who said anything about rushing them up? I would think/hope with a new GM he would have learned that isn't the best case.

I don't get the mindset of keeping these pieces together when the results continue to show it's not working. It's insanity. Agree to disagree.
- SteveRain

I don't say keep the entire team, oh for sure not, but you still need a veteran presence to make it through a season.

Sure, and what do you get back besides a bunch of Brandon Mannings?

Kane is the only one that will return anything that will resemble a top prospect. Jones is untradeable, just going to have to deal with it. Trade Hagel?, this board had agena when it was suggested last week. Who would give anything for the bunch of junk you are offering up?
- LAHawk

Preferably a poop ton of draft picks

Yes, this team needs to establish some kind of identify. We are neither skilled nor tough to play against. This has evolved into a very boring team to watch.
- 67hawks

I watch Lundell on the Panthers and sure the kid is good, but having Marchment on that line helps them you have that pain in the ass Gudas as well at the blue line. These kind of players really help skilled players, Kubs didn't get bad all of a sudden but he really was put in a position to succeed when he was on the same line as Toews and Saad.

Preferably a poop ton of draft picks
- Ogilthorpe2

I will say trading Kubalik for a 4th is addition by subtraction. Same with Carpenter, de Haan etc.

Marchment will be a FA and that would be the kind of players i would target

No, but tearing the whole thing down to the studs is not the only way to steadily improve the club. Lets just see what the Hawks vision is, whatever it is, this BOD will hate it.
- LAHawk

Well, obviously you don’t trade everyone, but everyone should be available for the right price. Very few players on the current roster are likely to be around/contributors when the team is good again.

Sure, and what do you get back besides a bunch of Brandon Mannings?

Kane is the only one that will return anything that will resemble a top prospect. Jones is untradeable, just going to have to deal with it. Trade Hagel?, this board had agena when it was suggested last week. Who would give anything for the bunch of junk you are offering up?
- LAHawk

LA, the Hawks will have to utilize every option available to climb out of this significant hole they're in. Trades, NCAA/Euro/NHL free agents, the draft, but the backbone is the draft and they have to hit on some 6th, 3rd and 1st rounders. And we all know the percentages of hitting in the draft, especially outside the 1st rd, are slim.

So, you can not get a difference maker outside the draft (yes there are outliers) but the percentages of hitting in the draft are small. A riddle. What do you do?

So, you collect a load of draft picks, scout/evaluate correctly and take 30 swings in 3 yrs.

No, you don't trade Carpenter, Strome, MAF, de Haan for Brandon Manning and a clubs 11th best prospect. You collect as many and as high of draft picks as you can and start swinging. Get a Hagel in the 6th, a Saad/Dcat in the 2nd. Trade 3 3rds to move up to the 7th pick in the 2nd rd. ..............

What you call junk, TOR thinks de Haan is the missing piece on D. What you all junk Carpenter is the 4th line vet LVG needs. What you all junk Strome fills a middle 6 role for a playoff contender to replace an injured forward. What you call junk LA, WSH or PITT sees Kubalik as a 3rd line scoring option with a +++ NHL shot.

No, they didn't bring back 5 Mannings but a 2nd, a 3rd, a 4th and a two 5ths. That's 5 swings they didn't have to swing for a Hagel/Dcat/Saad or picks to move up in the draft to swing with a bigger bat.

LA, the Hawks will have to utilize every option available to climb out of this significant hole they're in. Trades, NCAA/Euro/NHL free agents, the draft, but the backbone is the draft and they have to hit on some 6th, 3rd and 1st rounders. And we all know the percentages of hitting in the draft, especially outside the 1st rd, are slim.

So, you can not get a difference maker outside the draft (yes there are outliers) but the percentages of hitting in the draft are small. A riddle. What do you do?

So, you collect a load of draft picks, scout/evaluate correctly and take 30 swings in 3 yrs.

No, you don't trade Carpenter, Strome, MAF, de Haan for Brandon Manning and a clubs 11th best prospect. You collect as many and as high of draft picks as you can and start swinging. Get a Hagel in the 6th, a Saad/Dcat in the 2nd. Trade 3 3rds to move up to the 7th pick in the 2nd rd. ..............

What you call junk, TOR thinks de Haan is the missing piece on D. What you all junk Carpenter is the 4th line vet LVG needs. What you all junk Strome fills a middle 6 role for a playoff contender needs to replace an injured forward. What you call junk LA or PITT sees Kubalik as a 3rd line scoring option with a +++ NHL shot.

