- AdamFrench

And you're already in Ottawa!!!!!

but there is multiple convoys, that will all come together like Voltron to form super convoy

who will all then poop and piss in bottles and bags for 2 days..at which point they will have gained thier full power
- senstroll

- AdamFrench

Limits are set by the individual provinces (and in some cases municipalities).
- Atomic Wedgie

Indeed which is even more confusing and arguably problematic. The fact a municipality or Chief Medical Officer or a Medical Officer of Health for a region can impose restrictions that are more stringent than the provincial restrictions with no provincial approval or oversight is a recepie for disaster in my opinion.

Case in point I'm in Simcoe County and the Chief Medical Officer here went public in the media before the last round of provincial restrictions was imposed and said basically he was unhappy with what was being allowed currently and if the province didn't introduce new / enhanced / more severe (or whatever you want to classify it as) restrictions next week he had an order drafted that he would impose himself.

He did not cite it was due to increased cases in Simcoe County vs anywhere else nor was there any rationale provided that was geographically specific - it really seemed or felt like it was because he believed his opinion was right and the province was wrong. He was mad that the easing of restrictions had occurred previously.

How does that make any sense at all? A good real life example (that many of my friends with kids were angry as hell about) was that had the province not imposed the new restrictions kids could have been playing hockey in Toronto but not in Simcoe County based on one Doctor's opinion?

Talk about a broken system.

Yes this is true, but there are always people who take things too far either way.

And there are multiple convoys, unless the convoy can magically transport to all these provinces at once A big one just went through Fredericton yesterday.
- Santo_44

There's one from the west gathering people as it goes.

Kind of.

It left earlier this week in BC. Rolled through here a couple days ago and a couple people here jumped on it.

Another from the east. But one could pretty safely assume there's going to be a bigger percentage of people from BC/AB/SK/MB/ON than there would be coming from the Maritimes.

Nah sorry man, plenty of vaccinated are on board with this. Or at least understand and can take out certain aspects and apply it to your own opinion. No reason to think you have to be complete left or right here.
- Santo_44

You think vaxxed people who have been sitting around for 2 years watching their lives drift away because other people won't get vaxxed are going to support those people when they are protesting mandates against vaxxes??? (with confederate flags on their trucks to boot!?!!?!?!)

Not one double vaxxed, pandemic rule abiding human is going to be on the side of the protesting anti-vaxxers, not one....well maybe the odd Uncle Tom here or there cuz you can't fully control stupid. But not many after 2 years of this dumb poop.

It's obvious you 'think' you got the scoop from your friend and want it to be true so you can say 'I told you so' to everyone else but use your melon Santo. There's no trucks lined up at the border. America has barely even heard of what the (frank) is going on in LOLttawa. I'm down here, we don't care about your poop, we barely care about U.S. poop any more and it's the fall of a Super Power in real-time.

Fox news was estimating 50,000 trucks on their way!

If those are standard 50ft decks, that would be a line of trucks that would literally stretch across all of Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Let's not be stupid here.
- BINGO!

Theo Fleury providing the facts to them.

You think vaxxed people who have been sitting around for 2 years watching their lives drift away because other people won't get vaxxed are going to support those people when the protest mandates against vaxxes??? (with confederate flags on their trucks to boot!?!!?!?!)

Not one double vaxxed, pandemic rule abiding human is going to be on the side of the protesting anti-vaxxers, not one....well maybe the odd Uncle Tom here or there cuz you can't fully control stupid. But not many after 2 years of this dumb poop.

It's obvious you 'think' you got the scoop from your friend and want it to be true so you can say 'I told you so' to everyone else but use your melon Santo. There's no trucks lined up at the border. America has barely even heard of what the (frank) is going on in LOLttawa. I'm down here, we don't care about your poop, we barely care about U.S. poop any more and it's the fall of a Super Power in real-time.
- underhill14

I am just stating what a friend of mine, who crosses the border hundreds of times a year. That is really it. Create any type of perception in your head that you want, I do not care.

Your issue is thinking you have to support complete right winged nut jobs to not fully believe in the mandates. It is not 2 sides here and do not put me on either side.

And good, stay in America and don't come here then.

You think vaxxed people who have been sitting around for 2 years watching their lives drift away because other people won't get vaxxed are going to support those people when the protest mandates against vaxxes??? (with confederate flags on their trucks to boot!?!!?!?!)

