Hasek swung at Ovi and connected.

https://www.usatoday.com/...-all-russians/6953510001/
- PT21

I’d be fine with it. Is it fair to the athlete? No. But what a message to the Kremlin. A visible message that you can’t invade a peaceful, free democratic country….one day that could be us.

you cant punish citizens for what their government is doing. it is the exact opposite of what were supposed to stand for. we made that mistake in the 40s

what the (frank), people

Why no carnival this year?
- MBFlyerfan

Covid restrictions in place at the time of planning made it unworkable. Will return next year, hopefully.

Right, that is why Yeo has Mayhew and Ratcliffe in the lineup .. because he only cares about winning and not developing players

Oh wait, its really a conspiracy against Frost ... forgot about that ...
- jd250

Mayhew is 29 years old. Not a player being developed. He is what he is.

Ask yourself this: Why is Craig Button of the opinion that Frost will blossom in the NHL but it won't necessarily be in Philadelphia? Not a ringing endorsement of the development track record here (something that Danny Briere acknowledged is an area the organization needs to improve).

An NHL scout I was texting with recently presented a similar opinion to Button's but added that the Flyers really aren't in a position to see a player of Frost's upside turn into a player somewhere else; they don't have an abundance of players in the system with Frost's offensive pedigree.

I'll say it again: I have absolutely zero problem with the message about what Frost needs to do to succeed at the NHL level. I agree with the message. It's the METHOD that I disagree with.

you cant punish citizens for what their government is doing. it is the exact opposite of what were supposed to stand for. we made that mistake in the 40s

what the (frank), people
- THE BLACK HAND

Yea hasek is off his rocker.

Yea hasek is off his rocker.
- Just5

I dont blame Hasek, he grew up behind the Iron Curtain so he has a perspective of living under Soviet Communistic rule

I agree it does, because this team has been working their tails off for the past several weeks and though some will not see it, this team is playing much better the past month than at any point in this season or even last season.
- jd250

They just broke a 6 game losing streak.

you cant punish citizens for what their government is doing. it is the exact opposite of what were supposed to stand for. we made that mistake in the 40s

what the (frank), people
- THE BLACK HAND

We are already precisely punishing hundreds of millions of innocent people in Russia for what their leaders did. Who is going to be most affected by the sanctions? Putin? No. His wealth is skillfully hidden and insulated. Why are we doing it? To relay pressure, via innocent intermediaries, to the leaders.

Is it unfair to those citizens? It is indeed. Is it unfair to many in the NHL who had nothing to do with it, and indeed may be strongly against it but do not dare speak out for fear of reprisals minor and major.

But the reason for such pressure is not to lash out in blind hate. It is to relay pressure upwards to the elite who are influential. Since the fall of the wall, and the cluster(frank) that was 1990s Russia, those elite have gained both power and a big taste for Western privilege. They come to top schools, buy coveted property, and hobnob with some of these sports stars.

And that is where your silly analogy with the persecution by Hoover of Communists in the 50s and by the US govt of Japanese during WW2 break down. There was no ultimate target for relaying that pressure upwards. It was pure paranoia/bigotry solely applied to make the life of the affected uncomfortable.

There is a sentiment among China and Russia, exceedingly transparent now, that the West compartmentalizes its morality and its commerce. Just swallow the outrage, wait it out, and nothing will happen.

I’d be fine with it. Is it fair to the athlete? No. But what a message to the Kremlin. A visible message that you can’t invade a peaceful, free democratic country….one day that could be us.
- landros 2

Was this an implicit or explicit agreement among the parties to conduct a dress rehearsal for the invasion of Taiwan in the next 20 years?

Umm, is the sky blue?

We are already precisely punishing hundreds of millions of innocent people in Russia for what their leaders did. Who is going to be most affected by the sanctions? Putin? No. His wealth is skillfully hidden and insulated. Why are we doing it? To relay pressure, via innocent intermediaries, to the leaders.

