Let's talk about the possibility that Yeo is the coach next year.

Dreger reporting Leafs looking at Konecny now
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Here is a perfect player for the Flyers to get back from the Leafs:

1. Nick Robertson, LW, Toronto Marlies
GP: 2 | G: 0 | A: 2 | PTS: 2

The Leafs’ top prospect has had the absolute worst luck.

After dominating development camp and turning heads in training camp, the 20-year-old snipe show suffered a broken leg just two games into what was supposed to be his first full pro season.

It feels like ages ago that a teenage Robertson was called up and scored a playoff goal for the Maple Leafs in the 2020 bubble. Since then, he’s battled through multiple injuries, watched Team USA win world junior gold without him, and rooted on his Calder finalist older brother, Jason, in Dallas.

Let's talk about the possibility that Yeo is the coach next year.
- atibus

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This is not about what line Frost plays on. As I mentioned right now if Frost moves to 1C or 2C, who are you moving to 3C, Giroux or Laughton? This is about the personnel on the power play. The Flyers PP has Sucked for several seasons now, barely getting above 20% conversion and this year its putrid at 14%. Frost has, IMO, sufficiently demonstrated that he is good on the half wall on the PP with good puck retrieval, patience and decision making. My point is there seems to be a disconnect between Fletcher stating we need more top end talent, and the coaching staff that doesn't seem to want to develop top end talent. Regarding your other comment, Every player, no matter how skilled they are, needs to earn their ice time IMO, I don't care who they are. As mentioned, IMO Frost has not demonstrated that he is the best player on his line therefore warranting a move up. However he has demonstrated his skill on the PP and so that is the source of my concern.
- jd250

Whether it is on the PP or at 5 on 5, when Frost plays with better players in better offensive situations, Frost's skill come out. That's the point. Now that you were called on it, you're back to having to earn it. What happened to what do you have to lose? Don't worry, Yeo and Fletcher are complete dopes so they'll make Frost earn it.

Here is a perfect player for the Flyers to get back from the Leafs:

1. Nick Robertson, LW, Toronto Marlies
GP: 2 | G: 0 | A: 2 | PTS: 2

The Leafs’ top prospect has had the absolute worst luck.

After dominating development camp and turning heads in training camp, the 20-year-old snipe show suffered a broken leg just two games into what was supposed to be his first full pro season.

It feels like ages ago that a teenage Robertson was called up and scored a playoff goal for the Maple Leafs in the 2020 bubble. Since then, he’s battled through multiple injuries, watched Team USA win world junior gold without him, and rooted on his Calder finalist older brother, Jason, in Dallas.
- jd250

They freaking love that guy...99.99% odds he's untouchable.

And this *all* happened under Hextall's watch. So was Hextall and Hakstol forced to do this by Homer and his cronies, and is that why they were fired in 2019? My point here is not to disagree with you that Couts and Schenn were mismanaged, but to illustrate that this happened long before Fletcher came aboard, so its NOT on him. Maybe with the investment made in better player developer and analytics, we will finally start to see some changes for the better.
- jd250

Ummmm… it was Dave Hakstol who elevated Couturier up in the lineup and moved Giroux to wing. Fletcher is part of the country club and is under the influence and part of the Flyers archaic player development.

Here is a perfect player for the Flyers to get back from the Leafs:

1. Nick Robertson, LW, Toronto Marlies
GP: 2 | G: 0 | A: 2 | PTS: 2

The Leafs’ top prospect has had the absolute worst luck.

After dominating development camp and turning heads in training camp, the 20-year-old snipe show suffered a broken leg just two games into what was supposed to be his first full pro season.

It feels like ages ago that a teenage Robertson was called up and scored a playoff goal for the Maple Leafs in the 2020 bubble. Since then, he’s battled through multiple injuries, watched Team USA win world junior gold without him, and rooted on his Calder finalist older brother, Jason, in Dallas.
- jd250

For Konecny?

Ummmm… it was Dave Hakstol who elevated Couturier up in the lineup and moved Giroux to wing. Fletcher is part of the country club and is under the influence and part of the Flyers archaic player development.
- MJL

What was your Dad under? The development during his tenure is equally as schitty.

100% Burns was established. Coyle, Setoguchi and the 1st round pick are all undefined. Its like the Family Guy Episode where Peter has the choice of the mystery box or the boat.

If MIN takes Rakell or Gibson with the 1st round pick or Coyle ends up being a #1 C it becomes a good deal.

This is the risk of any deal for prospects or picks.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Add to that, Lemaire converted Burns from forward to defense. One of the reasons they traded Burns was because he was struggling on defense. Burns was then and today high risk high reward. The Wild should have paired him with a defensive defenseman.

Whether it is on the PP or at 5 on 5, when Frost plays with better players in better offensive situations, Frost's skill come out. That's the point. Now that you were called on it, you're back to having to earn it. What happened to what do you have to lose? Don't worry, Yeo and Fletcher are complete dopes so they'll make Frost earn it.
- MJL

I think Frost has demonstrated he can be a successful PP guy, and at the same time the Flyers PP is awful. This combination of things to me makes it the right time to keep Frost on the half wall the rest of the way and see what happens.