No, they didn't bring back 5 Mannings but a 2nd, a 3rd, a 4th and a two 5ths. That's 5 swings they didn't have to swing for a Hagel/Dcat/Saad or picks to move up in the draft to swing with a bigger bat.
- Mr Ricochet

if Davidson can get that back in what has become a SELLERS market this year, I will say he worked miracles. For every de Haan there is a Giordano, Chariot. For every Hagel there is a Pavel Zacha, for every Carpenter, there is a Lehkonen, Jancrock, for every Kubalik, wouldn't you rather rent Grioux? Kessel? Stasny?

And it would not surprise me if a lot of young talent on this team went no where at the TDL. It seems the word used often by many in the org is patience.
- BetweenTheDots

At trade deadliness you simply never know.
I never expected StanBo would make som many trades and they are were encouraging whether they turned out or not...they gave away a little and changed things.

I guess I was one of the few thinking they really might go outside the organization, but I guess the new look includes persons who they feel will enhance the new protocols against another Beach like controversy.
This doesn't mean I think Davidson is already considered a good ole boy with the rest of the GMs...but I am happy this is over because you want to TRY and make a trade before the onslaught...because you get more...like Toffoli cost as much as he did.

I have more hopes in better draft pick returns if they deal sooner.

Not so sure teams are going to be offering their top already drafted prospects but if the hawks can sell a wanted player, handle part of the salary, that puts them in a nice shot to ask for a higher return.

I am going to assume that Davidson knows every prospect on every team and knows where to start asking.

I would ask for lots of 2023 1-3rd rounders, and if you can recoup a first it doesn't matter (expept you arewaitunbg longer for a 2023 guy) if it is 2023.

I watch Lundell on the Panthers and sure the kid is good, but having Marchment on that line helps them you have that pain in the ass Gudas as well at the blue line. These kind of players really help skilled players, Kubs didn't get bad all of a sudden but he really was put in a position to succeed when he was on the same line as Toews and Saad.
- BetweenTheDots

Lafferty was supposed to be that kind of player, right? Likely not as much offensive upside, but that kind of player.

Other than that, the Hawks have Hagel, maybe Entwistle, and that's about it. If Dach could amp up his temperament to that level I would think it would greatly benefit him.

Lafferty was supposed to be that kind of player, right? Likely not as much offensive upside, but that kind of player.

Other than that, the Hawks have Hagel, maybe Entwistle, and that's about it. If Dach could amp up his temperament to that level I would think it would greatly benefit him.
- Chunk

Not really Lafferty isn't mean enough, why not sign a guy who can get away with cross checking opponents in the head

Not really Lafferty isn't mean enough, why not sign a guy who can get away with cross checking opponents in the head
- BetweenTheDots

Even when he was a Blackhawk, I hated the way his father played. One of the dirtiest.

You can say that but after reading here for a dozen years and witnessing all the whining and moaning even when the team was winning leaves me a doubter.

I hope to witness another boon for this team but don’t anticipate anything different from the fan base…at least here anyway.
- HawkintheD

Lafferty was supposed to be that kind of player, right? Likely not as much offensive upside, but that kind of player.

Other than that, the Hawks have Hagel, maybe Entwistle, and that's about it. If Dach could amp up his temperament to that level I would think it would greatly benefit him.
- Chunk

Marchment has never put up numbers until
this year, I’m thinking that Florida’s talent level throughout their lineup is helping his cause, so buyer beware. I do like him, he also has size, but not sure he will be worth his next contract.

Marchment has never put up numbers until
this year, I’m thinking that Florida’s talent level throughout their lineup is helping his cause, so buyer beware. I do like him, he also has size, but not sure he will be worth his next contract.
- Angotti

You mean like Michael Bunting with the Leafs?

if Davidson can get that back in what has become a SELLERS market this year, I will say he worked miracles. For every de Haan there is a Giordano, Chariot. For every Hagel there is a Pavel Zacha, for every Carpenter, there is a Lehkonen, Jancrock, for every Kubalik, wouldn't you rather rent Grioux? Kessel? Stasny?
- LAHawk

Read you enough to know you will not change your views, and that's fine. But if refuse to take into account what a cap hit difference is between Gio and de Haan or a Hagel and Giroux or Hagel and Zacha or the different skill sets a Kubalik/Strome brings compared to Lehkonen you don't really wanna converse. And ditto if you think de Haan, MAF, Carpenter, Strome, Kubalik can't bring back a couple 5ths, a 4th, a 3rd and a 2nd is a MIRACLE... You're wrong LA, they ain't junk they are garbage left out in the sun for 2 months.

