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FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

May 2 @ 11:46 AM ET
Why on earth would any team in any league ever hire him again?
- Scoob


#Flyers
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

May 2 @ 11:49 AM ET
Myrtetus really is something else.

Openly suggesting Torts as the new coaching hire.

How out of touch can you be with a fanbase? Talk about tone deaf. That guy has been nothing but a boot licker for a long time.

Very willing to call out players but won’t say a damn word about someone like Fletcher.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

May 2 @ 11:50 AM ET
The 2 biggest issues this team has right now is acquiring and developing talent. The developing part is definitely the worst of the 2 IMO.
- matman31


Off the top of my head, here are some of the young players/prospects we lost is the last few years, while the one ice product has continued to stink. Reply if I missed some. This list maybe isn’t bad but next year could be much worse if the philosophy remains unchanged.

Wyatt Kalynuk - signed with Chicago (most think that was because the Flyer’s are so deep at LD that he was too far down the depth chart and wanted a better opportunity to get games at the NHL level)

Mark Friedman - lost on waivers to Pittsburgh (depth guy, he maybe wasn’t a locker room fit here)

Philippe Myers - in trade to Nashville (in hindsight, it certainly looks like too much too soon and that he would have benefited from more AHL time and a sheltered 3rd line role to start his NHL career)

Nolan Patrick - in trade to Nashville, now with Vegas (let’s not rehash it)

Nicolas Aube-Kubel - lost on waivers to Colorado (I think he as AV collateral damage but whatever reason, development here regressed)

Connor Bunnaman - in trade to Florida (at 24, I still absolutely think he will be an NHL 4th liner one day)

German Rubtsov - in trade to Florida (of all the names, I think I believed this one was inevitable, as injuries derailed his development completely, and I didn’t even see sure-thing qualities from him early)
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 2 @ 11:53 AM ET
Off the top of my head, here are some of the young players/prospects we lost is the last few years, while the one ice product has continued to stink. Reply if I missed some. This list maybe isn’t bad but next year could be much worse if the philosophy remains unchanged.

Wyatt Kalynuk - signed with Chicago (most think that was because the Flyer’s are so deep at LD that he was too far down the depth chart and wanted a better opportunity to get games at the NHL level)

Mark Friedman - lost on waivers to Pittsburgh (depth guy, he maybe wasn’t a locker room fit here)

Philippe Myers - in trade to Nashville (in hindsight, it certainly looks like too much too soon and that he would have benefited from more AHL time and a sheltered 3rd line role to start his NHL career)

Nolan Patrick - in trade to Nashville, now with Vegas (let’s not rehash it)

Nicolas Aube-Kubel - lost on waivers to Colorado (I think he as AV collateral damage but whatever reason, development here regressed)

Connor Bunnaman - in trade to Florida (at 24, I still absolutely think he will be an NHL 4th liner one day)

German Rubtsov - in trade to Florida (of all the names, I think I believed this one was inevitable, as injuries derailed his development completely, and I didn’t even see sure-thing qualities from him early)

- NC Flyers Fan


The most common thing I see with all of them...they all went to a team with a past winning culture.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 2 @ 11:54 AM ET
Because it's easily fixable and all the details matter. A competent NHL team can address all the issues.
- StepfordSam


I don't disagree. This low-hanging fruit can be picked later.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 2 @ 11:54 AM ET
I agree, everyone thinks the 4th line should be complete homegrown prospects. Sadly that still fixes nothing.
- Glak18


That's simply not correct. It could make the 4th line better and it can improve the teams ability to develop players. Instead of bringing in stiffs like MacEwen, who no doubt busts his ass on the ice and plays hard every shift. Bring in more talented and skilled players who can either start there and progress up the lineup or build a career as a strong role player with some skill that can chip in some offensively and not be a negative player on a negative line.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 11:56 AM ET
Oh I remember that trade deadline like it was yesterday. That was the year Toronto tried to replicate the Rangers of 94 by bringing in big names that were a bit past their prime.
- Glak18


Kind of like the flyers this year emulating the ‘14 rangers
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 2 @ 11:57 AM ET
With all due respect, that's all true, but who cares? It doesn't matter. On the list of Flyers' issues, the fourth line is pretty far down the list.
- Scoob


With all due respect and fondness Scoob. That is a very poorly thought out opinion. I can see if it's coming from someone who has no clue but that's not you.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

May 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
Appreciate Bill mentioning his top 5 prospects. Interesting he did not chose Jiricek or Savoie. I don't know a lot about Kemell, so I'm glad he brought up the name. I need to learn more about this prospect.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
Myrtetus really is something else.

Openly suggesting Torts as the new coaching hire.

How out of touch can you be with a fanbase? Talk about tone deaf. That guy has been nothing but a boot licker for a long time.

Very willing to call out players but won’t say a damn word about someone like Fletcher.

- FlyerFan3260


They’re all under the Comcast umbrella aren’t they? I mean even if they aren’t they can’t afford to burn that bridge.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
That's simply not correct. It could make the 4th line better and it can improve the teams ability to develop players. Instead of bringing in stiffs like MacEwen, who no doubt busts his ass on the ice and plays hard every shift. Bring in more talented and skilled players who can either start there and progress up the lineup or build a career as a strong role player with some skill that can chip in some offensively and not be a negative player on a negative line.
- MJL


I have nothing wrong with the Flyers using their prospects in that role, I actually encourage it, but if the rest of the team consistently comes out flat, not on the same page and just don't produce you get the same results in the win column...which is what matters the most to me.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 2 @ 12:01 PM ET
The Flyers are one of the elite teams of the NHL.

Don't kid yourself - any coach would love to go there.

