I think it's Letang over Coffey personally. Coffey wasn't here long enough doin his thing. Letang has been a stud for like 15 years in Pittsburgh.
- j.boyd919

I thought about that and his tenure here was his second longest aside from EDM. Seven in EDM and Five in PIT. If he was only here for a year or two I'd agree with you, but he was here for five years which isn't that short when you consider most teams only have a handful of players who spend most of their careers with them.

That said, I agree there's a legit argument for how big of an impact Letang has had on this team compared to Coffey. I just don't think it's that cut and dry.

I thought about that and his tenure here was his second longest aside from EDM. Seven in EDM and Five in PIT. If he was only here for a year or two I'd agree with you, but he was here for five years which isn't that short when you consider most teams only have a handful of players who spend most of their careers with them.

That said, I agree there's a legit argument for how big of an impact Letang has had on this team compared to Coffey. I just don't think it's that cut and dry.
- Rinosaur

It's definitely Letang over Coffey, but Coffey is definitely on the list.

I guess the Pens were playing such a high quality brand of hockey for a few months that the past month seemed much worse to the eyes and mind than it actually was.... This is from Pensburgh who did the home work on the month of February...


" Over the past 10 games the Penguins have largely dominated the 5-on-5 game when it comes to shot attempts, scoring chances, and expected goals, consistently winning those areas in pretty much every game.

That 10-game stretch covers the entire month of February and saw them post the following ranks during 5-on-5 play....

Total shot attempt share: 4th best in the NHL (55.3 percent)
Expected goal share: 8th best in the NHL (54.9 percent)
Scoring chance share: 9th best in the NHL (52.4 percent)
High danger scoring chance share: 12th best in the NHL (53.7 percent)
While they were also in the top-seven across the board in terms of shot attempts against, expected goals against, scoring chances against, and high-danger scoring chances against per 60 minutes.

What hurt them over that stretch is the fact they have struggled to finish on a lot of their chances, owning only a 4.5 percent shooting percentage during 5-on-5 play (worst mark in the NHL during that stretch), the fact the goalies had a couple of off games, and their penalty kill has slumped. The chances have been there and the defensive play has been better than it is being given credit for, but the puck is just not going in the net. Say what you want about the players they have on the roster and in the lineup, a 4.5 percent shooting percentage is an unsustainably low number. That will change. It is not just the depth scoring that is struggling to score goals right now, either. The top line has also had some issues scoring goals during 5-on-5 play. That is not going to continue, either."

I guess the Pens were playing such a high quality brand of hockey for a few months that the past month seemed much worse to the eyes and mind than it actually was.... This is from Pensburgh who did the home work on the month of February...


" Over the past 10 games the Penguins have largely dominated the 5-on-5 game when it comes to shot attempts, scoring chances, and expected goals, consistently winning those areas in pretty much every game.

That 10-game stretch covers the entire month of February and saw them post the following ranks during 5-on-5 play....

Total shot attempt share: 4th best in the NHL (55.3 percent)
Expected goal share: 8th best in the NHL (54.9 percent)
Scoring chance share: 9th best in the NHL (52.4 percent)
High danger scoring chance share: 12th best in the NHL (53.7 percent)
While they were also in the top-seven across the board in terms of shot attempts against, expected goals against, scoring chances against, and high-danger scoring chances against per 60 minutes.

What hurt them over that stretch is the fact they have struggled to finish on a lot of their chances, owning only a 4.5 percent shooting percentage during 5-on-5 play (worst mark in the NHL during that stretch), the fact the goalies had a couple of off games, and their penalty kill has slumped. The chances have been there and the defensive play has been better than it is being given credit for, but the puck is just not going in the net. Say what you want about the players they have on the roster and in the lineup, a 4.5 percent shooting percentage is an unsustainably low number. That will change. It is not just the depth scoring that is struggling to score goals right now, either. The top line has also had some issues scoring goals during 5-on-5 play. That is not going to continue, either."
- MattStrat

So we need to add a scoring winger

I guess the Pens were playing such a high quality brand of hockey for a few months that the past month seemed much worse to the eyes and mind than it actually was.... This is from Pensburgh who did the home work on the month of February...


" Over the past 10 games the Penguins have largely dominated the 5-on-5 game when it comes to shot attempts, scoring chances, and expected goals, consistently winning those areas in pretty much every game.

That 10-game stretch covers the entire month of February and saw them post the following ranks during 5-on-5 play....

Total shot attempt share: 4th best in the NHL (55.3 percent)
Expected goal share: 8th best in the NHL (54.9 percent)
Scoring chance share: 9th best in the NHL (52.4 percent)
High danger scoring chance share: 12th best in the NHL (53.7 percent)
While they were also in the top-seven across the board in terms of shot attempts against, expected goals against, scoring chances against, and high-danger scoring chances against per 60 minutes.

What hurt them over that stretch is the fact they have struggled to finish on a lot of their chances, owning only a 4.5 percent shooting percentage during 5-on-5 play (worst mark in the NHL during that stretch), the fact the goalies had a couple of off games, and their penalty kill has slumped. The chances have been there and the defensive play has been better than it is being given credit for, but the puck is just not going in the net. Say what you want about the players they have on the roster and in the lineup, a 4.5 percent shooting percentage is an unsustainably low number. That will change. It is not just the depth scoring that is struggling to score goals right now, either. The top line has also had some issues scoring goals during 5-on-5 play. That is not going to continue, either."
- MattStrat

So we need to add a scoring winger

I guess the Pens were playing such a high quality brand of hockey for a few months that the past month seemed much worse to the eyes and mind than it actually was.... This is from Pensburgh who did the home work on the month of February...


