Can't believe that Johnson's been off the team for two years now and there are still some people on here that are so in their feelings that JR made a mistake that they still feel the need to cry about the stats nerds.

Take stats totally out of it. The Penguins as an organization had an unspoken rule of never buying a guy out. They broke that rule just to get rid of Jack Johnson. You're gonna tell me that the guy that was so bad that ownership was willing to go against their managerial values to get him gone by any means necessary didn't actually suck? Get the (frank) out of here.
- Victoro311

How do people know of this "unspoken rule" if it's never been spoken of?

They definitely don’t make it easy to follow. I looked into getting the BTN streaming package to watch Michigan but it’s such a mess.
- Feds91Stammer

I believe you can watch/stream on ESPN+.

https://www.espn.com/espn...a-men-s-hockey#bucketId=2


GO BLUE!!!

I didn't like Ford vs Ferrari at all and I love pretty much every actor that had a relevant role in that movie. This genre just isn't for me.
- Victoro311

I usually am not a racing fan and thought that I'd hate it, but I really, really liked it.

Is that why Grz came out with a +32 (32 GF, 0 GA) at 5v5 against guys like Sidney Crosby, Mika Zibanejad, Ryan Strome, Evgeny Kuznetsov, JG Pageau, Nicklas Backstrom, Casey Cizikas, Claude Giroux, Alex Ovechkin, Jake Guentzel, Chris Kreider

Or are these boys not big enough?
- j.boyd919

So according to your charts and stats he IS a top pair dman. [ thought plus-minus was overrated stat }. I guess you watched the bruins against the Isles and Caps in the playoffs. And of course you watched them this year against the big boys. Last year he got smoked vs the Isles in the playoffs and they cut his minutes vs the Caps . If you watched them as much as I have you would realize that again your making my point. Stat wise he looks great but stats alone DON'T tell the whole story. According to you and your stats he is a top pair dman. Correct ? So giving up assets and a big contract to get a true top pair left dman [Lindholm ] was another case of a GM not following your astute observation. Any real hockey guy not some chart follower would agree that Grz is no top pair dman. He is good and can contribute to team success when placed in the proper slot. I UNDERSTAND that you need a mix of different style players. And I go by a mix of evaluations. You go by your stats. How many people in your little circle would have Grz top pair ? Even with your all telling stat line.

I believe you can watch/stream on ESPN+.

https://www.espn.com/espn...a-men-s-hockey#bucketId=2


GO BLUE!!!
- Beatnic57

Yeah I meant like throughout the season.

So according to your charts and stats he IS a top pair dman.
- johnnypie[ thought plus-minus was overrated stat }. I guess you watched the bruins against the Isles and Caps in the playoffs. And of course you watched them this year against the big boys. Last year he got smoked vs the Isles in the playoffs and they cut his minutes vs the Caps . If you watched them as much as I have you would realize that again your making my point. Stat wise he looks great but stats alone DON'T tell the whole story. According to you and your stats he is a top pair dman. Correct ? So giving up assets and a big contract to get a true top pair left dman [Lindholm ] was another case of a GM not following your astute observation. Any real hockey guy not some chart follower would agree that Grz is no top pair dman. He is good and can contribute to team success when placed in the proper slot. I UNDERSTAND that you need a mix of different style players. And I go by a mix of evaluations. You go by your stats. How many people in your little circle would have Grz top pair ? Even with your all telling stat line.

Goal differential is too advanced for you eh?

So according to your charts and stats he IS a top pair dman.
- johnnypie[ thought plus-minus was overrated stat }. I guess you watched the bruins against the Isles and Caps in the playoffs. And of course you watched them this year against the big boys. Last year he got smoked vs the Isles in the playoffs and they cut his minutes vs the Caps . If you watched them as much as I have you would realize that again your making my point. Stat wise he looks great but stats alone DON'T tell the whole story. According to you and your stats he is a top pair dman. Correct ? So giving up assets and a big contract to get a true top pair left dman [Lindholm ] was another case of a GM not following your astute observation. Any real hockey guy not some chart follower would agree that Grz is no top pair dman. He is good and can contribute to team success when placed in the proper slot. I UNDERSTAND that you need a mix of different style players. And I go by a mix of evaluations. You go by your stats. How many people in your little circle would have Grz top pair ? Even with your all telling stat line.

Didn't use plus/minus but thanks for playing.

