Ukrainians will not live under his thumb, he's gonna have to wipe them out
- OB

they resisted well, better than expected. but you need to know when you lost to avoid useless casualties. they'll be patient and get their country back one day. for good. without having to use guns.

He's gonna have to commit genocide, he's already lost this war
- OB

I'm afraid WW3 has already started.

WW2 started when Hitler started to invade Poland while the rest of the world didn't wanted to get involved.

they resisted well, better than expected. but you need to know when you lost to avoid useless casualties. they'll be patient and get their country back one day. for good. without having to use guns.
- fidopro

sounds like wishful thinking... and I consider myself as an optimist.

by "lose the war", you mean things didn't go as planned, as Putin was expecting a swift and efficient military intervention, as they like to call it?
- Pat1993

All the sanctions, the Ukrainians putting up such a fight, the global optics of what he's doing.... everything really, it's not going well to say the least.... what's his next move, even if he does take Kyiv?

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if NATO snuck in some troops in civilian clothing from the Poland Border, large part of the resistance are civilians, who would ever know? No markings, no vehicles, just soldiers.

sounds like wishful thinking... and I consider myself as an optimist.
- Pat1993

it won't take that long. difficult to say how long.

they resisted well, better than expected. but you need to know when you lost to avoid useless casualties. they'll be patient and get their country back one day. for good. without having to use guns.
- fidopro

Doubt it.... they're not laying down for him

I'm afraid WW3 has already started.

WW2 started when Hitler started to invade Poland while the rest of the world didn't wanted to get involved.
- stinger67

Hard to say but you may be right, either way, it's starting to seem inevitable

sounds like wishful thinking... and I consider myself as an optimist.
- Pat1993

They are not giving up this fight!

All the sanctions, the Ukrainians putting up such a fight, the global optics of what he's doing.... everything really, it's not going well to say the least.... what's his next move, even if he does take Kyiv?

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if NATO snuck in some troops in civilian clothing from the Poland Border, large part of the resistance are civilians, who would ever know? No markings, no vehicles, just soldiers.
- OB

Force the UN to recognize the Donbass and Crimea as a new "independent" country and re-instate the Minsk Accord to not allow NATO to have client states on their border?

Looking like the KHL may fold

Force the UN to recognize the Donbass and Crimea as a new "independent" country and re-instate the Minsk Accord to not allow NATO to have client states on their border?
- AdamFrench

Nobody is gonna do anything for him!

And besides, even if that happens, he still wants the Soviet Union back, which is gonna be a tough task to say the least

Looking like the KHL may fold
- mr.peanut

The way the Ruble is dropping...

All the sanctions, the Ukrainians putting up such a fight, the global optics of what he's doing.... everything really, it's not going well to say the least.... what's his next move, even if he does take Kyiv?

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if NATO snuck in some troops in civilian clothing from the Poland Border, large part of the resistance are civilians, who would ever know? No markings, no vehicles, just soldiers.
- OB

while that would be a very creative way of intervening, I doubt NATO opts for that kind of solution, as a geopolitical security organization it wouldn't be a good look for their credibility if it became public.

Nobody is gonna do anything for him!

And besides, even if that happens, he still wants the Soviet Union back, which is gonna be a tough task to say the least
- OB

Hey, you asked what he could possibly reasonably hope from this and I laid it out.

Looking like the KHL may fold
- mr.peanut

Where will all of the fake Kazakh's play now?

The way the Ruble is dropping...


- stinger67

Riga and Jokerit OUT. Kunlun is on life support, Kazakhstan's team is thinking of leaving, which leaves SKA and CSKA and a unchnof poverty teams

Where will all of the fake Kazakh's play now?
- AdamFrench

Up your big butt

Riga and Jokerit OUT. Kunlun is on life support, Kazakhstan's team is thinking of leaving, which leaves SKA and CSKA and a unchnof poverty teams
- mr.peanut

interesting.

so many weird things are affected that we weren't thinking about.

ty, friend.

i do the PFF mock draft sometimes. the athletic is always asking me to pay for something.
- kicksave856

Sorry had to take the dog. I don't pay for pff or the athletic but the podcasts are free on spotify and I abuse them. Specifically the athletic I like Nate Tice who is the son of a football coach and comes from a family of gamblers and often talks about some of his degenerate gambling stuff which I enjoy plus a guy (I'll screw up the spelling) named Sheil Kapani who is funny but his picks and logic tend to make me money.

Pff moneyline or greenline or whatever seems to be really accurate too

while that would be a very creative way of intervening, I doubt NATO opts for that kind of solution, as a geopolitical security organization it wouldn't be a good look for their credibility if it became public.
- Pat1993

Letting Putin slaughter a country is certainly not a good look either... and how would they even know? Not like they're asking for ID before they send missiles your way.... or maybe some snuck in without orders to do so? Who's to say who's fighting who right now? I know that the Poland border isn't guarded by Russians yet

Hey, you asked what he could possibly reasonably hope from this and I laid it out.
- AdamFrench

And it's still a loss really

Up your big butt
- mr.peanut

*moves to Astana*

Sorry had to take the dog. I don't pay for pff or the athletic but the podcasts are free on spotify and I abuse them. Specifically the athletic I like Nate Tice who is the son of a football coach and comes from a family of gamblers and often talks about some of his degenerate gambling stuff which I enjoy plus a guy (I'll screw up the spelling) named Sheil Kapani who is funny but his picks and logic tend to make me money.

Pff moneyline or greenline or whatever seems to be really accurate too
- Takemedrunkimhome

oh. free is me. i will find these. ty, friend.

sheil kapadia? he used to do eagles stuff locally here.

All the sanctions, the Ukrainians putting up such a fight, the global optics of what he's doing.... everything really, it's not going well to say the least.... what's his next move, even if he does take Kyiv?

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if NATO snuck in some troops in civilian clothing from the Poland Border, large part of the resistance are civilians, who would ever know? No markings, no vehicles, just soldiers.
- OB

So you wouldn't be surprised if NATO illegally entered a war and openly conspired to commit war crimes? Put me clearly on the side that would be shocked if they did this

*moves to Astana*


- AdamFrench

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