" Over the past 10 games the Penguins have largely dominated the 5-on-5 game when it comes to shot attempts, scoring chances, and expected goals, consistently winning those areas in pretty much every game.

That 10-game stretch covers the entire month of February and saw them post the following ranks during 5-on-5 play....

Total shot attempt share: 4th best in the NHL (55.3 percent)
Expected goal share: 8th best in the NHL (54.9 percent)
Scoring chance share: 9th best in the NHL (52.4 percent)
High danger scoring chance share: 12th best in the NHL (53.7 percent)
While they were also in the top-seven across the board in terms of shot attempts against, expected goals against, scoring chances against, and high-danger scoring chances against per 60 minutes.

What hurt them over that stretch is the fact they have struggled to finish on a lot of their chances, owning only a 4.5 percent shooting percentage during 5-on-5 play (worst mark in the NHL during that stretch), the fact the goalies had a couple of off games, and their penalty kill has slumped. The chances have been there and the defensive play has been better than it is being given credit for, but the puck is just not going in the net. Say what you want about the players they have on the roster and in the lineup, a 4.5 percent shooting percentage is an unsustainably low number. That will change. It is not just the depth scoring that is struggling to score goals right now, either. The top line has also had some issues scoring goals during 5-on-5 play. That is not going to continue, either."
- MattStrat

So we need to add a scoring winger

Coffey had 2 hundred point seasons and a 90 though I'm his time here.
- 668710

Sure still wouldn’t consider him a pens great.

I guess the Pens were playing such a high quality brand of hockey for a few months that the past month seemed much worse to the eyes and mind than it actually was.... This is from Pensburgh who did the home work on the month of February...


" Over the past 10 games the Penguins have largely dominated the 5-on-5 game when it comes to shot attempts, scoring chances, and expected goals, consistently winning those areas in pretty much every game.

That 10-game stretch covers the entire month of February and saw them post the following ranks during 5-on-5 play....

Total shot attempt share: 4th best in the NHL (55.3 percent)
Expected goal share: 8th best in the NHL (54.9 percent)
Scoring chance share: 9th best in the NHL (52.4 percent)
High danger scoring chance share: 12th best in the NHL (53.7 percent)
While they were also in the top-seven across the board in terms of shot attempts against, expected goals against, scoring chances against, and high-danger scoring chances against per 60 minutes.

What hurt them over that stretch is the fact they have struggled to finish on a lot of their chances, owning only a 4.5 percent shooting percentage during 5-on-5 play (worst mark in the NHL during that stretch), the fact the goalies had a couple of off games, and their penalty kill has slumped. The chances have been there and the defensive play has been better than it is being given credit for, but the puck is just not going in the net. Say what you want about the players they have on the roster and in the lineup, a 4.5 percent shooting percentage is an unsustainably low number. That will change. It is not just the depth scoring that is struggling to score goals right now, either. The top line has also had some issues scoring goals during 5-on-5 play. That is not going to continue, either."
- MattStrat

Oh so now it’s okay to cite things like PDO but everyone loses their poop when I do it.

What stats are you looking at exactly? Just looking at NST his stats are all slightly above average with the exception of CF% and HDCF% which are all just under 50%. His on ice sv% is the best on the team.
- Rinosaur

Feds posted some stuff last week, I can't remember exactly what it is.

I think it was rel cf% for dmen, he was like 3rd worst.
And rel HDCF Dumo was like top 10 worst.

Feds posted some stuff last week, I can't remember exactly what it is.

I think it was rel cf% for dmen, he was like 3rd worst.
And rel HDCF Dumo was like top 10 worst.
- j.boyd919

Feds has also stated in the past the relative stats are unreliable.

Feds has also stated in the past the relative stats are unreliable.
- Rinosaur

eh, as with all stats, there are more than just the numbers.

Just watching Dumo I don't think he's been as steady with his gap control, and stick work as he has been in the past, but I do know there is a comfort level that Letang has playing with Dumo and that is always something to consider.

eh, as with all stats, there are more than just the numbers.

Just watching Dumo I don't think he's been as steady with his gap control, and stick work as he has been in the past, but I do know there is a comfort level that Letang has playing with Dumo and that is always something to consider.
- j.boyd919

You'll get no argument from me that he's not having his best season. He's had a few brutal games for sure, and hasn't been quite as sharp, but I think how bad he's been is being overblown a bit.

If he was really being JJ bad, playing as prominent role has he has, this team would be in a far worse position than they are now. We vividly remember the negative impact JJ had on this team's on-ice product and he did that from the third pair.

You'll get no argument from me that he's not having his best season. He's had a few brutal games for sure, and hasn't been quite as sharp, but I think how bad he's been is being overblown a bit.

If he was really being JJ bad, playing as prominent role has he has, this team would be in a far worse position than they are now. We vividly remember the negative impact JJ had on this team's on-ice product and he did that from the third pair.
- Rinosaur

He was never the same after that broken ankle. Still good but I’d be curious to see how his career would of played out not next to Letang. If he really holds his end of the pair up or if he’s just being carried and his primary job is to cover Letang and otherwise prime Letang and line 1 will do the heavy lifting.

Sure still wouldn’t consider him a pens great.
- Feds91Stammer

Idk if you look at most players other than the big guys at the top of the list, not many are here that long either. So that's why I went there, I thought he produced better than others with similar years as a Pen.