ATRP - At The Right Price
We can say we want major changes. We can say at any price. But when trades are made and the return is underwhelming we will be critical of KD and say he was too inexperienced for the position.

I am ok with them moving any player on the roster ATRP.

Yeah I think the HS type cliques are a thing of a past and most of can engage and respect opinions even without agreeing to them.

I do miss some of the older posters that i had been engaging with since the Sassone blog on the DH back in 2006 but what can you do?

I hope we see smart moves...for the present and the future. Thats all I can ask for from Davidson.
- SteveRain

My hope is Davidson can somehow build the team like the 2010 team. A team that play anyway dirty nasty physical games skill and speed game a defensive style game. If he can get some resembles of that team hawks will be on the right track to success for long time imo. It start at this tdl.

My mentioning Faulkner is 2 fold. It's mental masterbation and to point out what a complete and total farce the organIzation has come to be that Danny, who's lack of hockey acumen led him to extend and promote Stan this last off season, and a money lady that knows jack about hockey are the two that decides who will be the top hockey mind in the franchise. .......... To me it's disrespectful to the sport, the organIzation and the fans of the league but what choice did they have as they've let the franchise sink to this level.

Simply said I never want to hear her name again. As a fan of the club, why? What can she, or any biz person, possibly say to me that has to do with hockey? Her, or any biz person on the payroll, should never ever ever be allowed near the hockey side. Period.

And under Danny I think most fans realize Shovel Face was involved in hockey ops. The precedent has been set for the biz side to be involved in the hockey side.
- Mr Ricochet

The hockey and the business are one in the same.

The person on the hockey ops side is answerable to the business and it only makes sense that it would be a person that is vetted by all parts of the exec team.

I'm in the camp where Danny, Faulkner and Edzo are as weak a group to evaluate and hire the top hockey mind in an organIzation. You feel that's fine and reasonable. We agree to disagree, Chunk.
- Mr Ricochet

1) And a number of other people (Hossa, Sharp, Scotty Bowman, the Forde group, etc).
2) I'm ambivalent about who is making the decision. We have absolutely zero control over who makes that decision as they own the team. All I care about is that a competent person was hired. Of the ones that they interviewed, Davidson is as qualified as any (in some cases more so).

If Davidson ends up being a good GM, does your opinion change, or is it just dumb luck?

Absolutely amazing the club had no analytics department. Makes much more sense now why they've had trouble evaluating and developing. They came to the arena with 1/2 their brains tied behind their backs.

No doubt there is no silver bullet. In today's game you need analytics, the ability to turn that data into usable info and scouting.
- Mr Ricochet

I've never been real big on analytics. It's useless for the obvious high picks. But I'm coming around a bit to analytics for the mid to lower round picks. Kind of like an electronic fish finder on a boat which saves time searching by making it more obvious where to look as long as you know what to look for. It should make the scouts more efficient if they get the data that matters.

If Hagel gets traded......we may see a return of the MODs like that Yetti and the ghost of Eli. That would be entertaining.

IF they do nothing and stand pat, my faith in Davidson rapidly diminishes like a new car being driven off the lot.
- SteveRain

But according to you, who do they have to trade? They all suck, like LA constantly points out

I've never been real big on analytics. It's useless for the obvious high picks. But I'm coming around a bit to analytics for the mid to lower round picks. Kind of like an electronic fish finder on a boat which saves time searching by making it more obvious where to look as long as you know what to look for. It should make the scouts more efficient if they get the data that matters.
- 6628

Now the Hawks have to come up with the right formula, i purchased the panoptics live scope last year, game changer especially if you mount to the front of the boat

My hope is Davidson can somehow build the team like the 2010 team. A team that play anyway dirty nasty physical games skill and speed game a defensive style game. If he can get some resembles of that team hawks will be on the right track to success for long time imo. It start at this tdl.
- Scott1977

We need a lot of help from the draft here.

Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith, Bolland, Brouwer, Buff, Bickell, Hammer, Crow, Krueger, Saad, Shaw were all homegrown talent.

If no cap, trades we would still have Teuvo, Hartman, Hayes, Schmaltz and Danault... These guys would be great secondary and primary help for Kane and Toews now. Darn quests to win the cup...

Not bad scouting for a good period of time... In recent times we got the Cat. And time will tell with Dach, Reichel and the young D we have.