Let's talk about the possibility that Yeo is the coach next year.
- atibus

No chance in hell of that happening.

For Konecny?
- MJL

Yes but I don't think you got the joke in it, i.e. all the injuries that have curtailed Robertson's development make him a perfect Flyer.

And this *all* happened under Hextall's watch. So was Hextall and Hakstol forced to do this by Homer and his cronies, and is that why they were fired in 2019? My point here is not to disagree with you that Couts and Schenn were mismanaged, but to illustrate that this happened long before Fletcher came aboard, so its NOT on him. Maybe with the investment made in better player developer and analytics, we will finally start to see some changes for the better.
- jd250

Didn't Coots have his best year when Hakstol coached him? Are you confusing him for Laughton, whom they sent down to the AHL to work on his 200 ft game?

Ummmm… it was Dave Hakstol who elevated Couturier up in the lineup and moved Giroux to wing. Fletcher is part of the country club and is under the influence and part of the Flyers archaic player development.
- MJL

Yes, Hakstol elevated Couts in 2017, but what happened in 2015-2016? What about Schenn in these same seasons? Fletcher is part of the country club, but Hextall wasn't??

Yes, Hakstol elevated Couts in 2017, but what happened in 2015-2016? What about Schenn in these same seasons? Fletcher is part of the country club, but Hextall wasn't??
- jd250

I honestly think Hexy was fired because he rejected the country club.

I think Frost has demonstrated he can be a successful PP guy, and at the same time the Flyers PP is awful. This combination of things to me makes it the right time to keep Frost on the half wall the rest of the way and see what happens.
- jd250

How come Frost doesn't have to earn the PP time? Why the contradiction?

Yes, Hakstol elevated Couts in 2017, but what happened in 2015-2016? What about Schenn in these same seasons? Fletcher is part of the country club, but Hextall wasn't??
- jd250

He was not. The Saint was in complete control. So does that make it worse? The Saint had a head coach in the AHL who could carless about development. His goal was to win and get back to the NHL.

Yes, Hakstol elevated Couts in 2017, but what happened in 2015-2016? What about Schenn in these same seasons? Fletcher is part of the country club, but Hextall wasn't??
- jd250

LOL, no Hextall was not part of the country club. Why do you think he was fired?

Didn't Coots have his best year when Hakstol coached him? Are you confusing him for Laughton, whom they sent down to the AHL to work on his 200 ft game?
- iamscore2day

No, I am not confusing Couts with Laughton, though I'm glad you mentioned Laughton as well. My point is this so called mismanagement of players was happening throughout the Hextall years, from being slow to elevate Couts, to trading Schenn for no NHL pieces when the team was looking like they were ready to take the next step, to doing an about face and signing JVR to a bad contract the very next year. We can't have it both ways. We can't pin all the perceived bad player development on Fletcher and his staff without also looking at what went on under Hextall also. Unlike Hextall however, who secluded himself and made all the decisions, Fletcher has at least acknowledged that the Flyers needed to invest in player development, scouting, analytics and getting more executive voices in the room.

LOL, no Hextall was not part of the country club. Why do you think he was fired?
- MJL

He was fired because he sucked

LOL, no Hextall was not part of the country club. Why do you think he was fired?
- MJL

I think Hextall was hired because he was part of the club, and fired because he made several bad decisions that directly curtailed the advancement of the organization. Like I said, you can't have it both ways. You can't just say all bad player development happened under Fletcher and therefore he must be fired, because its just not true.

LOL, no Hextall was not part of the country club. Why do you think he was fired?
- MJL

He was fired because he didn't do a good job. Don't jet facts get on the way as you say.

How come Frost doesn't have to earn the PP time? Why the contradiction?
- MJL

IMO Frost has earned the PP time by what he has demonstrated already, and that bar I admit is lower given how bad the Flyers PP has been with these same players on it season after season.

No, I am not confusing Couts with Laughton, though I'm glad you mentioned Laughton as well. My point is this so called mismanagement of players was happening throughout the Hextall years, from being slow to elevate Couts, to trading Schenn for no NHL pieces when the team was looking like they were ready to take the next step, to doing an about face and signing JVR to a bad contract the very next year. We can't have it both ways. We can't pin all the perceived bad player development on Fletcher and his staff without also looking at what went on under Hextall also. Unlike Hextall however, who secluded himself and made all the decisions, Fletcher has at least acknowledged that the Flyers needed to invest in player development, scouting, analytics and getting more executive voices in the room.
- jd250

You're mistaken to believe that it is all being pinned on Fletcher. It is not. It is being pinned on the establishment and country club members that are entrenched in this organization that refuse to catch up to the modern day NHL. Fletcher is just a continuation of that. I think you're kidding yourself about what you think the impact of the new hires is going to be.

IMO Frost has earned the PP time by what he has demonstrated already, and that bar I admit is lower given how bad the Flyers PP has been with these same players on it season after season.
- jd250

How exactly did he earn the PP time? You can't make this up.