Goal differential is too advanced for you eh?
- Feds91Stammer

Notice how you don't share your evaluation of Grz . Since you understand the stats that are to advanced for me is Grz top pair ?

I already voted you the smartest, what else can I do ? I'm just a clueless fan looking for answers from the poster who understand all.

So according to your charts and stats he IS a top pair dman.
- johnnypie[ thought plus-minus was overrated stat }. I guess you watched the bruins against the Isles and Caps in the playoffs. And of course you watched them this year against the big boys. Last year he got smoked vs the Isles in the playoffs and they cut his minutes vs the Caps . If you watched them as much as I have you would realize that again your making my point. Stat wise he looks great but stats alone DON'T tell the whole story. According to you and your stats he is a top pair dman. Correct ? So giving up assets and a big contract to get a true top pair left dman [Lindholm ] was another case of a GM not following your astute observation. Any real hockey guy not some chart follower would agree that Grz is no top pair dman. He is good and can contribute to team success when placed in the proper slot. I UNDERSTAND that you need a mix of different style players. And I go by a mix of evaluations. You go by your stats. How many people in your little circle would have Grz top pair ? Even with your all telling stat line.

Lindholm is not a true top pairing Dman.

This argument is so 2013. Can we move on?

This argument is so 2013. Can we move on?
- Victoro311

I'm kind of enjoying it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This argument is so 2013. Can we move on?
- Victoro311

Jack Johnson blows and Gryz is 2nd pair and the Bruins suck! Boom! We gotta game tonight and I'm sick of hearing about Jack (frank)ing Johnson.

I'm kind of enjoying it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- MattStrat

Give it a chance (of dying lol)

Looks as though Sullivan changed absolutely nothing about his game plan.

Looks as though Sullivan changed absolutely nothing about his game plan.
- Grinder47

What he do?

Slapshot
Major League
Baseketball
Raging Bull
Goon
Happy Gilmore
Waterboy
Dodgeball

all sports movies I'd watch again.
- j.boyd919

Damn solid list, but no Bull Durham or Mystery Alaska?

If we're talking documentaries,:

Untold: Crimes and Penalties - about the Danbury Trashers (can't make this stuff up!)

Red Penguins - about when the Pittsburgh Penguins bought the Russian National Team in the 90's

Soul on Ice - relevant to us because a portion of it follows Jaden Lind (Pens prospect)
- Beatnic57

Never knew they did a Red Penguins one. I'll have to look for it. Still own one of those jerseys, was always my favorite.

Damn solid list, but no Bull Durham or Mystery Alaska?
- Pags

Eh I don't really care for baseball too much and Mystery Alaska was good but I dont think I ever have to watch it again lol

How do people know of this "unspoken rule" if it's never been spoken of?
- jmatchett383

Beat regularly reported that buyouts were never a realistic option because ownership doesn’t believe in it. Ownership never explicitly made any statements about not believing in buyouts so I called it unspoken.

Beat regularly reported that buyouts were never a realistic option because ownership doesn’t believe in it. Ownership never explicitly made any statements about not believing in buyouts so I called it unspoken.
- Victoro311

Well they always tried to make a trade instead of buying out and they have been able to do that other than JJ.

Well they always tried to make a trade instead of buying out and they have been able to do that other than JJ.
- 668710

Tangential but I firmly believe that there are very few occasions where buyouts help a team. Buying out Johnson was a win for us because he was never getting sat and every second he spent on the ice knee capped the team, but if sully would have just sat him, or even better if the FO had sent him down, that would have been much better than a buyout.

Notice how you don't share your evaluation of Grz . Since you understand the stats that are to advanced for me is Grz top pair ?

I already voted you the smartest, what else can I do ? I'm just a clueless fan looking for answers from the poster who understand all.
- johnnypie

Grz plays for the bruins therefore he sucks.

What he do?
- 668710

Actually Hollander is on tonight.

Actually Hollander is on tonight.
- Grinder47

Where are you seeing that? Usually when guys get called up just a couple hours before the game they're not gonna play.

I'm not high on Hallander at all but it would be nice to get a look at literally anyone else in the bottom six.

Where are you seeing that? Usually when guys get called up just a couple hours before the game they're not gonna play.

I'm not high on Hallander at all but it would be nice to get a look at literally anyone else in the bottom six.
- Victoro311

Sids out, Hallander took his rookie lap