Is it unfair to those citizens? It is indeed. Is it unfair to many in the NHL who had nothing to do with it, and indeed may be strongly against it but do not dare speak out for fear of reprisals minor and major.

But the reason for such pressure is not to lash out in blind hate. It is to relay pressure upwards to the elite who are influential. Since the fall of the wall, and the cluster(frank) that was 1990s Russia, those elite have gained both power and a big taste for Western privilege. They come to top schools, buy coveted property, and hobnob with some of these sports stars.

And that is where your silly analogy with the persecution by Hoover of Communists in the 50s and by the US govt of Japanese during WW2 break down. There was no ultimate target for relaying that pressure upwards. It was pure paranoia/bigotry solely applied to make the life of the affected uncomfortable.

There is a sentiment among China and Russia, exceedingly transparent now, that the West compartmentalizes its morality and its commerce. Just swallow the outrage, wait it out, and nothing will happen.
- PT21

Youre taking this into a much larger scope than my face value comment intended and Im not getting into this at the moment.

Youre taking this into a much larger scope than my face value comment intended and Im not getting into this at the moment.
- THE BLACK HAND

That "larger scope" was exactly my point. I completely understand that my perspective is on face value potentially repugnant and carries whiffs of our unsavory past. I just wanted to clarify there was some rationale behind it.

Putin has been busy internalizing possible costs of what was long in the works. This was a meticulously planned act of barbarianism. What he clearly did not internalize however is how visceral this would be to a lot of people. Multiple countries are taking steps that only a month ago would have been considered ludicrous:this includes the agreement by Italy to curtail the huge consumption of luxury goods by the Russians, Germany agreeing to at least suspend the gas pipeline and then agreeing to arm Ukraine against Russian soldiers, the statements by the British conservative party that they're going to come after the oligarches who have long been some of their primary backers ...

In our own small way, we can also signal that the West is not a hotel where you can stay without adhering to our values.

Mayhew is 29 years old. Not a player being developed. He is what he is.

Ask yourself this: Why is Craig Button of the opinion that Frost will blossom in the NHL but it won't necessarily be in Philadelphia? Not a ringing endorsement of the development track record here (something that Danny Briere acknowledged is an area the organization needs to improve).

An NHL scout I was texting with recently presented a similar opinion to Button's but added that the Flyers really aren't in a position to see a player of Frost's upside turn into a player somewhere else; they don't have an abundance of players in the system with Frost's offensive pedigree.

I'll say it again: I have absolutely zero problem with the message about what Frost needs to do to succeed at the NHL level. I agree with the message. It's the METHOD that I disagree with.
- bmeltzer

I would like Frost to be playing in the NHL, not sent down again. I was fine with Frost on the 3rd line with Mayhew and JVR and playing 1st PP minutes. I think he is not in the lineup because the Flyers want him to play center and right now they need to showcase Brassard. Yes Yeo can make Frost the 1C and move G back to wing, but as I posted earlier, I don't think Frost is ready for that. My hope is trades will happen soon and Frost is back in the lineup permanently at center and playing the PP. But you can't ignore the fact that both Ratcliffe and Mayhew have played at least 1 game on the top line but Frost has not. Why is that? Could it be because he is not ready and pushing him now would set him back? I don't know, maybe I am grasping at straws, but there has got to be a reason why Ratcliffe was up on the 1st line for a game but Frost has not, and that reason has got to be more the Flyers don't know how to develop players. You yourself said Frost was fragile, maybe he is more fragile than you even know.

They just broke a 6 game losing streak.
- MJL

The Flyers have playing top teams in the league toe to toe and just finding ways to lose at the end of games. In previous streaks, they didn't look half as good against poor teams, never mind top teams.

Was this an implicit or explicit agreement among the parties to conduct a dress rehearsal for the invasion of Taiwan in the next 20 years?