Doubt all 5 are moved, used them to make a point you find weak, but I'm sure KD and Faulkner are gonna try. ......... Get as many draft picks as you can and start swinging.

Read you enough to know you will not change your views, and that's fine. But if refuse to take into account what a cap hit difference is between Gio and de Haan or a Hagel and Giroux or Hagel and Zacha or the different skill sets a Kubalik/Strome brings compared to Lehkonen you don't really wanna converse. And ditto if you think de Haan, MAF, Carpenter, Strome, Kubalik can't bring back a couple 5ths, a 4th, a 3rd and a 2nd is a MIRACLE... You're wrong LA, they ain't junk they are garbage left out in the sun for 2 months.

Doubt all 5 are moved, used them to make a point you find weak, but I'm sure KD and Faulkner are gonna try. ......... Get as many draft picks as you can and start swinging.
- Mr Ricochet

I am all for getting whatever draft capital you can. I just think this BOD highly overrates the players on the Hawks. If they were as good as the BOD thinks, they wouldn't be in this position.

And I do remember the Hawks going from worst to first with Esposito in goal, Shmyr Wiste, Magnuson, Koroll, Pinder as rookies, with 3 of them coming from college (unheard of at the time), and one from the Canadian National team.

Marchment has never put up numbers until
this year, I’m thinking that Florida’s talent level throughout their lineup is helping his cause, so buyer beware. I do like him, he also has size, but not sure he will be worth his next contract.
- Angotti

But i definitely kick the tires on him. I'm really not interested in his scoring and someone out bids you fine. I would not mind seeing him or someone like him on the same line as Strome or Dach

I am all for getting whatever draft capital you can. I just think this BOD highly overrates the players on the Hawks. If they were as good as the BOD thinks, they wouldn't be in this position.

And I do remember the Hawks going from worst to first with Esposito in goal, Shmyr Wiste, Magnuson, Koroll, Pinder as rookies, with 3 of them coming from college (unheard of at the time), and one from the Canadian National team.
- LAHawk

I didn't know those we're equal to one another, you really seem to be the one that thinks all our prospects suck and aren't worth any NHL capital

Marchment will be a FA and that would be the kind of players i would target
- BetweenTheDots

We don't know what kinda style KD prefers or wants to play. Fancy Dan skill, heavy north-south, build from the net out, create scoring chances everything else be damned, a core of 3-4 that takes up 50% of the cap, top heavy, spread the scoring throughout?

Marchment is a 26 yr old undrafted power forward that brings grit, physicality, high motor and bangs in a few goals.

No. That's been a running theme of mine here for months. Any GM, including the hideous Stan, can only work within the framework Rocky allows.

Mohel

Well at the end of the day it is his checkbook isn't it? And he is a private company so he only has to answer to his family members doesn't he?
- LAHawk

He doesn't even do that.

Looks like KD's press conference will also be carried on You Tube for those wanting to misuse company time. https://www.youtube.com/r...hicago+blackhawks+channel

I didn't know those we're equal to one another, you really seem to be the one that thinks all our prospects suck and aren't worth any NHL capital
- BetweenTheDots

Not the Hawks prospects, the farm system is already rated in the lower half of the league, but our supposed tradeable assets.

The most tradeable asset Hagel, 2/3 of the board will throw a fit if he is dealt.

Correct but as a fan if you aren't given an outlook or vision why would you invest thousands to watch an outdated, sub standard product? I don't care if they have star wars night every night, or heritage nights, or whatever else.....I would love to see the season ticket renewal after this....only so much patience each person has to give.

So to your point....100% it's the Wirtz's family call on who they hire, who they sign, who they trade, and where they allocate their money....but it's also our call if we choose to accept and support their product either in person and/or listening on the radio/watching on tv.

You take Fleury off this roster next year (almost 95% a given)....what makes you spend your time and money on this product? I love hockey and I can barely watch 2 periods of this crap.......
- SteveRain

Rainer the hawks still had a lot of money from ticket holders from covid. There are people out there that didn't want this years tickets but they are stuck with them. So next year the hawks figure to take a double hit. And like you, I would love to know the real ticket renewal number. Good luck getting someone to blab that number.

I personally don't see him meddling with the roster. I suspect/fear Rocky will tell the new GM that he needs to at least partly focus on ticket sales; and that Rocky further believes that they won't sell tickets without at least looking like they are trying to contend. This would make it harder for the new GM to accumulate young, elite talent.
- mohel

Thats a reasonable assessment and maybe why they went with a kid instead of an adult.

But who knows. They could
Make 3 or 4 deals at the TDL and change some minds.