1970vintage
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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Some interesting numbers that I copied from the comment section on a different site
In defence of OEL and Poolman (as well as Myers), they have been handed lots of defensive responsibilities and not a lot of offensive opportunities. If we look at zone starts and TOI, Hughes has 69.2% in O-zone starts compared to OEL (44.3%), Poolman (40.4%) and Myers (40.3%). Hughes has 157 PP minutes TOI compared to OEL (72), Poolman (3) and Myers (12). Hughes has 23 PK minutes TOI compared to OEL (81), Poolman (64), and Myers (106). The reason why these three have low point production is because they are too busy sheltering Hughes. - Reubenkincade
This sounds like statistics, which I know you dismiss emphatically. |
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1970vintage
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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Using the on the fly percent, do you think for someone like Hughes ,it was going in the offensive direction or the defensive direction? - Reubenkincade
That would depend on how smart, or stupid the player he is coming on for is. |
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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Take Höglander to score and Martin to collect his first W
3-2 Canucks. |
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 09.26.2010
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Using the on the fly percent, do you think for someone like Hughes ,it was going in the offensive direction or the defensive direction? - Reubenkincade
I mean how many players get to change when the other team is in the attacking zone? Seems pretty rare. It’s usually just one team holding the puck behind their net while players change. Usually line changes happen when the play has settled down(puck dumped in). |
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 09.26.2010
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That would depend on how smart, or stupid the player he is coming on for is. - 1970vintage
exactly |
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This sounds like statistics, which I know you dismiss emphatically. - 1970vintage
This is where you are wrong, I just don't agree with the purpose of some and the importance of others.
There is some good info within stats, depends on the context though. |
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NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Yellowknife, NWT Joined: 05.30.2016
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avatar bet - Nucker101
I'm already thinking about what I'll make you change yours to when I win our fantasy league |
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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This is where you are wrong, I just don't agree with the purpose of some and the importance of others.
There is some good info within stats, depends on the context though. - Reubenkincade
Just teasing man, settle down already.
Also, I’m still teasing, so don’t go and have another conniption fit in response. |
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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Speaking of the D, was watching OEL the other night. Sure, he’s still a capable NHL player, but he’s not a good Dman anymore. That contract isn’t going to age well. He will look more and more like Edler as time goes by. |
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NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Yellowknife, NWT Joined: 05.30.2016
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Speaking of the D, was watching OEL the other night. Sure, he’s still a capable NHL player, but he’s not a good Dman anymore. That contract isn’t going to age well. He will look more and more like Edler as time goes by. - 1970vintage
Yeah he's going to need to take a serious step forward to make that contract remotely worth it. He has been just fine, which is not okay when you get paid like he does |
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Just teasing man, settle down already.
Also, I’m still teasing, so don’t go and have another conniption fit in response. - 1970vintage
Lol.
Haven't seen conniption used in a long time. |
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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Cumberland, BC Joined: 03.18.2010
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Bruce on Brock; (Global)
Needs to move his legs
Need to work hard at practise
We are all keeping an eye on Brock, we need him to be the scorer that he can be.
Bye Brock. - Reubenkincade
Let's see what Allvin can do. |
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NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Yellowknife, NWT Joined: 05.30.2016
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Let's see what Allvin can do. - Marwood
#makebrockgreatagain |
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neem55
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This is where you are wrong, I just don't agree with the purpose of some and the importance of others.
There is some good info within stats, depends on the context though. - Reubenkincade
Such as plus minus being least? Its ok for understanding who is playong well 5v5. It misses special teams, doesnt account for zone or an empty net. There are much more effective measures. |
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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Cumberland, BC Joined: 03.18.2010
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Just teasing man, settle down already.
Also, I’m still teasing, so don’t go and have another conniption fit in response. - 1970vintage
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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Cumberland, BC Joined: 03.18.2010
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#makebrockgreatagain - NorthNuck
I don't know what that means but I'm surprised an emo like you is using a Trumpism.
Brock & Pearson are not fast, I'm curious to see what Allvin can get as the rebuild begins. |
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Let's see what Allvin can do. - Marwood
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Such as plus minus being least? Its ok for understanding who is playong well 5v5. It misses special teams, doesnt account for zone or an empty net. There are much more effective measures. - neem55
It does count for zones, a + is 99% of the time the offensive zone and a minus is 99%the defensive zone.
+/- was intended to give a quick look at how a player performs, offensively and defensively, a much better stat than say something like PDO. |
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NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Yellowknife, NWT Joined: 05.30.2016
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I don't know what that means but I'm surprised an emo like you is using a Trumpism.
Brock & Pearson are not fast, I'm curious to see what Allvin can get as the rebuild begins. - Marwood
Pearson needs to go for sure. I wouldn't mind seeing Miller go ahead of Brock simply because they could actually get a good haul for him.
Brock could just get Bo to take him to that figure skater who fixed his technique |
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Miller, Bo, Lamikko, Focht, Costmar and Karlsson= good depth. - Reubenkincade
Yeah I thought it was funny too
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 09.26.2010
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It does count for zones, a + is 99% of the time the offensive zone and a minus is 99%the defensive zone.
+/- was intended to give a quick look at how a player performs, offensively and defensively, a much better stat than say something like PDO. - Reubenkincade
Well I think the whole point of PDO was to use it as a context stat with +/- lol
Basically +/- and PDO = better than either of those stats alone
I don’t look at either stat personally but pitting two stats against each other that are meant to be used together to make an argument/point that one of the stats is superior is super weird lol
Corsi, PDO, zone starts are all outdated, that’s not what people use anymore, or should be using |
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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Cumberland, BC Joined: 03.18.2010
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Pearson needs to go for sure. I wouldn't mind seeing Miller go ahead of Brock simply because they could actually get a good haul for him.
Brock could just get Bo to take him to that figure skater who fixed his technique - NorthNuck
I think Miller, Boeser & Pearson are all most likely gone by the start of next season. I'm hoping this management group is not the easy pushover the past regime was.
It's going to be a very interesting next 6-8 months. |
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 09.26.2010
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I think Miller, Boeser & Pearson are all most likely gone by the start of next season. I'm hoping this management group is not the easy pushover the past regime was.
It's going to be a very interesting next 6-8 months. - Marwood
Good thing about having new management is that they don’t have any attachment to the players so I think they’ll be open to trading almost anyone.
I think a trade with Pitt is inevitable, whether it’s big or small. JR/Allvin/Clancy will likely have players they like more than Hextall does |
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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Canuckville, BC Joined: 01.09.2015
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I think Miller, Boeser & Pearson are all most likely gone by the start of next season. I'm hoping this management group is not the easy pushover the past regime was.
It's going to be a very interesting next 6-8 months. - Marwood
Bold predictions but hard to disagree with. |
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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Cumberland, BC Joined: 03.18.2010
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Good thing about having new management is that they don’t have any attachment to the players so I think they’ll be open to trading almost anyone.
I think a trade with Pitt is inevitable, whether it’s big or small. JR/Allvin/Clancy will likely have players they like more than Hextall does - Nucker101
Yup, no teacher's pets. It would be nice to see something happen before the Allstar weekend. |
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