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Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 1 @ 12:53 PM ET
I just have to put this out there. So all this talk of playing with grit. Sign zak or not. Get players blah blah blah.

The great Matthew thachuk had over 100 points this season. You it surprise anyone to know he had absolutely ZERO 5 minute penalties this year?

The definition of gritty is different than era before. It’s not part of this nhl.

I’d love to know what “gritty” these players people want… zak is not gritty. He’s a fake goon. Absolutely not needed.

The team is soft because they play soft. They are out willed and out skilled all over the ice.

You know how you fix that? With skill top end and elite players. Start there.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 1 @ 1:00 PM ET
That Ellis situation really is a bomb waiting to go off in their face. I mean, all the players say that you can't replicate game shape. This reeks of the same exact thing happening next season. All seems well and good, and then he takes it to that next level physically come game time and goes to mush again. Just awful scenario there. Thanks!
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

May 1 @ 1:03 PM ET


The medical staff here needs to go.
These fools letting players go before healed is getting old.

The Ice needs to be inspected cause there is a reason we seem to lead the league in core surgeries year after year.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 1 @ 1:07 PM ET
I just have to put this out there. So all this talk of playing with grit. Sign zak or not. Get players blah blah blah.

The great Matthew thachuk had over 100 points this season. You it surprise anyone to know he had absolutely ZERO 5 minute penalties this year?

The definition of gritty is different than era before. It’s not part of this nhl.

I’d love to know what “gritty” these players people want… zak is not gritty. He’s a fake goon. Absolutely not needed.

The team is soft because they play soft. They are out willed and out skilled all over the ice.

You know how you fix that? With skill top end and elite players. Start there.

- Stayin alive
This team has needed to get faster and more physical for 10 years now. I've been saying this until I'm red, white and blue in the face. This team is way too slow and soft! And yes, it's not about dropping the gloves. The league isn't about that anymore. It's about winning puck battles and being tough to play against, and having the talent to do something with the puck while you possess it. This team is severely lacking in these aspects of the game. Thanks again!
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 1 @ 1:25 PM ET
The medical staff here needs to go.
These fools letting players go before healed is getting old.

The Ice needs to be inspected cause there is a reason we seem to lead the league in core surgeries year after year.

- konalover711

I’ll also add just like fake migraine boy they lie.

Ellis if true had these problems with diagnosis that’s dumb. Your doctors blow then. There’s no way it takes that long for a pro athlete to diagnose. Yes there’s a process but surely a pro athlete isn’t waiting months to see a specialist like regular folk. There’s zero chance even if the process showed multi layered problems it took until recently to diagnose.

It makes more sense they knew back toward middle of season and decided not to have surgery and just shut it down.

In which case just say that. But flyers don’t do that because they need to play this pr game and narrative to try to keep fans paying money.

And more than likely if these problems were so bad some sort of surgery is needed and he’ll miss time next season.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 1 @ 1:32 PM ET
This team has needed to get faster and more physical for 10 years now. I've been saying this until I'm red, white and blue in the face. This team is way too slow and soft! And yes, it's not about dropping the gloves. The league isn't about that anymore. It's about winning puck battles and being tough to play against, and having the talent to do something with the puck while you possess it. This team is severely lacking in these aspects of the game. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout

Exactly. Agree 100%. That’s how you play with grit. Control the damn puck and win battles with skill and speed. It’s amazing the powers that be can’t see this. And we know this by signing coots to 8 years as top 1c and risto extension

Only hope is these dinosaurs moved out and possibly briere takes over. At least he would probably know this because he’s from this century. Not that he necessarily would be more than a mouthpiece for corp propaganda but at least hope.

I mean can the bar set any lower?
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 1 @ 1:34 PM ET
I’d like to also add it’s kinda scary when fletch says things in press conference about team needs to get more top end talent etc..

I think it’s obvious they don’t even know what that is…
Signing risto shows they have zero clue what talent is.
Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL
Joined: 09.16.2017

May 1 @ 1:36 PM ET
Some unexpected players hit career highs in points this year. I think all of them except Mika were exposed in the expansion draft. Pavelski age 37 go figure.

Matt Duchene - 86
Vladimir Tarasenko - 82
Joe Pavelski - 81
Mika Zibanejad - 81
Mats Zuccarello - 79
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 1 @ 1:41 PM ET
https://phillyhockeynow.c...-cam-atkinson-ryan-ellis/

kudo to Hart for not deflecting.

Fourth-line center Nate Thomson, a potential UFA, said he wants to continue playing and that he was “still chasing that shiny mug.”

Scot Laughotn can STFU and hopefully he is traded.

Fesity RW Zack MacEwen said he felt “the love and support from the fans all season and that he fed off the crowd’s energy during his fights. “If I get people fired up, I get fired up,” said the potential RFA, who won the fan club’s Gene Hart award for showing the most heart on the team.

Seeler, a UFA, said he got positive feedback from management. He hopes to remain with the Flyers.

Patrick Brown said “fighting a bunch of fluky injuries” was difficult and he is “blessed to have another year on my contract” and come back better.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 1 @ 1:44 PM ET
This was the highest scoring NHL season in 3 decades, meanwhile the Flyers leading scorer had 52 points, and they averaged 2.57 goals per game.
- PLindbergh31

yup it was a bad season they have a good chance at 1st overall this year and hopefully we can have a good chance next year to build a team around a talented core
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 1 @ 1:44 PM ET
Some unexpected players hit career highs in points this year. I think all of them except Mika were exposed in the expansion draft. Pavelski age 37 go figure.

