If I were a betting man I would say he clears

But will not be shocked at all if ARZ picks him up.

Sabres as a dark horse.

Also Holland has been known to be a bit dumb
- Santo_44

I sometimes wonder how many of these oldschool GMs just got lucky at some point in time or another, but getting lucky meant having a great team they didn't have to tinker with for like a decade, so it makes them look like all time greats

I sometimes wonder how many of these oldschool GMs just got lucky at some point in time or another, but getting lucky meant having a great team they didn't have to tinker with for like a decade, so it makes them look like all time greats
- TheMussel

I would agree.

I also think some of these guys are just horrible at adapting. They have the same mindset from a decade ago and question why they are fired.

Then the same higher ups hire said GM again when they have issues adapting as well and they wonder why said GM got fired.

But they have to, or they face cap penalties.
- Santo_44

I genuinely wonder if they try to get Weber.

Basically an 8 million dollar hit for 3 million next year and 1 million a year for 3 years after that. Basically getting 26 million in cap hits for free.

if he doesn't clear
- TheMussel

I sometimes wonder how many of these oldschool GMs just got lucky at some point in time or another, but getting lucky meant having a great team they didn't have to tinker with for like a decade, so it makes them look like all time greats
- TheMussel

I genuinely wonder if they try to get Weber.

Basically an 8 million dollar hit for 3 million next year and 1 million a year for 3 years after that. Basically getting 26 million in cap hits for free.
- Dozzer

That 3rd year is troubling for any team though.

Would be a risk. ARZ can't be a bottom feeder for the next 5 years either...

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Would take him
- Santo_44

How many backup goalies are we going to have?

But they have to, or they face cap penalties.
- Santo_44

They need 12 players. They wont spend 4 million on a one of them.

They need 12 players. They wont spend 4 million on a one of them.
- the_eye

They need to get over the cap floor

And they need to go even a bit more if they want flexibility for moves

I genuinely wonder if they try to get Weber.

Basically an 8 million dollar hit for 3 million next year and 1 million a year for 3 years after that. Basically getting 26 million in cap hits for free.
- Dozzer

Holy poop, I think you may be on to something.

Another black mark for the league, but what the hell, the NHL PR department right now is pumping out platitudes to a guy who fully supports a war criminal.

That 3rd year is troubling for any team though.

Would be a risk. ARZ can't be a bottom feeder for the next 5 years either...
- Santo_44

Why would it be? I believe he's insured.

How many backup goalies are we going to have?
- Canada Cup

We need four goalies, as our plan is to play two in net at the same time.

That 3rd year is troubling for any team though.

Would be a risk. ARZ can't be a bottom feeder for the next 5 years either...
- Santo_44

Not really. When they’re ready to spend they can put him on the LTIR and it would only cost them a million a year without it effecting their cap whatsoever.

All they’d have to do is leave him off of it until they’re ready to spend.

I genuinely wonder if they try to get Weber.

Basically an 8 million dollar hit for 3 million next year and 1 million a year for 3 years after that. Basically getting 26 million in cap hits for free.
- Dozzer

Actually, I don't think your plan works.

To have him count against the cap, wouldn't they have to take him off LTIR, and therefore have to pay his actual salary?

Edit: ignore me. I forgot his contract was ridiculous. That's exactly what they would do. Pay him to sit at home.

We need four goalies, as our plan is to play two in net at the same time.
- Atomic Wedgie

Unless we’re using Mrazek in which case one is nowhere near the net

Not really. When they’re ready to spend they can put him on the LTIR and it would only cost them a million a year without it effecting their cap whatsoever.

All they’d have to do is leave him off of it until they’re ready to spend.
- Dozzer

LTIR is complicated.

You have to be as close as the cap ceiling as possible to get benefits BEFORE you put the player there.

You do not want an LTIR player. There is a bit of misconception there.

Holy poop, I think you may be on to something.

Another black mark for the league, but what the hell, the NHL PR department right now is pumping out platitudes to a guy who fully supports a war criminal.
- Atomic Wedgie

It would technically work…. And there’s nothing technically illegal about doing it.

As for ovie I get what you’re saying but to believe every player in the league agrees with your own viewpoint politically is kind of foolish (not talking about you specifically, just in general). The league should honestly figure out a way to restrict the media from asking questions that don’t relate to the sport. Ban them from gatherings or at least fine any reporter who crosses that line.

LTIR is complicated.

You have to be as close as the cap ceiling as possible to get benefits BEFORE you put the player there.

You do not want an LTIR player. There is a bit of misconception there.
- Santo_44

I can't believe that a big hockey media outlet (Hockey News, TSN, not Hockeybuzz, Sportsnet, ESPN, the Athletic) hasn't written a Dummy's Guide to Explaining Using LTIR to Circumvent the Cap.

We've been taking about this for 10 years, and I still can't really grasp it.

Looks like:

Blackwell is #11

Gio is #55

(at least that's what the roster says on mapleleafs.com)

LTIR is complicated.

You have to be as close as the cap ceiling as possible to get benefits BEFORE you put the player there.

You do not want an LTIR player. There is a bit of misconception there.
- Santo_44

So it’s precisely what the coyotes want no? A large cap hit costing next to no money.

When they’re ready to spend on active players then they can slide him onto the LTIR.

LTIR is complicated.

You have to be as close as the cap ceiling as possible to get benefits BEFORE you put the player there.

You do not want an LTIR player. There is a bit of misconception there.
- Santo_44

Not so sure. The Clarkson trade (5 Yrs of Caphit of $5.25M a year) for Horton, was a deal where Leafs made cap hit disappear for cash. Possibly one of the best trades in the last 20 years by the Leafs.

So it’s precisely what the coyotes want no? A large cap hit costing next to no money.

When they’re ready to spend on active players then they can slide him onto the LTIR.
- Dozzer

Yes. That's what they need.

They need Shea Weber.

Actually, I don't think your plan works.

To have him count against the cap, wouldn't they have to take him off LTIR, and therefore have to pay his actual salary?

Edit: ignore me. I forgot his contract was ridiculous. That's exactly what they would do. Pay him to sit at home.
- Atomic Wedgie

As I said it’s just an idea. I won’t pretend to know if it would work.

Actually, I don't think your plan works.

To have him count against the cap, wouldn't they have to take him off LTIR, and therefore have to pay his actual salary?

Edit: ignore me. I forgot his contract was ridiculous. That's exactly what they would do. Pay him to sit at home.
- Atomic Wedgie

i wonder if there is a way they could manage to send actual salary back. but i don't see one. their big money contracts on guys they may not want, are all gone this year - kessel and eriksson. that Nick Schmaltz contract is huge on the tail end, in actual salary, but they need him.

andrew ladd perhaps? i wonder about uninsured contracts there?

Actually, I don't think your plan works.

To have him count against the cap, wouldn't they have to take him off LTIR, and therefore have to pay his actual salary?

Edit: ignore me. I forgot his contract was ridiculous. That's exactly what they would do. Pay him to sit at home.
- Atomic Wedgie

And I think insurance likely still pays their share whether he's on IR or LTIR. So they get the full cap hit and only pay ~20%. Win-win...