No team has won the cup without an Elite d-man since the '06 Hurricanes
- DirtyDan

Need both. Have always been in that camp.

Now having an elite D and a high powered committee offense? It's an interesting path.

This is false. You're completely ignoring all of the U23 forwards here and Tuch. They are missing a high end offensive talent (which may be here in Quinn eventually) but their model appears to be committee offense.

I'm not the guy that says just wait to incorporate the next draft pick. I'm well aware of their limited impacts not named McEichel Matthews. There's some work to do via trades to incorporate one or two high end offensive pieces and one or two RHDs (leaving goalie out of this) and simple analytics easily shows their deficiencies beyond simply youth.

Teams don't trade established 1Cs willingly. The Sabres can vastly overpay, trade for an older guy as a placeholder, or develop a team like there isn't one coming and hope one is found in the draft in the next few years. And right now, they're shaping the lineup like the latter.
- TheSabresTaco

Do they really have a choice regarding the bold?

Think I misspoke earlier. OJ Howard is going to UFA, Njoku was franchised.

Forsberg (ext in place) for both firsts and Asplund

or

1st, Mittelstadt, Jokiharju.
- TheSabresTaco

Do you have it written in blood that Forsberg is extending with Buffalo long term?

Do they really have a choice regarding the bold?
- kingcong39

Well, no, which is why they're doing it. As opposed to the Jason Botterill method of doing nothing but flailing in the (frank)ing pool.

Do you have it written in blood that Forsberg is extending with Buffalo long term?
- kingcong39

yes

This is false. You're completely ignoring all of the U23 forwards here and Tuch. They are missing a high end offensive talent (which may be here in Quinn eventually) but their model appears to be committee offense.

I'm not the guy that says just wait to incorporate the next draft pick. I'm well aware of their limited impacts not named McEichel Matthews. There's some work to do via trades to incorporate one or two high end offensive pieces and one or two RHDs (leaving goalie out of this) and simple analytics easily shows their deficiencies beyond simply youth.

Teams don't trade established 1Cs willingly. The Sabres can vastly overpay, trade for an older guy as a placeholder, or develop a team like there isn't one coming and hope one is found in the draft in the next few years. And right now, they're shaping the lineup like the latter.
- TheSabresTaco

I watch the games, there is no elite forward u23 in the organization, I don't see an elite 1C in the draft either. The sabres have a good supply of quality middle 6 players, Quinn will be one of them as well, he will not be elite.

Offense by committee...without elite forwards. The Sabres had 2 1st overalls and picked defenseman, they are currently looking for a vet to play with Power, they are not doing that for any forward on the team. That is building around Power.

They are building to make 2 dman faces of the franchise and hope a offense by committee is enough to get them over the hump.

Not that it was really a possibility before but everyone can cross Christian Kirk off the wish list.

He’s all the sudden going to be WR 2-4 in FA

Need both. Have always been in that camp.

Now having an elite D and a high powered committee offense? It's an interesting path.
- TheSabresTaco

The St. Louis Blues did it by grinding other teams into the ice, what is this offense by committees specialty?

I watch the games, there is no elite forward u23 in the organization, I don't see an elite 1C in the draft either. The sabres have a good supply of quality middle 6 players, Quinn will be one of them as well, he will not be elite.

Offense by committee...without elite forwards. The Sabres had 2 1st overalls and picked defenseman, they are currently looking for a vet to play with Power, they are not doing that for any forward on the team. That is building around Power.

They are building to make 2 dman faces of the franchise and hope a offense by committee is enough to get them over the hump.
- Theguywiththething

I'd like your takes on when to expect oil to settle out

The St. Louis Blues did it by grinding other teams into the ice, what is this offense by committees specialty?
- Theguywiththething

Are you irritated by my assumption that the team is projecting to be an offense by committee team or are you irritated that you think I somehow think that they can win it all by a presumed offense by committee

Not that it was really a possibility before but everyone can cross Christian Kirk off the wish list.

He’s all the sudden going to be WR 2-4 in FA
- sbroads24

Spend the asset on a top two pick WR. That money can be spent on a more important position. Kirk's getting a fat paycheck that would ultimately be a luxury player. Go sign Humphries for a year, he does the same poop as Beasley at a worse rate.

I'd like your takes on when to expect oil to settle out
- TheSabresTaco

When the green new deal female genitalias pull their musty bloody rags out of their dusty loose holes and allow Biden to use other options other than buy a $60k electric vehicle that will be delivered in 8 months...unitl then have a margarita.

I'd like your takes on when to expect oil to settle out
- TheSabresTaco

as soon as the oil companies stop using unrest to price gouge

or

when politicians are no longer allowed to own stock in oil companies...

When the green new deal female genitalias pull their musty bloody rags out of their dusty loose holes and allow Biden to use other options other than buy a $60k electric vehicle that will be delivered in 8 months...unitl then have a margarita.
- Theguywiththething

guess i'll just be jackin' it in San Diego till then.

Think I misspoke earlier. OJ Howard is going to UFA, Njoku was franchised.
- TheSabresTaco

oh my

Are you irritated by my assumption that the team is projecting to be an offense by committee team or are you irritated that you think I somehow think that they can win it all by a presumed offense by committee
- TheSabresTaco

I'm not irritated at all, it's very obvious this group is mediocre with the promise to develop into middle of the pack talent. I fail to follow your blind faith that an organization with a 13 year losing record in every facet of a running a company is choosing a route that is a low % chance of winning anything compared to the rest of the league.

It's not out of this world to question that the Pegulas 3rd try still won't work.

I'm not irritated at all, it's very obvious this group is mediocre with the promise to develop into middle of the pack talent. I fail to follow your blind faith that an organization with a 13 year losing record in every facet of a running a company is choosing a route that is a low % chance of winning anything compared to the rest of the league.

It's not out of this world to question that the Pegulas 3rd try still won't work.
- Theguywiththething

you must be new here.

guess i'll just be jackin' it in San Diego till then.
- TheSabresTaco

its jack by committee over there

Please do not mistake my interpretation of what they're doing and how they're trending, from knowing that it will be successful.

I'm saying it can be successful with the right players, and we are clearly not there yet, both with youth and actual missing players.

Has Vogl lost it...?

Has Vogl lost it...?


- kingcong39

So, when you're promoting a product, usually what you want to do is tell people why it's good to have.

Has Vogl lost it...?


- kingcong39

Shhhhhh...

Remember, other GM's are morons.

Please do not mistake my interpretation of what they're doing and how they're trending, from knowing that it will be successful.

I'm saying it can be successful with the right players, and we are clearly not there yet, both with youth and actual missing players.
- TheSabresTaco

Your interpretation was wrong, they are not building around an offense by committee, they are forced to do that while building around Power and hopefully Dahlin. Quinn is not a savior by any means just another quality asset to hopefully help out.

Who are the right players to make it work?

Has Vogl lost it...?


- kingcong39

56% FO - Effective

$2.25m - Economic

Mid round pick - Efficient


Vogl is TPegs confirmed