From what I read the Kings see Clarke as their future replacement for Doughty. I don’t think he’s available. I’m not even sure they’d make Turcotte available. - hereticpride
No offense to you, but I am sick and tired of reading posts that state this team would not give up their future, or that team would not give up their future. Its the freak'n trade deadline and teams that believe they are 1 or 2 players away from have a serious chance at a Cup have to be willing to mortgage some of their future for the here and now. Maybe Clarke replaces Doughty someday, or maybe he gets hurt tomorrow and misses an entire season as we have seen so many Flyer's prospects do. If teams feel they have a legitimate shot at the cup, they need and will do all that is necessary in the present to maximize their chances. Teams that want to dip one toe in the pool and the other in the ocean end up in neither from my experience. You are either all in on the present or all in on the future, can't have it both ways. If LA seriously believes they have a chance at a cup this year and want to maximize the final years of Quick, Doughty and Kopitar, Clarke will be traded, plain and simple.
I looked up and down the Florida system and honestly If I am trading G I want Lundell, plain and simple. The Flyers need to obtain top end talent, and Lundell is proving that he may be a potential 1C to replace G. Right now he is behind Barkov and Bennett, and that means on Florida Lundell is destined to be the 3C for quite a while. I'm not sure what else Florida needs since they have a pretty solid lineup across the board but G at 3C would be an upgrade for this year and maybe next year. If I'm the Flyers, I look to see if G would be willing to sign an extension with Florida and then get Lundell in return. The only other potential top 6 forwards at Florida is Tippet and Denisenko, who has decent size, speed and ceiling, but already has the reputation of playing on the perimeter, soft and poorly in his own end. The Flyers have enough Denisenko's on their team and in their system already, and frankly Tippet with next year's 2023 1st round pick is not enough for G IMO. I want Lundell. - jd250
The potential trade talks between the Flyers and Florida and conversations between Giroux and the Flyers will not likely include his willingness to re-sign with a team he is traded to.
No offense to you, but I am sick and tired of reading posts that state this team would not give up their future, or that team would not give up their future. Its the freak'n trade deadline and teams that believe they are 1 or 2 players away from have a serious chance at a Cup have to be willing to mortgage some of their future for the here and now. Maybe Clarke replaces Doughty someday, or maybe he gets hurt tomorrow and misses an entire season as we have seen so many Flyer's prospects do. If teams feel they have a legitimate shot at the cup, they need and will do all that is necessary in the present to maximize their chances. Teams that want to dip one toe in the pool and the other in the ocean end up in neither from my experience. You are either all in on the present or all in on the future, can't have it both ways. If LA seriously believes they have a chance at a cup this year and want to maximize the final years of Quick, Doughty and Kopitar, Clarke will be traded, plain and simple. - jd250
That poster nor any other poster have not said that a team would not give up their future. Don't know where you're getting that from. They're simply stating that some top rated prospects will not likely be available. I think you're going to be disappointed come the trade deadline.
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I looked up and down the Florida system and honestly If I am trading G I want Lundell, plain and simple. The Flyers need to obtain top end talent, and Lundell is proving that he may be a potential 1C to replace G. Right now he is behind Barkov and Bennett, and that means on Florida Lundell is destined to be the 3C for quite a while. I'm not sure what else Florida needs since they have a pretty solid lineup across the board but G at 3C would be an upgrade for this year and maybe next year. If I'm the Flyers, I look to see if G would be willing to sign an extension with Florida and then get Lundell in return. The only other potential top 6 forwards at Florida is Tippet and Denisenko, who has decent size, speed and ceiling, but already has the reputation of playing on the perimeter, soft and poorly in his own end. The Flyers have enough Denisenko's on their team and in their system already, and frankly Tippet with next year's 2023 1st round pick is not enough for G IMO. I want Lundell. - jd250
That poster nor any other poster have not said that a team would not give up their future. Don't know where you're getting that from. They're simply stating that some top rated prospects will not likely be available. I think you're going to be disappointed come the trade deadline. - MJL
Maybe ... then again maybe not. The trade deadline is an opportunity for the Flyers to reset things here and get some players with strong top 6 potential, either via draft assets or NHL ready prospects. The Flyers cannot settle for more middling players, they have a plethora of middling players already, and yes I do know what a plethora is :-)
Says who, a Florida executive? If I am Fletcher, in the spirit of Danny Noonan when told by Tony "I ain't paying no 50 cents for no coke", I reply "Ah-ha then you ain't getting no coke!". We have weeks before the deadline and if I am Fletcher I am holding up for as long as possible.
That poster nor any other poster have not said that a team would not give up their future. Don't know where you're getting that from. They're simply stating that some top rated prospects will not likely be available. I think you're going to be disappointed come the trade deadline. - MJL
I understand what this and other posters are saying, I just don't agree with it.
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Mar 7 @ 8:52 AM ET
Says who, a Florida executive? If I am Fletcher, in the spirit of Danny Noonan when told by Tony "I ain't paying no 50 cents for no coke", I reply "Ah-ha then you ain't getting no coke!". We have weeks before the deadline and if I am Fletcher I am holding up for as long as possible. - jd250
Fletcher can hold out as long as he wants, he won't get Lundell. A 20 year old, cost controlled center who has 2 less points than Giroux this year. Barkov's cap hit jumps to $10 million next year. Lundell is costing them $925,000 against the cap for the next two seasons. If the rumors are true and they balked at the idea of trading him for Chychrun, why would they trade him for a rental?