But according to you, who do they have to trade? They all suck, like LA constantly points out
- BetweenTheDots

What? I have been saying all along to trade anyone and everyone. Veterans, young guys, doesn't matter to me. IMO....you don't have enough pieces to establish a "core"

I have NO clue what the buying price is vs the asking price...as does anyone here. We can speculate all day but usually prices come in a little higher than anticipated.

What? I have been saying all along to trade anyone and everyone. Veterans, young guys, doesn't matter to me. IMO....you don't have enough pieces to establish a "core"

I have NO clue what the buying price is vs the asking price...as does anyone here. We can speculate all day but usually prices come in a little higher than anticipated.
- SteveRain

That's the rub though, who would of thought Forsling and Duclair would be some pretty good pieces when they got older and were surrounded by good hockey players?

Can we say if Kubalik has a good center and a power forward, he instantly can be an over 50 point player in this league?

1) And a number of other people (Hossa, Sharp, Scotty Bowman, the Forde group, etc).
2) I'm ambivalent about who is making the decision. We have absolutely zero control over who makes that decision as they own the team. All I care about is that a competent person was hired. Of the ones that they interviewed, Davidson is as qualified as any (in some cases more so).

If Davidson ends up being a good GM, does your opinion change, or is it just dumb luck?
- Chunk

Oh no Mr Chunk, I have 100% control. I boycotted these bastards for 23 yrs, twenty three, until the day the old man died and got on the phone immediately and ordered a 10 game package which led to seasons the next yr all the way to today. Not a nickel of my money for 23 yrs. Who has the control the owners or the fans, Chunk?? We decide if it was the right hire. The fan will or won't be reupping on season tix.

And I'll be redundant. Posted from the start love KD's story of starting as an unpaid intern and even more now, the kid has had 3 open heart surgeries!! Posted I think the only thing stopping him from being a successful GM is Danny. Kid has never failed and I rarely bet against an undefeated horse.

Also posted way back having Forde in on the process was wonderful for a person who wondered if Danny and Faulkner could make the correct hire or even begin to know the process of finding that person. That guaranteed the fan there would be an adult in the room.

Also posted if any franchise needs 22 sets of eyes from outside the organIzation it's the Hawks. ...... That was my biggest concern hiring KD as the top hockey mind but I ain't betting against this guy.

Did I answer your questions, Chunk?

That's the rub though, who would of thought Forsling and Duclair would be some pretty good pieces when they got older and were surrounded by good hockey players?

Can we say if Kubalik has a good center and a power forward, he instantly can be an over 50 point player in this league?
- BetweenTheDots

do you know if Kubalik is going to be good in 3-5 years still? Healthy? Neither do I.

So what's the point having some of these guys around that you can POTENTIALLY sell off and recoup some assets you badly need to replenish your organization?

I really don't understand how it's that hard for people to understand to get good again, they likely have to get worse.....

Biggest win today is the commitment & backing for a proper rebuild. No other way can dig us completely out of the hole that the team is and will be falling deeper into.

Now hopefully we can detonate what’s left for whatever value and start on as much of a clean slate as possible to build on. Big player questions are does Kane want to stick around and will Jones get jettisoned before his new contract?

The biggest question of course is did they get the hire right?… That will be the difference in us competing for the Cup again in 3-5 years vs 7-10 years. All we can do is hope now they did. I miss real playoff hockey.. hope to not wait as long again

That's the rub though, who would of thought Forsling and Duclair would be some pretty good pieces when they got older and were surrounded by good hockey players?

Can we say if Kubalik has a good center and a power forward, he instantly can be an over 50 point player in this league?
- BetweenTheDots

No, the year he had 30 goals he had a unsustainable 20 % shooting percentage. Plus he is so bad in all other area’s he only see’s 13 minutes a night. For $4 mil. Next year if you can t trade him don t qualify him. He has been on the team 3 years. What are the Hawks record in those 3 years, he is not going he will be 27 next year. Might as well sign Pirri for league minimum. Same player for over $3 mil. Less.

Oh no Mr Chunk, I have 100% control. I boycotted these bastards for 23 yrs, twenty three, until the day the old man died and got on the phone immediately and ordered a 10 game package which led to seasons the next yr all the way to today. Not a nickel of my money for 23 yrs. Who has the control the owners or the fans, Chunk?? We decide if it was the right hire. The fan will or won't be reupping on season tix.

And I'll be redundant. Posted from the start love KD's story of starting as an unpaid intern and even more now, the kid has had 3 open heart surgeries!! Posted I think the only thing stopping him from being a successful GM is Danny. Kid has never failed and I rarely bet against an undefeated horse.