Not one double vaxxed, pandemic rule abiding human is going to be on the side of the protesting anti-vaxxers, not one....well maybe the odd Uncle Tom here or there cuz you can't fully control stupid. But not many after 2 years of this dumb poop.

It's obvious you 'think' you got the scoop from your friend and want it to be true so you can say 'I told you so' to everyone else but use your melon Santo. There's no trucks lined up at the border. America has barely even heard of what the (frank) is going on in LOLttawa. I'm down here, we don't care about your poop, we barely care about U.S. poop any more and it's the fall of a Super Power in real-time.
- underhill14

As monkeypunk pointed out earlier, those that hate trudeau will. They'll jump on any train against trudeau whether it makes sense or not.
But this point is so true and sad.

- AdamFrench

I have an opposition to really strict gathering restrictions at this point. I do think truck drivers should have to abide by the same rules that everyone else does when crossing the border. But that's about it.

There's one from the west gathering people as it goes.

Kind of.

It left earlier this week in BC. Rolled through here a couple days ago and a couple people here jumped on it.

Another from the east. But one could pretty safely assume there's going to be a bigger percentage of people from BC/AB/SK/MB/ON than there would be coming from the Maritimes.
- BINGO!

We'll see in a few days, no point in trying to pretend we know how much. All I know is there is multiple and I was responding to the folks who thought the one crossing Kingston was it.

So after the crappy all star break....lots of Leafs games coming our way.

I am just stating what a friend of mine, who crosses the border hundreds of times a year. That is really it. Create any type of perception in your head that you want, I do not care.

Your issue is thinking you have to support complete right winged nut jobs to not fully believe in the mandates. It is not 2 sides here and do not put me on either side.

And good, stay in America and don't come here then.
- Santo_44

"fine, I'm taking my ball and going home"

You think vaxxed people who have been sitting around for 2 years watching their lives drift away because other people won't get vaxxed are going to support those people when the protest mandates against vaxxes??? (with confederate flags on their trucks to boot!?!!?!?!)

Not one double vaxxed, pandemic rule abiding human is going to be on the side of the protesting anti-vaxxers, not one....well maybe the odd Uncle Tom here or there cuz you can't fully control stupid. But not many after 2 years of this dumb poop.

It's obvious you 'think' you got the scoop from your friend and want it to be true so you can say 'I told you so' to everyone else but use your melon Santo. There's no trucks lined up at the border. America has barely even heard of what the (frank) is going on in LOLttawa. I'm down here, we don't care about your poop, we barely care about U.S. poop any more and it's the fall of a Super Power in real-time.
- underhill14

Sorry but that's not true. I personally know several people who support this movement actually and they are not "uncle Tom's" nor "stupid" people. They are compassionate, empathetic, caring, well educated people who are: just tired of what they feel are draconian rules in Ontario when they see other provinces and nations not going to that extreme and not having a much different outcome if different at all. These are their words / feelings (granted paraphrased) not mine but I respect their feelings and opinions.

I think it's time everyone stop slinging mud at everyone who had a different opinion here and outside of here and their opinions.

I have an opposition to really strict gathering restrictions at this point. I do think truck drivers should have to abide by the same rules that everyone else does when crossing the border. But that's about it.
- BINGO!

Sorry pick a side and stay either as far left or right as possible

You aren't allowed to listen to peoples opinions and apply them to yours, you are only allowed to fully apply one side of rules to your life.

As mussel pointed out earlier, those that hate trudeau will. They'll jump on any train against trudeau whether it makes sense or not.
But this point is so true and sad.

- Fakepartofme

Some things are so obvious, even on a message board.

Indeed which is even more confusing and arguably problematic. The fact a municipality or Chief Medical Officer or a Medical Officer of Health for a region can impose restrictions that are more stringent than the provincial restrictions with no provincial approval or oversight is a recepie for disaster in my opinion.

Case in point I'm in Simcoe County and the Chief Medical Officer here went public in the media before the last round of provincial restrictions was imposed and said basically he was unhappy with what was being allowed currently and if the province didn't introduce new / enhanced / more severe (or whatever you want to classify it as) restrictions next week he had an order drafted that he would impose himself.

