That is not good. We will likely lose that kid.
- iamscore2day

I dont think they will, though they needed to find out what he can do. The game she played he looked ok.

Just another small mistake by the GM.

Sadly and reluctantly, I have to agree. Fletcher is the equivalent of a hockey used car salesman.
- MJL

abc
- hockeylover

you Australian?

Sure it's possible. But I have no idea what was being paid for and what wasn't. I would imagine the medical treatment was being paid for under the Flyers health insurance. But I am under the impression the organization is being sued for damages, and that is what the fight is about.
- MBFlyerfan

It seems like this ownership group is looking more at spreadsheets and less on the people that get those numbers on the spreadsheet.

I’m my opinion this organization has lost its way since Ed Snyder was the owner. It was a first class in many ways but its become laughing stock with its on ice product and reputation to the fans.

If you polled the fans I would guess this ownership and management group would not like to see the honest feedback it would get. Or they might not even care if the P&L spreadsheet is their only focus.

dbth

If the organization, which is being sued, started to pay for it, wouldn't that pretty much be an admission that they are responsible for it? And I am not talking about the cancer treatment, I am talking about the assertion that the working environment is the cause.

The simple fact is they can't pay for everything until the suit is settled.
- MBFlyerfan

Very likely the case. Given how well liked in the organization the two men are I'm sure there are many who would gladly contribute (or pay fully) in support of their situations.

Corporate legal counsel has almost certainly advised against this.

Is the team not paying for the medical care of mccrossin and raffa
- corduroy

They have health insurance through their full time employment with the team. But insurance companies routinely deny things like experimental treatments.

Is the team not paying for the medical care of mccrossin and raffa
- corduroy

Quite often company provided medical benefits do not cover 100% of charges. Patients are routinely left with large remaining balances.

The first thing we are going to do is put together an ideal candidate profile..
- hello it's me 2050

AV was fired 6 months ago. MYoe was ALWAYS only an interim HC. Is this just GMSpeak or did he really not already put a list together over the past half year? What’s the harm in saying “well we’ve been working on our list of coaching candidates for the last several months and I promise you all we hope to have an announcement in the coming weeks”? Shame on this organization if it still doesn’t have a clue what type of coach it wants.

A capped out bottom feeder on the ass end of a 50 year cup drought.
Exactly where you want to be.

It seems like this ownership group is looking more at spreadsheets and less on the people that get those numbers on the spreadsheet.

I’m my opinion this organization has lost its way since Ed Snyder was the owner. It was a first class in many ways but its become laughing stock with its on ice product and reputation to the fans.

If you polled the fans I would guess this ownership and management group would not like to see the honest feedback it would get. Or they might not even care if the P&L spreadsheet is their only focus.
- Hosher12

It would help if you spelled the late owner's name correctly.

It’s a true reflection of this organization and specifically ownership that 2 of their employees got very sick with cancer and have left it to the fans to support payment for them. I definitely will support them but I now have a better understanding of the working atmosphere inside the Flyers organization.

Are there Go Fund Me coming for other team employees? There is no need for Ellis to go without rehab equipment.

I wonder how the culture and morale is in this organization. I think I have a good idea. I wouldn’t be surprised if they announce tickets prices are going up due to the lost revenue from fans not showing up at the games.
- Hosher12

I have a lot of issues with this organization but this is not one of them. If you contracted an illness and incurred bills outside of your medical coverage, would your employer cover those expenses?
Secondly, there is a pending lawsuit. If the Flyers paid for their medical costs, it could be perceived as accepting blame.

This is not a moral situation. It's life unfortunately.

AV was fired 6 months ago. MYoe was ALWAYS only an interim HC. Is this just GMSpeak or did he really not already put a list together over the past half year? What’s the harm in saying “well we’ve been working on our list of coaching candidates for the last several months and I promise you all we hope to have an announcement in the coming weeks”? Shame on this organization if it still doesn’t have a clue what type of coach it wants.
- mikeyo27

This isnt GM speak as no reason to say it?

correct

I have a lot of issues with this organization but this is not one of them. If you contracted an illness and incurred bills outside of your medical coverage, would your employee cover those expenses?
Secondly, there is a pending lawsuit. If the Flyers paid for their medical costs, it could be perceived as accepting blame.

This is not a moral situation. It's life unfortunately.
- MJL

apples and oranges comparison Cliff.


Is that only thing it could be perceived as?

It seems like this ownership group is looking more at spreadsheets and less on the people that get those numbers on the spreadsheet.

I’m my opinion this organization has lost its way since Ed Snyder was the owner. It was a first class in many ways but its become laughing stock with its on ice product and reputation to the fans.

If you polled the fans I would guess this ownership and management group would not like to see the honest feedback it would get. Or they might not even care if the P&L spreadsheet is their only focus.
- Hosher12

Ed Snyder never owned the Flyers.