Umm, is the sky blue?
- PT21

Crazy if people don’t see it. I agree we are in extraordinary times and the only way to end something that could lead to the demise of us all is to take extraordinary action…it’s not provy’s fault, it’s not Ovechkins fault. But the only way to get to Putin is public pressure and to isolate the entire country….he can’t hide star athletes being returned to his country.

you cant punish citizens for what their government is doing. it is the exact opposite of what were supposed to stand for. we made that mistake in the 40s

what the (frank), people
- THE BLACK HAND

…but it was awesome that Hasek called Ovechkin out for being too chicken poop to condemn what Putin is doing.

…but it was awesome that Hasek called Ovechkin out for being too chicken poop to condemn what Putin is doing.
- Dkos

100%

I would like Frost to be playing in the NHL, not sent down again. I was fine with Frost on the 3rd line with Mayhew and JVR and playing 1st PP minutes. I think he is not in the lineup because the Flyers want him to play center and right now they need to showcase Brassard. Yes Yeo can make Frost the 1C and move G back to wing, but as I posted earlier, I don't think Frost is ready for that. My hope is trades will happen soon and Frost is back in the lineup permanently at center and playing the PP. But you can't ignore the fact that both Ratcliffe and Mayhew have played at least 1 game on the top line but Frost has not. Why is that? Could it be because he is not ready and pushing him now would set him back? I don't know, maybe I am grasping at straws, but there has got to be a reason why Ratcliffe was up on the 1st line for a game but Frost has not, and that reason has got to be more the Flyers don't know how to develop players. You yourself said Frost was fragile, maybe he is more fragile than you even know.
- jd250

The return for a trade of Brassard is going to be minimal. If the Flyers are putting the development of Frost secondary to showcasing Brassard. It's just another example of their incompetence. The reason why Frost has not been given the opportunity that he should be getting is exactly what other NHL scouts, AGM's and other pundits have been saying. The Flyers methods of player development is flawed and archaic. Meltzer has never stated that Frost is fragile that I can recall.

The Flyers have playing top teams in the league toe to toe and just finding ways to lose at the end of games. In previous streaks, they didn't look half as good against poor teams, never mind top teams.
- jd250

It's pretty clear that many teams are not bringing their A game against the bottom feeder Flyers. Losing is losing.

Crazy if people don’t see it. I agree we are in extraordinary times and the only way to end something that could lead to the demise of us all is to take extraordinary action…it’s not provy’s fault, it’s not Ovechkins fault. But the only way to get to Putin is public pressure and to isolate the entire country….he can’t hide star athletes being returned to his country.
- landros 2

You cannot negotiate with a bully. By placating the bully, you simpy defer the fight, and it will be for higher stakes next time. Whether it's a bully in a schoolyard, a bar, on the playing field, or a bully in the geopolitical arena, the principle is the same. You have to accept the risk you are going to suffer but you have to fight.

Putin invaded Georgia in 2008, on the 1st day of the Beijing Olympics. This time, he invades Ukraine right after the Beijing Olympics. Not a coincidence. He pressures Belorussia into subservience, gobbles up the Crimea, and calculates that the west is too demoralized by wars, and internal conflict and he can just go grab an entire country.

What next if you don't take extraordinary steps? In his demented speech, where he talked about the glory of the Imperial Russian empire, he included Finland. Finland is not a member of NATO. Does he send troops there next? Why not exactly? NATO soldiers are not going to risk a nuclear conflict by fighting him there.

I am glad, for once, that we are doing something. I am glad we are not placating the bully. I am glad we are ignoring his nuclear threats and explicitly arming the Ukrainians. I am glad soccer teams are refusing to play Russia. I am glad planes are being diverted. I am glad Russians will have trouble buying Gucci handbags, vacationing in the Riviera, and travelling to Londonstan.

And yeah, I am glad Hasek said what he did.

My only personal regret is that this did not happen when I was 25. I would have gone to fight for sure. Its stupid and its silly and its irrelevant but its not often one gets battle lines so clearly drawn morally and such a grand fight comes your way.

