If the Sabres lose the lottery and end up outside top 3, do you consider trading all 3 22' 1sts for Patrick Kane? He brings the puck possession/carrying ability this team is missing, Krebs and Cozens can learn from him, and this team solves a massive hole with a winning vet presence....while also filling up the seats.

If there was ever a time to pull a trade like this its next off season IMO. Make that trade early and signing a top FA goalie and RD just became that much easier.


Eichel with the late game dramatics...its was fun to watch.
- Theguywiththething

Noooooo!!

Noooooo!!
- Buff36

Sure keep stock piling hopefuls, one of these days it will work.

This is why you are no longer the GM, Mr. Murray.
- Sir Tindoom

Typical answer - make a big trade and it equals Murray status. No wonder Kim thinks and acts the way she does, hope is all buffalo fans need.

Toronto fans are neurotic/Sabres fans are neanderthals.

Q: Without moving any core pieces in the NHL or ahl roster, without removing any top prospects in amateur leagues, for 3 draft picks the Sabres could add a hall of fame right winger who is a hometown favorite, what do you think?

A: https://twitter.com/tpost.../1468022539565686788?s=21

Typical answer - make a big trade and it equals Murray status. No wonder Kim thinks and acts the way he does, hope is all buffalo fans need.
- Theguywiththething

As usual, I will start by saying that the guy I talk to is NOT exactly the most reliable. He told me the plan for next year has not changed. It's not tanking. We are not trying to lose. We are also not trying to win. It's 2024 when they are going to go all in. Which coincidentally is Pat Kane UFA year.

Typical answer - make a big trade and it equals Murray status. No wonder Kim thinks and acts the way he does, hope is all buffalo fans need.
- Theguywiththething

Great player, who would doubt that, nobody.

Next season he'll be 34 in Nov, and a UFA at the end.
Does he re-sign here? Lots of capital expended for just 1 season if not.

Terry is a fan boy, so I wouldn't rule it out.

Sure keep stock piling hopefuls, one of these days it will work.
- Theguywiththething

So you want to give up 3 1st, one of them top 10 for a guy who could become a FA after next season. Sure sounds like a plan.

As usual, I will start by saying that the guy I talk to is NOT exactly the most reliable. He told me the plan for next year has not changed. It's not tanking. We are not trying to lose. We are also not trying to win. It's 2024 when they are going to go all in. Which coincidentally is Pat Kane UFA year.

- Sir Tindoom

That makes sense, so Gerbe was right. Boring plan though and its boring to watch when all you hope to see is 1 of the players actually caring. Another season of nothingness ahead but hope.

18 year olds to save the day!

Edit: So the Pegulas plan to go all in after lucky season 13 eh?

So you want to give up 3 1st, one of them top 10 for a guy who could become a FA after next season. Sure sounds like a plan.
- Buff36

Other than a Sabres top 3 draft pick, none have shined or properly developed. Adams is doing a decent job with that on his picks but still development is a massive failure under the Pegulas.

Bringing in a hall of fame player for 3 picks outside the top 5 in 1 year, yes its essentially a cheaper offer sheet. He won't command 10+ on his next contract and it solidfies high end offense/winning culture/vet presence/respect among league players.

Pat Kane not only brings elite talent on the ice but the attitude missing for over 12 years from this team, while enticing other players to want to come here with the youth and direction management is heading.

It's not wild to see this, the percent a player outside the top 5 becomes a fraction of Kanes ability is very low, even with 3 chances.

It's an organizational reset, sounds like I am 1 year early on it and fans have to endure another season of mediocrity.

That makes sense, so Gerbe was right. Boring plan though and its boring to watch when all you hope to see is 1 of the players actually caring. Another season of nothingness ahead but hope.

18 year olds to save the day!
- Theguywiththething

I dont think bringing in several players who are having good success in their respective leagues is nothing. It wont be enough to turn them into a playoff team, and likely will have some rough going once again as young players develop in the big league.

Add in a modest FA signi g or two and a trade for s suitable player and they move up the board.
THEN, they may be in great shape yo sign Kane as a FA and cost them nothing.

Other than a Sabres top 3 draft pick, none have shined or properly developed. Adams is doing a decent job with that on his picks but still development is a massive failure under the Pegulas.

Bringing in a hall of fame player for 3 picks outside the top 5 in 1 year, yes its essentially a cheaper offer sheet. He won't command 10+ on his next contract and it solidfies high end offense/winning culture/vet presence/respect among league players.

Pat Kane not only brings elite talent on the ice but the attitude missing for over 12 years from this team, while enticing other players to want to come here with the youth and direction management is heading.