Says who, a Florida executive? If I am Fletcher, in the spirit of Danny Noonan when told by Tony "I ain't paying no 50 cents for no coke", I reply "Ah-ha then you ain't getting no coke!". We have weeks before the deadline and if I am Fletcher I am holding up for as long as possible. - jd250
What in your little toybox mind thinks that Fletch has the stones and negotiating skills to hold out and stand strong to pry an overpayment in any deal hahahahaha
What in your little toybox mind thinks that Fletch has the stones and negotiating skills to hold out and stand strong to pry an overpayment in any deal hahahahaha - THE BLACK HAND
Maybe ... then again maybe not. The trade deadline is an opportunity for the Flyers to reset things here and get some players with strong top 6 potential, either via draft assets or NHL ready prospects. The Flyers cannot settle for more middling players, they have a plethora of middling players already, and yes I do know what a plethora is :-) - jd250
The Flyers are going to have to settle for the best deals they can get. I think your expectations of what is going to happen here at this deadline are too optimistic.
Fletcher can hold out as long as he wants, he won't get Lundell. A 20 year old, cost controlled center who has 2 less points than Giroux this year. Barkov's cap hit jumps to $10 million next year. Lundell is costing them $925,000 against the cap for the next two seasons. If the rumors are true and they balked at the idea of trading him for Chychrun, why would they trade him for a rental? - TobyFlenderson
It's laughable that he thinks the Flyers can get Lundell for Giroux at the deadline.
Fletcher can hold out as long as he wants, he won't get Lundell. A 20 year old, cost controlled center who has 2 less points than Giroux this year. Barkov's cap hit jumps to $10 million next year. Lundell is costing them $925,000 against the cap for the next two seasons. If the rumors are true and they balked at the idea of trading him for Chychrun, why would they trade him for a rental? - TobyFlenderson
That is a great reason for Fla to keep him. Owen Tippet is nowhere near the same guy. Fletch can't settle for a dog with fleas when he is selling off Claude. A much improved shot at an SC is worth more than a 1st rounder who is middling so far.
The Flyers are going to have to settle for the best deals they can get. I think your expectations of what is going to happen here at this deadline are too optimistic. - MJL
They probably are, but as I said this is Fletcher's one chance to really propel this forward. With Florida maybe you push for Lundell and you settle for both Tippet and Denisenko, the idea is both players are young and flawed, but maybe 1 hits and if you are extremely luck, both hit. I think Florida could give up both prospects and not impact their future all that much.
I looked up and down the Florida system and honestly If I am trading G I want Lundell, plain and simple. The Flyers need to obtain top end talent, and Lundell is proving that he may be a potential 1C to replace G. Right now he is behind Barkov and Bennett, and that means on Florida Lundell is destined to be the 3C for quite a while. I'm not sure what else Florida needs since they have a pretty solid lineup across the board but G at 3C would be an upgrade for this year and maybe next year. If I'm the Flyers, I look to see if G would be willing to sign an extension with Florida and then get Lundell in return. The only other potential top 6 forwards at Florida is Tippet and Denisenko, who has decent size, speed and ceiling, but already has the reputation of playing on the perimeter, soft and poorly in his own end. The Flyers have enough Denisenko's on their team and in their system already, and frankly Tippet with next year's 2023 1st round pick is not enough for G IMO. I want Lundell. - jd250
Chuck is s shrewd negotiator. So i have no doubt he will make it happen.
Spot on about Jake and Tippet. If the Flyers are trading G they need a potential 1C replacement, and for me that is Newhook from the Aves or Lundell from Florida. Stand firm Fletcher, don't settle for just more crap from other teams! If you have to package Risto and G together which would put any contending team over the top IMO. - jd250
You are not getting a #1 potential center for CC. RR does not put any team over or near the top. Stop with the felating of RR
Maybe ... then again maybe not. The trade deadline is an opportunity for the Flyers to reset things here and get some players with strong top 6 potential, either via draft assets or NHL ready prospects. The Flyers cannot settle for more middling players, they have a plethora of middling players already, and yes I do know what a plethora is :-) - jd250
What players will the flyers likely trade at the deadline that will bring back what you are asking for? They have 1 players and that is CC.
You have way to much faith in the GM and put way to much value attached to RR
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Mar 7 @ 10:23 AM ET
They probably are, but as I said this is Fletcher's one chance to really propel this forward. With Florida maybe you push for Lundell and you settle for both Tippet and Denisenko, the idea is both players are young and flawed, but maybe 1 hits and if you are extremely luck, both hit. I think Florida could give up both prospects and not impact their future all that much. - jd250
What makes you think chuckles can propel this team forward?
They are no better today then they were when he got hired
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Mar 7 @ 10:47 AM ET
That is a great reason for Fla to keep him. Owen Tippet is nowhere near the same guy. Fletch can't settle for a dog with fleas when he is selling off Claude. A much improved shot at an SC is worth more than a 1st rounder who is middling so far. - iamscore2day
Exactly why Tippett is more likely to be included in the deal. It also won't be just Tippett. I imagine Fletcher is asking for the 2023 first round pick in any prospective deals. That would be the headliner. If they can get Florida's 2023 first round pick, Tippett and a prospect like Benning or Samoskevich, Fletcher would be stupid to turn that down.
