So funny you continue to mention Clarke. Like has any say in persona, trades, or development.
- hello it's me 2050

Evidently you did not read Bill M's statements about him and Chucky. I am going off those and others in the media.

Evidently you did not read Bill M's statements about him and Chucky. I am going off those and others in the media.
- iamscore2day

He has no say in any of those 3 matters. You are still upset the Saint isn't here and Clarke "bad" mouthed him. I get it. I do.

Yes there is. You've applied some mythical standard that Frost has to achieve to be moved up in the lineup at 5 on 5 but then state that he earned the PP time. It's laughable.
- MJL

Again, there is NO reason to move Frost up in the lineup IMO. He can develop just fine in the 3C role. And there is no reason why Frost cannot also be part of the 1st PP unit. Its laughable that your thinking is so archaic as to believe that only players in the top 6 can play on the PP. Not true!

he has not been good, blame it on deployment if you’d like . Agreed tho, he has not earned it.
- ClaudeFather

I think Frost has been better than given credit for and his has shown flashes of the skill he has. The Flyers need to make an investment here and give the player a better opportunity.

Again, there is NO reason to move Frost up in the lineup IMO. He can develop just fine in the 3C role. And there is no reason why Frost cannot also be part of the 1st PP unit. Its laughable that your thinking is so archaic as to believe that only players in the top 6 can play on the PP. Not true!
- jd250

By the same standard that you have applied, there is no reason to play him on the #1 PP unit. He will not develop well with how he is being used.

What's laughable is that you think I have said anything remotely close to stating that only players in the top 6 can play on the PP. Where are you getting that from?

Yes, they drafted Carter Hart but he was not ready for the NHL. If Schenn was expendable from the NHL roster, surely Hextall could have and should have shopped him to upgrade the D or goalie for the current team which I think could have made a run with some good player additions. And you think you sign a player like JVR to that contract for a team that you don't think is ready to contend?
- jd250

He was projected to be a future #1 NHL goalie. Why would the Flyers trade Schenn for a goaltender at that point? You're not making sense. Who said Schenn was expendable? That team was no where close to being ready to make a run. The JVR signing was overall not a good move.

I think Frost has been better than given credit for and his has shown flashes of the skill he has. The Flyers need to make an investment here and give the player a better opportunity.
- MJL

Yup, where we are in the standings I’m not sure what these fools are waiting for.

So who do you guys think are moved at the deadline? Any guys you think could be a surprise?

My guess.

Moved:
Giroux
Ristolianen
Braun

Maybe moved depending on return:
Konecny
Sanheim

Surprised player to move:
Laughton - I feel like a team could come in and give a 1st rounder for him since he is cost controlled and can play multiple places in the lineup. Not saying I want to but someone I could see teams like.

So who do you guys think are moved at the deadline? Any guys you think could be a surprise?

My guess.

Moved:
Giroux
Ristolianen
Braun

Maybe moved depending on return:
Konecny
Sanheim

Surprised player to move:
Laughton - I feel like a team could come in and give a 1st rounder for him since he is cost controlled and can play multiple places in the lineup. Not saying I want to but someone I could see teams like.
- J35Bacher

I think Braun is a 100% no doubter. Great depth add at a decent price. G and Risto, I could see one of them resigned and I think it will be Risto... if he trades TK I might just stop watching altogether, unless it was an unreal return.

So who do you guys think are moved at the deadline? Any guys you think could be a surprise?

My guess.

Moved:
Giroux
Ristolianen
Braun

Maybe moved depending on return:
Konecny
Sanheim

Surprised player to move:
Laughton - I feel like a team could come in and give a 1st rounder for him since he is cost controlled and can play multiple places in the lineup. Not saying I want to but someone I could see teams like.
- J35Bacher

Honestly I could see something nuts happening...depending on who may say "F it, we are going all in and also solving ongoing cap issues all at once."

I'm talking Mitch Marner for Provy, Konecney, Risto with 50% retention and our 2022 1st rounder level crazy.

Honestly I could see something nuts happening...depending on who may say "F it, we are going all in and also solving ongoing cap issues all at once."

I'm talking Mitch Marner for Provy, Konecney, Risto with 50% retention and our 2022 1st rounder level crazy.
- juiced

Gonna have to pass on that trade, our D stinks as it is and we are talking about a top 5 pick.

Gonna have to pass on that trade, our D stinks as it is and we are talking about a top 5 pick.
- ClaudeFather

EXACTLY...which is why it's going to happen....LOL

Think about it...an unmovable cap hit for a wing that to date has disappeared in the playoffs but teases with elite skill. Cant you just feel it

joking but I really do fear some seismic type move that will leave us scratching our heads or sticking our heads in the toilet sick

Ok, but just think about these two moves for a moment.

2017: Hextall trades a legitimate NHL 2C for 2 1st round draft picks. The reason was the Flyers were not ready to contend and were still rebuilding even though at the time they had a core of G, Jake, Couts, Laughton, Ghost, TK, Simmonds and Provorov. Kind of odd don't you think?

2018: Hextall signs JVR to a 5 year contract. Apparently, at this point the reason was the Flyers were now ready to contend and JVR had a skill set that no Flyer in the organization had.

