. Showing patience with a potential draft mistake that is already on the team is way different than trading the best player in franchise history for some other teams potential draft mistakes.
- Ogilthorpe2

What about Kurashev who many are ready to push out the door? Wasn't he a draft pick?

I would take LaFreniere, Miller, and picks back with Hawks eating 50% salary if the rangers reup Strome or Copp. You're going to need young players who aren't already in the mid-late 20s to come back because by the time Hawks are ready to compete you need them ready to roll....

And for all the Strome love out there...aren't we on board taking back team's missed picks and hoping they thrive in a new environment?

Again, all speculatory as big IF Kane wants to go....but more I see Miller play more I am impressed. Lafreniere had an improvement this year as well.

I'm good with all of our kids getting a chance to develop, it's an open competition, hell even Borgstrom. Don't care who the Blackhawks trade for so long as any of our draft picks stay with us or they are more Brandon Hagel deals.
- BetweenTheDots

I would agree....no idea what happens with BOrgstrom. Didn't really flash much in the chances he got....still here another year.

All about signing some veterans who they can flip next deadline to acquire more draft capital and/or prospects. Including a pair of goalies.

What about Kurashev who many are ready to push out the door? Wasn't he a draft pick?

I would take LaFreniere, Miller, and picks back with Hawks eating 50% salary if the rangers reup Strome or Copp. You're going to need young players who aren't already in the mid-late 20s to come back because by the time Hawks are ready to compete you need them ready to roll....

And for all the Strome love out there...aren't we on board taking back team's missed picks and hoping they thrive in a new environment?

Again, all speculatory as big IF Kane wants to go....but more I see Miller play more I am impressed. Lafreniere had an improvement this year as well.
- SteveRain

I like Kurashev. He was misused my JC (shocking I know), but in the proper role I think he’s a decent option.

I like Kurashev. He was misused my JC (shocking I know), but in the proper role I think he’s a decent option.
- Ogilthorpe2

I wouldn't mind next year a line of Dach Kurashev and Raddish. Let them grow together. Too early as to what # line it would be though depending on what personnel stays and goes

I'm good with all of our kids getting a chance to develop, it's an open competition, hell even Borgstrom. Don't care who the Blackhawks trade for so long as any of our draft picks stay with us or they are more Brandon Hagel deals.
- BetweenTheDots

Here is question maybe it's been asked or talked about how Davidson and company view dach and the other prospects? If they are not sold on dach and others how much patience and time do they devote those players like dach before cutting bait with them?

So here's one for you.....Assuming Hawks dont get bumped up high this draft, Columbus gets that pick.

Fair to assume baring a major run of catastrophic injuries to multiple key players....Hawks likely get Tampa's 1st next year. I dont see how this team is improved next year, as I posted likely WAY too many times explaining.......

If the Hawks don't land at 1....and this Bedard kid is the next Crosby, McDavid, Mckinnon type player....if the Hawks had a pick say 3-6 would a team at 1 take that pick AND Tampa's 1st and the Hawks get the #1 overall pick? I don't see anyone taking Jones not because of the player but because of the deal......

Hell I'd throw in Dach instead of Tampa's pick to get #1 overall assuming Dach doesn't do a 180 this upcoming year.......otherwise sell high and try and to get this franchise altering player......
- SteveRain

My first recommendation is to stop thinking/hoping/assuming that they will be improved next year. At this point, if it happens, it's just gravy.

Are we sure Bedard is going to be the next generational talent (or whatever the fudge you want to call it)? Is he better than Hughes? Lafreniere? Zegras? The Hawks need more good players. I don't understand why you would want to give up two high first rounders to acquire one at this point with this team.

Get/keep as many picks as you can - especially high ones. Tell your scouting staff to get their poop together and see what happens.

Here is question maybe it's been asked or talked about how Davidson and company view dach and the other prospects? If they are not sold on dach and others how much patience and time do they devote those players like dach before cutting bait with them?
- Scott1977

If his own comments are to be believed, he is not at all happy with the way many of the prospects were handled, and would like to give them all proper time to develop.

Ultimately, you will see how he is valued whether he gets a new contract or is traded (which I would consider HIGHLY unlikely). Due to basic math, they will be trading some of their prospects, especially on the back end, but the overriding message is that they are going to give prospects more time to develop.

Here is question maybe it's been asked or talked about how Davidson and company view dach and the other prospects? If they are not sold on dach and others how much patience and time do they devote those players like dach before cutting bait with them?
- Scott1977

As long as it takes for someone else to beat them out. It's not like you have all these other better players available. I think the staff like myself thinks he's at least going to be s 20-30 guy minimum, i think he'll actually have more assists then that as he gets acclimated to the speed of the game.