Also posted way back having Forde in on the process was wonderful for a person who wondered if Danny and Faulkner could make the correct hire or even begin to know the process of finding that person. That guaranteed the fan there would be an adult in the room.

Also posted if any franchise needs 22 sets of eyes from outside the organIzation it's the Hawks. ...... That was my biggest concern hiring KD as the top hockey mind but I ain't betting against this guy.

Did I answer your questions, Chunk?
- Mr Ricochet

Not that you owe me anything at all, but sure - to an extent. While I fully support you not spending a dime on them (I've actually done the same with the Bears), that has absolutely no bearing on who is actually calling the shots. Rocky/the ownership group does. They will decide if Danny is not the right guy for the job, not you or I.

The only thing that the fans decide is if their money is worth spending on the team. the only determinant as to whether it is a good or bad hire is if he gets the team back into contention. If he does that, by and large the money comes back.

I get where you are coming from, and don't begrudge you for a minute. I just know that a winning on ice product will keep the money flowing regardless of who is calling the shots.

I've never been real big on analytics. It's useless for the obvious high picks. But I'm coming around a bit to analytics for the mid to lower round picks. Kind of like an electronic fish finder on a boat which saves time searching by making it more obvious where to look as long as you know what to look for. It should make the scouts more efficient if they get the data that matters.
- 6628

It is best when used to pinpoint players around the league who have good underlying numbers and a re poised to breakout

a guy like Verhage for example. Had vg metrics and now is showing the results.

That's the rub though, who would of thought Forsling and Duclair would be some pretty good pieces when they got older and were surrounded by good hockey players?

Can we say if Kubalik has a good center and a power forward, he instantly can be an over 50 point player in this league?
- BetweenTheDots

Forsling did show a lot of potential when he was here. He played well for long stretches and then would seem to have a crisis of confidence.

Duclair was dumped by 3 teams before he finally made a commitment to himself. He had talent but it probably took him realizing he was going to lose a lot of money if he lept half-assing his way through the league.

Biggest win today is the commitment & backing for a proper rebuild. No other way can dig us completely out of the hole that the team is and will be falling deeper into.

Now hopefully we can detonate what’s left for whatever value and start on as much of a clean slate as possible to build on. Big player questions are does Kane want to stick around and will Jones get jettisoned before his new contract?

The biggest question of course is did they get the hire right?… That will be the difference in us competing for the Cup again in 3-5 years vs 7-10 years. All we can do is hope now they did. I miss real playoff hockey.. hope to not wait as long again
- TheDrumonMadison

Right on, DrumMan. How many yrs has a Hawk fan begged for a plan, any plan, and let it come to fruition. Pick a lane. Today we heard the GM say we're gonna come up with a rebuild plan, be patient with it, and then mention he doesn't wanna put a number on it but 3-5 yrs whatever it takes and his boss back him up on that using the same terms.

Assuming they keep their word most every Hawk fan's prayers are answered on that account.

Add they spoke a good bit about building an analytics department and process's and we all heard some good things today. ....... All foundational do it the right way kinda speak.

Right on, DrumMan. How many yrs has a Hawk fan begged for a plan, any plan, and let it come to fruition. Pick a lane. Today we heard the GM say we're gonna come up with a rebuild plan, be patient with it, and then mention he doesn't wanna put a number on it but 3-5 yrs whatever it takes and his boss back him up on that using the same terms.

Assuming they keep their word most every Hawk fan's prayers are answered on that account.

Add they spoke a good bit about building an analytics department and process's and we all heard some good things today. ....... All foundational do it the right way kinda speak.
- Mr Ricochet

Agree reading between the lines is that hawks are open for business on everyone..also if someone is not on board with a rebuild then that will be moved ( Jones towes Kane).

Now the Hawks have to come up with the right formula, i purchased the panoptics live scope last year, game changer especially if you mount to the front of the boat
- BetweenTheDots

I don't have the live scope . Yet. I use the side and down image mostly. But the live scope looks cool, almost like cheating. I popped for the Ipilot first.

It is best when used to pinpoint players around the league who have good underlying numbers and a re poised to breakout

a guy like Verhage for example. Had vg metrics and now is showing the results.
- Elbows15

That's what I was trying to say. You said it better.

New blog! Thoughts on the start of a new era of Blackhawks hockey (i.e. rebuild) with general manager Kyle Davidson permanently at the helm.

Plus, updates on injured Hawks players and the IceHogs goalie situation.

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