The return for a trade of Brassard is going to be minimal. If the Flyers are putting the development of Frost secondary to showcasing Brassard. It's just another example of their incompetence. The reason why Frost has not been given the opportunity that he should be getting is exactly what other NHL scouts, AGM's and other pundits have been saying. The Flyers methods of player development is flawed and archaic. Meltzer has never stated that Frost is fragile that I can recall.
- MJL

I'm leery about Frost and not a fan of him but agree here. I want to see what he is capable of, as Brassard is what he is at this point. Also agree that player development is flawed. I still can't believe how low we have sunk.

It's pretty clear that many teams are not bringing their A game against the bottom feeder Flyers. Losing is losing.
- MJL

Agreed! The lowly Flyers. I can't believe this is where we are. The announcers today were talking "Flyers hockey" - what a joke.

Depends. Ristolainen would not make the top 4 of many of the top teams in the league. Injuries could change that. If I could get him cheap and use him in a 3rd pair role, I would have interest.
- MJL

He was the best player on the ice today. Give the guy his due.

7 gms offered more than a 1st for him. I think those guys know a thing or two about a thing or two.

It’s almost as if some here root against certain guys just to substantiate their agenda…

Nice game by Sanheim as well.

You cannot negotiate with a bully. By placating the bully, you simpy defer the fight, and it will be for higher stakes next time. Whether it's a bully in a schoolyard, a bar, on the playing field, or a bully in the geopolitical arena, the principle is the same. You have to accept the risk you are going to suffer but you have to fight.

Putin invaded Georgia in 2008, on the 1st day of the Beijing Olympics. This time, he invades Ukraine right after the Beijing Olympics. Not a coincidence. He pressures Belorussia into subservience, gobbles up the Crimea, and calculates that the west is too demoralized by wars, and internal conflict and he can just go grab an entire country.

What next if you don't take extraordinary steps? In his demented speech, where he talked about the glory of the Imperial Russian empire, he included Finland. Finland is not a member of NATO. Does he send troops there next? Why not exactly? NATO soldiers are not going to risk a nuclear conflict by fighting him there.

I am glad, for once, that we are doing something. I am glad we are not placating the bully. I am glad we are ignoring his nuclear threats and explicitly arming the Ukrainians. I am glad soccer teams are refusing to play Russia. I am glad planes are being diverted. I am glad Russians will have trouble buying Gucci handbags, vacationing in the Riviera, and travelling to Londonstan.

And yeah, I am glad Hasek said what he did.

My only personal regret is that this did not happen when I was 25. I would have gone to fight for sure. Its stupid and its silly and its irrelevant but its not often one gets battle lines so clearly drawn morally and such a grand fight comes your way.
- PT21

Don’t put Prov and Ov in the same sentence when it comes to this nonsense. Ov openly supports a murderous dictator. There is no sugar coating it. He(Ov) is scum and someone needs to call him out on it.

He was the best player on the ice today. Give the guy his due.

7 gms offered more than a 1st for him. I think those guys know a thing or two about a thing or two.

It’s almost as if some here root against certain guys just to substantiate their agenda…

Nice game by Sanheim as well.
- Joe Nardone

I don't know that he was the best player on the ice but he had a very strong game yesterday. It's not the first time in his career that he had a good game. Even the worst of players is capable of having an occasional good game. We hear second hand what other GM's offered. None of that changes the simple facts. That overall with the Flyers, just as he has been his entire career, he is a mediocre player. Who is not close to being worth what the Flyers paid to acquire him or what he reportedly wants in a new contract. The Flyers desperately need to move him and get back whatever they can. There is no agenda. Simply the reality of the situation.

The return for a trade of Brassard is going to be minimal. If the Flyers are putting the development of Frost secondary to showcasing Brassard. It's just another example of their incompetence. The reason why Frost has not been given the opportunity that he should be getting is exactly what other NHL scouts, AGM's and other pundits have been saying. The Flyers methods of player development is flawed and archaic. Meltzer has never stated that Frost is fragile that I can recall.
- MJL

No no getting a 5th or top side a 4th, should put this franchise on the right path