I suggest listening to the Jim McCrossin interview on "My Dad Used to Play Hockey" podcast. As with any health plan there are things that are covered and things that are not. It sounds like McCrossin is opting to follow a treatment path that is not covered by his plan. It sounds like the current "accepted" route to follow for his condition is basically to treat the symptoms and wait to die in 1-3 years. McCrossin did his research and found some experts that are developing new treatment paths. My impression is that McCrossin wasnt looking to be a crusader for zamboni emission safety in hockey rinks. I think if Comcast/the Flyers had just reacted by saying, even though our research shows that our facility and zamboinis are not toxic we are going to replace them with electric units (or just agree to move his office away from the zamboni area) and we are going to do what ever we can do to make sure this longtime member of the Flyers staff will get whatever treatment he needs, that McCrossin wouldnt have gone any farther with it. The guy is fighting for his life and he's trying to find some meaning to his circumstances and what remains of his life.

I have a lot of issues with this organization but this is not one of them. If you contracted an illness and incurred bills outside of your medical coverage, would your employer cover those expenses?
Secondly, there is a pending lawsuit. If the Flyers paid for their medical costs, it could be perceived as accepting blame.

This is not a moral situation. It's life unfortunately.
- MJL

I agree. And it's why I support the GoFundMe campaign and encourage Flyers fans to contribute what they can. It adds up.

Additionally, the Flyers Alumni Association will be collecting among its membership to make a private donation.

It's not hyperbole to say that Jimmy and Sal are both beloved among the Alumni and current players alike.

I suggest listening to the Jim McCrossin interview on "My Dad Used to Play Hockey" podcast. As with any health plan there are things that are covered and things that are not. It sounds like McCrossin is opting to follow a treatment path that is not covered by his plan. It sounds like the current "accepted" route to follow for his condition is basically to treat the symptoms and wait to die in 1-3 years. McCrossin did his research and found some experts that are developing new treatment paths. My impression is that McCrossin wasnt looking to be a crusader for zamboni emission safety in hockey rinks. I think if Comcast/the Flyers had just reacted by saying, even though our research shows that our facility and zamboinis are not toxic we are going to replace them with electric units (or just agree to move his office away from the zamboni area) and we are going to do what ever we can do to make sure this longtime member of the Flyers staff will get whatever treatment he needs, that McCrossin wouldnt have gone any farther with it. The guy is fighting for his life and he's trying to find some meaning to his circumstances and what remains of his life.
- Dkos

It's simply not reality and not something the Flyers are obligated to pay for. It is not a moral dilemma. I feel for him and pray that he makes it through.

I suggest listening to the Jim McCrossin interview on "My Dad Used to Play Hockey" podcast. As with any health plan there are things that are covered and things that are not. It sounds like McCrossin is opting to follow a treatment path that is not covered by his plan. It sounds like the current "accepted" route to follow for his condition is basically to treat the symptoms and wait to die in 1-3 years. McCrossin did his research and found some experts that are developing new treatment paths. My impression is that McCrossin wasnt looking to be a crusader for zamboni emission safety in hockey rinks. I think if Comcast/the Flyers had just reacted by saying, even though our research shows that our facility and zamboinis are not toxic we are going to replace them with electric units (or just agree to move his office away from the zamboni area) and we are going to do what ever we can do to make sure this longtime member of the Flyers staff will get whatever treatment he needs, that McCrossin wouldnt have gone any farther with it. The guy is fighting for his life and he's trying to find some meaning to his circumstances and what remains of his life.
- Dkos

Jimmy is such a good man. And although he's considered among the very best in his profession by trainers in many different sports and by virtually every player he's worked with, he is unfailingly modest.

It's simply not reality and not something the Flyers are obligated to pay for. It is not a moral dilemma. I feel for him and pray that he makes it through.
- MJL

It's actually a literal ethical dilemma discussed in business ethics courses. There is no right answer, only trade offs. The Flyers chose their path and they need to live with the fallout from it, if any.

It's simply not reality and not something the Flyers are obligated to pay for. It is not a moral dilemma. I feel for him and pray that he makes it through.
- MJL

I understand what you're saying. I didnt say the Flyers are obligated to do anything. Not sure I agree that its not a moral dilemma.

It's actually a literal ethical dilemma discussed in business ethics courses. There is no right answer, only trade offs. The Flyers chose their path and they need to live with the fallout from it, if any.
- atibus

Pretty much true for any employer whose medical plans don't cover 100%, yes?

It's actually a literal ethical dilemma discussed in business ethics courses. There is no right answer, only trade offs. The Flyers chose their path and they need to live with the fallout from it, if any.
- atibus

In the real world, it is not an ethical dilemma.

I understand what you're saying. I didnt say the Flyers are obligated to do anything. Not sure I agree that its not a moral dilemma.
- Dkos

If you're not sure then explain how the Flyers are morally obligated to pay his medical expenses?

Pretty much true for any employer whose medical plans don't cover 100%, yes?
- Scoob

I think the twist is that there is debate over whether the conditions of the work environment led to the illness in the first place. The Flyers legal team wants to protect the organization from responsibility for negligence; that's their job. If you do something outside of policy like paying for experimental treatments it opens you to liability because it could be argued that the non-standard payment is an acceptance of liability.

My bet is this gets settled with an NDA, no admission of responsibility, and some payments that cover the treatments and attorneys fees. My guess is that the business leaders (not lawyers) probably even want that outcome but are limited by corporate counsel.