It's not wild to see this, the percent a player outside the top 5 becomes a fraction of Kanes ability is very low, even with 3 chances.

It's an organizational reset, sounds like I am 1 year early on it and fans have to endure another season of mediocrity.
- Theguywiththething

Took some ranting, but you got there!

Took some ranting, but you got there!
- IonSabres

13 seasons of bottom dwelling and counting...hopefully it works

Other than a Sabres top 3 draft pick, none have shined or properly developed. Adams is doing a decent job with that on his picks but still development is a massive failure under the Pegulas.

Bringing in a hall of fame player for 3 picks outside the top 5 in 1 year, yes its essentially a cheaper offer sheet. He won't command 10+ on his next contract and it solidfies high end offense/winning culture/vet presence/respect among league players.

Pat Kane not only brings elite talent on the ice but the attitude missing for over 12 years from this team, while enticing other players to want to come here with the youth and direction management is heading.

It's not wild to see this, the percent a player outside the top 5 becomes a fraction of Kanes ability is very low, even with 3 chances.

It's an organizational reset, sounds like I am 1 year early on it and fans have to endure another season of mediocrity.
- Theguywiththething

You could also blow three picks and he doesn’t re-sign, so you have now spent 3 picks on a 34 year old rental.

Kane just doesn’t fit the time line as an asset you trade for now. 4 years younger and you know he re-ups. Sure. As a ufa coming up. Sure.

I rather see the picks traded to find a rd or goalie.

Rd for dahlin (which means you don’t need a stud, solid stay at home guy that can read the game).

1 a/b goalie to go with Upl. Hell I’ll even take a solid b goalie.

Clean up the bottom 6…. Bjork eakin can go. Flip a coin on asplund. Etc….

Add a few kids (petryka Quinn)

And just go play hockey in 22/23! See what shakes out.

Other than a Sabres top 3 draft pick, none have shined or properly developed. Adams is doing a decent job with that on his picks but still development is a massive failure under the Pegulas.

Bringing in a hall of fame player for 3 picks outside the top 5 in 1 year, yes its essentially a cheaper offer sheet. He won't command 10+ on his next contract and it solidfies high end offense/winning culture/vet presence/respect among league players.

Pat Kane not only brings elite talent on the ice but the attitude missing for over 12 years from this team, while enticing other players to want to come here with the youth and direction management is heading.

It's not wild to see this, the percent a player outside the top 5 becomes a fraction of Kanes ability is very low, even with 3 chances.

It's an organizational reset, sounds like I am 1 year early on it and fans have to endure another season of mediocrity.
- Theguywiththething

He is a certainly a talented player, still not trading 3 1st for him. And chances are I don't get a player as talented, but when I don't have Kane's talent in 3 to 5yrs when it matters it's a waste of possibilities.

You could also blow three picks and he doesn’t re-sign, so you have now spent 3 picks on a 34 year old rental.

Kane just doesn’t fit the time line as an asset you trade for now. 4 years younger and you know he re-ups. Sure. As a ufa coming up. Sure.

I rather see the picks traded to find a rd or goalie.

Rd for dahlin (which means you don’t need a stud, solid stay at home guy that can read the game).

1 a/b goalie to go with Upl. Hell I’ll even take a solid b goalie.

Clean up the bottom 6…. Bjork eakin can go. Flip a coin on asplund. Etc….

Add a few kids (petryka Quinn)

And just go play hockey in 22/23! See what shakes out.
- Gr8daygo

You don't make that trade until you know he resigns, he has a say anyway.

A 14th overall got Risto - so those late 1sts are going to be diffucult to trade to find a quality player unless you find an over the cap team which is a real possibility. Adams has now gone public saying the Sabres are open for business, sounds like teams want to wait till last minute due to cap reasons to make any moves at the deadline so all of this will be in the offseason.

3-5 years of Kane on this roster will have a bigger, more positive impact on the long term core than 3 draft picks of this year IMO.

Chicago will not let him walk to UFA status for nothing.

I understand age/risk/possibly drafting a homerun on those 3, but its aggressive in the right direction, which no GM has done for the Sabres yet.

You are most likely right with you're approach, which is boring and Botterill-lite, there is no reason to just wait it out another season, half measures again will cause negatives in that locker room IMO and the merry-go-round keeps spinning.

The Washington Capitals are a prime trade target with their cap situation and Carl Hagelin's long term injury. They're roughly $2.5M over the cap.