- Atomic Wedgie

That is just not true in any way in 2022
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 2 @ 12:02 PM ET
Appreciate Bill mentioning his top 5 prospects. Interesting he did not chose Jiricek or Savoie. I don't know a lot about Kemell, so I'm glad he brought up the name. I need to learn more about this prospect.
- Trox88


He's a pure goal scorer, but only thing that got him to drop was a shoulder injury.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 2 @ 12:02 PM ET
I’m sure it’s been mentioned already but the blog is incorrect. We can draft as low as 6th. Zero shot at 3rd overall however. 1-6 are otherwise in play.

The cost of moving from 4-6 to 2 should not be that big imo. I think Chuck makes a move and gets his guy. That is assuming he doesn’t outright trade the pick for some 28 year old as a quick fix.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
Why on earth would any team in any league ever hire him again?
- Scoob

because he is a good coach slapnuts.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

May 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
They’re all under the Comcast umbrella aren’t they? I mean even if they aren’t they can’t afford to burn that bridge.
- Just5


Congratulations to Jason on the accomplishment.

Doesn't negate the fact that he is being tone deaf. Curious as to why it's always the players that need to "look themselves in the mirror".

There are plenty of media outlets that have the gall to question a front office. Simply not in Philadelphia it seems. The lower level beats have at least started to do so.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

May 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
I don't disagree. This low-hanging fruit can be picked later.
- Scoob


Except not if they sign 3 or more plugs for veteran presence roles like this past year. The have players like Lindblom, Laughton and Brown already. The kids are two years older during this mess as well.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
No, no, no...we need a 4th line that can score, defend and play 19-20 mins a game to help the other lines.
- Glak18

no way. You need Zac types who skate hard and bring "energy"
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

May 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
Let's talk about Frosty's upcoming season.
Will he score 10 goals and 25 points?
Will he continue to have some good shifts then disappear?
I know next year we can say he missed a year
2 years ago, so that will still be a reasonable excuse, right?

- konalover711

Scratch that itch, Dude. Just keep scratchin' it.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
I’m sure it’s been mentioned already but the blog is incorrect. We can draft as low as 6th. Zero shot at 3rd overall however. 1-6 are otherwise in play.

The cost of moving from 4-6 to 2 should not be that big imo. I think Chuck makes a move and gets his guy. That is assuming he doesn’t outright trade the pick for some 28 year old as a quick fix.

- hereticpride


Yeah wouldn't be surprised one bit to see the pick traded for Dadonov or someone like that.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

May 2 @ 12:06 PM ET
no way. You need Zac types who skate hard and bring "energy"
- hello it's me 2050


On a team that overwhelmingly has pushed itself into a corner, into a space where they are so forced to rely on depth scoring.

A quality fourth line is crucial. The Flyers continue to ice a substandard fourth line for many years now, often due to poor talent analysis paired with a fixation on intangibles.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 2 @ 12:07 PM ET
With all due respect, that's all true, but who cares? It doesn't matter. On the list of Flyers' issues, the fourth line is pretty far down the list.
- Scoob

It does matter. One must be a real dope to think otherwise.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

May 2 @ 12:07 PM ET
Off the top of my head, here are some of the young players/prospects we lost is the last few years, while the one ice product has continued to stink. Reply if I missed some. This list maybe isn’t bad but next year could be much worse if the philosophy remains unchanged.

Wyatt Kalynuk - signed with Chicago (most think that was because the Flyer’s are so deep at LD that he was too far down the depth chart and wanted a better opportunity to get games at the NHL level)

Mark Friedman - lost on waivers to Pittsburgh (depth guy, he maybe wasn’t a locker room fit here)

Philippe Myers - in trade to Nashville (in hindsight, it certainly looks like too much too soon and that he would have benefited from more AHL time and a sheltered 3rd line role to start his NHL career)

Nolan Patrick - in trade to Nashville, now with Vegas (let’s not rehash it)

Nicolas Aube-Kubel - lost on waivers to Colorado (I think he as AV collateral damage but whatever reason, development here regressed)

Connor Bunnaman - in trade to Florida (at 24, I still absolutely think he will be an NHL 4th liner one day)

German Rubtsov - in trade to Florida (of all the names, I think I believed this one was inevitable, as injuries derailed his development completely, and I didn’t even see sure-thing qualities from him early)

- NC Flyers Fan

Gostisbehere may not be young, but he belongs on this list. AV certainly screwed with his game. His 2 years under AV were the worst he has had. Now he is back to looking like the guy we drafted. Thanks for nothing Chuck.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 2 @ 12:07 PM ET
Because it's easily fixable and all the details matter. A competent NHL team can address all the issues.
- StepfordSam


What does that fix? This team isnt a bottom dweller because our 4th line isnt up to snuff. Fixing the 4th line is something a contender works on. No one is debating that the 4th line doest need to be be better but when you score the the 2nd least amount of goals and allow the 6th most goals against. Fixing the 4th line is not whats going to improve those numbers drastically. That is like ignoring a failing engine to fix up the interior of your car.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

May 2 @ 12:10 PM ET
Gostisbehere may not be young, but he belongs on this list. AV certainly screwed with his game. His 2 years under AV were the worst he has had. Now he is back to looking like the guy we drafted. Thanks for nothing Chuck.
- iamscore2day


Which is why I get such a laugh at wanting to trade Provorov. Better yet, the media infatuation that is sure to come with painting him as a malcontent because of his comments the other day.

Certain Flyer reporters will be all too happy to deflect attention away from the real issues at hand yet again, and no this is not a shot at Bill.

I would adore seeing Ivan get moved to a competent organization, and the Flyers wondering yet again why a player finds a way to stabilize elsewhere. Might be a theme by now, some would say.
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