Matt Duchene - 86
Vladimir Tarasenko - 82
Joe Pavelski - 81
Mika Zibanejad - 81
Mats Zuccarello - 79

- Djapana

joe pavelski say it aint so
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 1 @ 1:54 PM ET
https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1520795563125530624

Would we really want him?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 1 @ 1:56 PM ET
https://mobile.twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1520795563125530624

Would we really want him?

- 2Real

No thanks. He made his bed and he can sleep in it.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

May 1 @ 1:57 PM ET
This team has needed to get faster and more physical for 10 years now. I've been saying this until I'm red, white and blue in the face. This team is way too slow and soft! And yes, it's not about dropping the gloves. The league isn't about that anymore. It's about winning puck battles and being tough to play against, and having the talent to do something with the puck while you possess it. This team is severely lacking in these aspects of the game. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout


Worst gimmick on a site of founded on horrible gimmicks
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

May 1 @ 2:01 PM ET
No thanks. He made his bed and he can sleep in it.
- hereticpride

agreed
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 1 @ 2:19 PM ET
Guess this shoots down all the geniuses that kept crooning that Ellis didn't want to be here.
- Phillywhiteout


Would that be similar to your crooning that Provorov doesn't want to be here?
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 1 @ 2:27 PM ET
That’s actually not correct. 100% team salary and cap hits absolutely are a factor in agent’s negotiations for their clients. As is other players around the league. The agent wouldn’t be worth a grain of salt if he didn’t use everything at his disposal to get as much as he can for his client.
- Stayin alive


As Bill said RRs deal has nothing to do w Sanheim. Irrelevant.
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 1 @ 2:31 PM ET
Seattle has to win to get a point against Winnipeg. They have more regulation wins than the Flyers.
- bmeltzer


Bill, Seattle is up in RWs. Doesn’t that mean they have the tie breaker?

Gotta say the Philly media kinda let us down here. Not saying you, Bill. This just seems to be pretty basic stuff.

Why is this such a difficult question?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 1 @ 2:36 PM ET
Bill, Seattle is up in RWs. Doesn’t that mean they have the tie breaker?

Gotta say the Philly media kinda let us down here. Not saying you, Bill. This just seems to be pretty basic stuff.

Why is this such a difficult question?

- Joe Nardone


It should said win or get
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 1 @ 2:59 PM ET
I just have to put this out there. So all this talk of playing with grit. Sign zak or not. Get players blah blah blah.

The great Matthew thachuk had over 100 points this season. You it surprise anyone to know he had absolutely ZERO 5 minute penalties this year?

The definition of gritty is different than era before. It’s not part of this nhl.

I’d love to know what “gritty” these players people want… zak is not gritty. He’s a fake goon. Absolutely not needed.

The team is soft because they play soft. They are out willed and out skilled all over the ice.

You know how you fix that? With skill top end and elite players. Start there.

- Stayin alive


'None of this is factual at all. Not one person has posted about fighting being considered grit. Grit is about "firmness of character; indomitable spirit; pluck.

One thing Macewen does well is work hard and play with energy. Every shift he is out there, he's giving it his all. He gets into dirty areas and he works hard to gain possession. Macewen is not soft. He doesnt have the skill so he has to overcompensate with hard work.

I agree that the Flyers need more skill but they need someone with the same grit Macewen brings. What you described is an enforcer. Someone who is there to do nothing but fight. That is not Macewen.

Macewen is an mediocre 4th liner for the regular season. He's the type of player you replace at the trade deadline for someone like a Maroon, Goodrow or Coleman. The other benefit is Macewen's work ethic can rub off on the younger guys
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 1 @ 3:02 PM ET
Some unexpected players hit career highs in points this year. I think all of them except Mika were exposed in the expansion draft. Pavelski age 37 go figure.

Matt Duchene - 86
Vladimir Tarasenko - 82
Joe Pavelski - 81
Mika Zibanejad - 81
Mats Zuccarello - 79

- Djapana


Remember when no one wanted to swap Voracek for Tarasenko because of his Shoulder surgeries?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 1 @ 3:05 PM ET
'None of this is factual at all. Not one person has posted about fighting being considered grit. Grit is about "firmness of character; indomitable spirit; pluck.

One thing Macewen does well is work hard and play with energy. Every shift he is out there, he's giving it his all. He gets into dirty areas and he works hard to gain possession. Macewen is not soft. He doesnt have the skill so he has to overcompensate with hard work.

I agree that the Flyers need more skill but they need someone with the same grit Macewen brings. What you described is an enforcer. Someone who is there to do nothing but fight. That is not Macewen.

Macewen is an mediocre 4th liner for the regular season. He's the type of player you replace at the trade deadline for someone like a Maroon, Goodrow or Coleman. The other benefit is Macewen's work ethic can rub off on the younger guys

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


There is no benefit whatsoever to having MacEwen in the lineup. This work ethic nonsense and having it rub off on others is the nonsense the Flyers keep believing in and placing too high of a value on over other more important attributes.
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 1 @ 3:25 PM ET
There is no benefit whatsoever to having MacEwen in the lineup. This work ethic nonsense and having it rub off on others is the nonsense the Flyers keep believing in and placing too high of a value on over other more important attributes.
- MJL[/quote

Sure cause he is the problem. How about we find 3 or 4 dmen before we worry about the 4th line.

Our best d is Sanheim who is pro a 4 on a good team and prov has not played good hockey in forever but sure let’s rip the 4th line
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 1 @ 3:26 PM ET
Remember when no one wanted to swap Voracek for Tarasenko because of his Shoulder surgeries?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Who was that
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 1 @ 3:28 PM ET
It should said win or get
- bmeltzer


And the mystery continues

What the hell is the deal w this question..
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