They need a quality defensive LW who can play the PK and score the occasional goal. Enter Zemgus Girgensons. By taking back the contract of Carl Hagelin (expires after next season) and Michal Kempny, the Sabres would be sending $2.2M to the Caps but taking back $5.25M. They could save the Caps even more than $3M on their cap by also retaining 50% on Girgensons, for over $4M in cap savings for the Caps.

You don't make that trade until you know he resigns, he has a say anyway.

A 14th overall got Risto - so those late 1sts are going to be diffucult to trade to find a quality player unless you find an over the cap team which is a real possibility. Adams has now gone public saying the Sabres are open for business, sounds like teams want to wait till last minute due to cap reasons to make any moves at the deadline so all of this will be in the offseason.

3-5 years of Kane on this roster will have a bigger, more positive impact on the long term core than 3 draft picks of this year IMO.

Chicago will not let him walk to UFA status for nothing.

I understand age/risk/possibly drafting a homerun on those 3, but its aggressive in the right direction, which no GM has done for the Sabres yet.

You are most likely right with you're approach, which is boring and Botterill-lite, there is no reason to just wait it out another season, half measures again will cause negatives in that locker room IMO and the merry-go-round keeps spinning.
- Theguywiththething

I like your aggressive approach, I can't stand tanking it just breads a losing culture. If he was up to resigning I could understand the latter 2 1st. But that other one I want to keep.

The Washington Capitals are a prime trade target with their cap situation and Carl Hagelin's long term injury. They're roughly $2.5M over the cap.

They need a quality defensive LW who can play the PK and score the occasional goal. Enter Zemgus Girgensons. By taking back the contract of Carl Hagelin (expires after next season) and Michal Kempny, the Sabres would be sending $2.2M to the Caps but taking back $5.25M. They could save the Caps even more than $3M on their cap by also retaining 50% on Girgensons, for over $4M in cap savings for the Caps.
- kingcong39

Been saying for a week he's my surprise trade.

I like your aggressive approach, I can't stand tanking it just breads a losing culture. If he was up to resigning I could understand the latter 2 1st. But that other one I want to keep.
- Buff36

Welcome to the negotiating table my friend, now were talking.

Welcome to the negotiating table my friend, now were talking.
- Theguywiththething

Still be a tough negotiation my friend, I only come with 1 foot in the door.

I like your aggressive approach, I can't stand tanking it just breads a losing culture. If he was up to resigning I could understand the latter 2 1st. But that other one I want to keep.
- Buff36

I'm all for trading one of the later 1st round picks in a deal for an impact forward or defenseman, but not the Sabres pick, as there are at least 6 quality players at the top of this draft (Wright, Cooley, Savoie, Nemec, Slafkovsky, Jiricek).

I'd like to keep one of the later 1sts to draft an RHD if the Sabres go with a forward for their own 1st.

We've talked about player like Keller, Fiala, PLD from Winnipeg, and others as far as impact player targets.

Been saying for a week he's my surprise trade.
- Buff36

He would be an excellent addition to any playoff team, and his deal having an additional season left on it, along with the Sabres ability to retain 50%, should bring a nice return.

I'm all for trading one of the later 1st round picks in a deal for an impact forward or defenseman, but not the Sabres pick, as there are at least 6 quality players at the top of this draft (Wright, Cooley, Savoie, Nemec, Slafkovsky, Jiricek).

I'd like to keep one of the later 1sts to draft an RHD if the Sabres go with a forward for their own 1st.

We've talked about player like Keller, Fiala, PLD from Winnipeg, and others as far as impact player targets.
- kingcong39

To me the Sabres pick is off the table, unless I am getting Zegras. I want Jiricek Slafkovsky or Nemec

The Washington Capitals are a prime trade target with their cap situation and Carl Hagelin's long term injury. They're roughly $2.5M over the cap.

They need a quality defensive LW who can play the PK and score the occasional goal. Enter Zemgus Girgensons. By taking back the contract of Carl Hagelin (expires after next season) and Michal Kempny, the Sabres would be sending $2.2M to the Caps but taking back $5.25M. They could save the Caps even more than $3M on their cap by also retaining 50% on Girgensons, for over $4M in cap savings for the Caps.
- kingcong39

nice...

am also targeting the panthers, rangers and blue jackets...cats looking for defensive depth and cap-relief (possibly vatrano) and are said to have tippett and denisenko on the block; rags looking for bottom-six scoring (olofsson?) and possibly a backup (anderson?) if they move georgiev for a pick; jackets also need scoring and a backup

To me the Sabres pick is off the table, unless I am getting Zegras. I want Jiricek Slafkovsky or Nemec
- Buff36

I'd take any of the 6 I mentioned and be happy.

If Tuch is out for a bit, the team is going to suffer.