My beef with this is the obvious flip flop in terms on the so-called readiness of the team, but also if you are trading Brayden Schenn because you think you have your center position well stocked with G, Couts, Laughton and Patrick, then why not trade Schenn for a top defenseman or goalie? Go look at the Flyers 2018 roster at the time and ask yourself, did this team need a future Farabee and Frost or would they have preferred a upgrade in net or on the blue line?
- jd250

The Jvr signing reeks of upper management mandate to rush process to try to succeed now mode. For evidence…. Hexy fired not long after. I don’t see it as shift in hexy plan. To me obvious power struggle was going on behind doors.


With that said and with a few years hindsight me thinks hexy was right🤷‍♂️ Judging by results last few years.

Weird thought but do you think Hextall's process would have been better received if not for the Sixers basically tanking around the same time? For a major market to have two teams basically trying to tank/rebuild do you think that could have played a part in the impatience?

Weird thought but do you think Hextall's process would have been better received if not for the Sixers basically tanking around the same time? For a major market to have two teams basically trying to tank/rebuild do you think that could have played a part in the impatience?
- J35Bacher

Are both teams owned by the same person? Then yes. Cash flow.

Are both teams owned by the same person? Then yes. Cash flow.
- Stayin alive

No. Josh Harris owns the Sixers.

I don't know. It was just a thought. I think if the Sixers were winning it allows more time for the Flyers to maybe go through their own process and rebuild. It was a thought.

So who do you guys think are moved at the deadline? Any guys you think could be a surprise?

My guess.

Moved:
Giroux
Ristolianen
Braun

Maybe moved depending on return:
Konecny
Sanheim

Surprised player to move:
Laughton - I feel like a team could come in and give a 1st rounder for him since he is cost controlled and can play multiple places in the lineup. Not saying I want to but someone I could see teams like.
- J35Bacher

Martin Jones would be on my list to take whatever the best return is as welll.

If they move G, RR, Jones & Braun for picks that gives them a ton of firepower to make moves at the draft.

Also, once those guys are dealt I’d take expiring cap dumps back for even more picks.

By the same standard that you have applied, there is no reason to play him on the #1 PP unit. He will not develop well with how he is being used.

What's laughable is that you think I have said anything remotely close to stating that only players in the top 6 can play on the PP. Where are you getting that from?

- MJL

You are arguing with me because I said Frost should be on the first PP unit. think about that for a moment. I know you also would like to see Frost on the first PP unit, so why not just come out and say, hey I agree with you. This has nothing what-so-ever to do with what line Frost plays on.

Martin Jones would be on my list to take whatever the best return is as welll.

If they move G, RR, Jones & Braun for picks that gives them a ton of firepower to make moves at the draft.

Also, once those guys are dealt I’d take expiring cap dumps back for even more picks.
- hereticpride

I forgot about Jones.

Yeah. If they have space and can take on a deal to get more picks I would be in.

No. Josh Harris owns the Sixers.

I don't know. It was just a thought. I think if the Sixers were winning it allows more time for the Flyers to maybe go through their own process and rebuild. It was a thought.
- J35Bacher

Then my guess would be I hope not

Then my guess would be I hope not
- Stayin alive

I should have clarified. Impatience from the fanbase.

He has no say in any of those 3 matters. You are still upset the Saint isn't here and Clarke "bad" mouthed him. I get it. I do.
- hello it's me 2050

Did he tell you this at the dinner table?

I think Braun is a 100% no doubter. Great depth add at a decent price. G and Risto, I could see one of them resigned and I think it will be Risto... if he trades TK I might just stop watching altogether, unless it was an unreal return.
- ClaudeFather

I could be swayed by the return but I absolutely consider not trading Braun and bringing him back.

No. Josh Harris owns the Sixers.

I don't know. It was just a thought. I think if the Sixers were winning it allows more time for the Flyers to maybe go through their own process and rebuild. It was a thought.
- J35Bacher

The difference between a hedge fund guy like Harris and a company like Comcast is that the former type is used to sacrificing the immediate for the future. They have a boom-bust mentality rather than a keep the tills tinkling mentality. Sixers went through some loss years during tanking. More than made up for now, of course. The revenue growth from a NBA team success is so exponential that even deferred rewards can totally swamp immediate losses.

Devils owned by Harris, also going through the process. In that case, their attendance actually does not seem to change much from years mediocre to good to terrible. So, why so? Since I am skeptical a businessman doesn't care about $, I looked at profits. High profits last few years, for the reason that they have double digit cap space available. He is getting the profits from cutting costs.

Funny thing is, once they have the tools to contend, he might actualy lose money from team success, as I doubt kids across the country will be buying Devils gear. So, will be interesting to see what he does when that young team starts to mature and be good. Based on past 20 years, arena attendance would not make up for increased salary spending.

You are arguing with me because I said Frost should be on the first PP unit. think about that for a moment. I know you also would like to see Frost on the first PP unit, so why not just come out and say, hey I agree with you. This has nothing what-so-ever to do with what line Frost plays on.
- jd250

You don't even know what I'm arguing with you about. You clearly aren't following along.

It has to do with by your standard, what has Frost done to earn PP time?