He did not cite it was due to increased cases in Simcoe County vs anywhere else nor was there any rationale provided that was geographically specific - it really seemed or felt like it was because he believed his opinion was right and the province was wrong. He was mad that the easing of restrictions had occurred previously.

How does that make any sense at all? A good real life example (that many of my friends with kids were angry as hell about) was that had the province not imposed the new restrictions kids could have been playing hockey in Toronto but not in Simcoe County based on one Doctor's opinion?

Talk about a broken system.
- Cush29

Note: I go kinda old man ranty in this, and it's not directed at you, Cushie.

So here's the thing:

People need to cut all elected politicians - from across the political spectrum - some slack on all of the policies implemented throughout COVID.

We didn't know it was coming. Sure, we had some emergency plans, but you don't know how they are going to work until you implement them. Most importantly, you don't know how the public will react, which is going to be the determinant in if your plans are successful or not.

Perfect is the enemy of good.

The feds' covid tracker software on our phones was an excellent plan - but nobody typed in their info, so it turned out to be a terrible plan.

Ford spend about $10M on bracelet tracer thingies, that never got off the ground. Some people are roasting him, but I'm not going to be upset that they tried something.

And in the case of municipalities, I do think there should be some flexibility for places that are harder hit than others. Sometime ago (it's all a blur), Toronto was a poopshow, and Kingston had no cases. It didn't make sense for Kingston to be locked down (until it really made sense for Kingston to be locked down).

We need to stop demonizing politicians. Feel free to hate the policies, but FFS, MPs in Ottawa have been warned by the RCMP that the Freedum Convoy is doxing them, planning to harass their offices and homes. Idiot protesters are outside Premier Ford's home.

You don't like politicians? Keep harassing them, until nobody competent wants the job anymore.

Trust me, you don't want to go there.

Sorry but that's not true. I personally know several people who support this movement actually and they are not "uncle Tom's" nor "stupid" people. They are compassionate, empathetic, caring, well educated people who are: just tired of what the feel are draconian rules n Ontario when they see other provinces and nations not going to that extreme and not having a much different outcome if different at all. These are their words / feelings (granted paraphrased) not mine but I respect their feelings and opinions.

I think it's time everyone stop slinging mud at everyone who had a different opinion here and outside of here and their opinions.
- Cush29

Sorry Cush.

Your recommendation was just noticed and noted.

As mussel pointed out earlier, those that hate trudeau will. They'll jump on any train against trudeau whether it makes sense or not.
But this point is so true and sad.

- Fakepartofme

i said no such thing, i think it was monkey


but it's true

Sorry but that's not true. I personally know several people who support this movement actually and they are not "uncle Tom's" nor "stupid" people. They are compassionate, empathetic, caring, well educated people who are: just tired of what the feel are draconian rules n Ontario when they see other provinces and nations not going to that extreme and not having a much different outcome if different at all. These are their words / feelings (granted paraphrased) not mine but I respect their feelings and opinions.

I think it's time everyone stop slinging mud at everyone who had a different opinion here and outside of here and their opinions.
- Cush29

Yup I am mostly angry at the healthcare system and as a human with several healthcare workers in his family I am tired of seeing the life sucked out of them and being treated like crap.(this was even before the pandemic but its now finally being seen in a crisis situation)

Besides that, I am vaccinated and do not agree with the mandates anymore to my own degree. There are points I agree with from it and points I do not.

Ok first off don't get me wrong, I think it's great that this can happen - GO CANADA!

But wow I'm a bit surprised and the Toronto Star saying the optics are bad isn't that far off really ( I didn't read past the paywall because eff that) - how is it that not even until Monday can you have an "outdoor gathering" of 25 but this is ok?

This is a direct quote from the article I posted and it's talking about what changes on Monday the 31st:

However, social gathering limits will remain more restricted, with 10 people indoors and 25 people outdoors.

This type of thing is exactly what so many are finding frustrating - rules not being applied consistently or evenly to all businesses and I know it's been that way from the outset.

Small businesses have been destroyed by this but big box stores and companies seem to have more leeway than anyone and that's just not right to me.

- Cush29

I agree to the extent that indoor settings should be treated equally. You do have to consider the size of the space and the ventilation systems, etc....

My local restaurants on Ossington are 10' wide and their is almost zero modern ventilation. That's a different issue than the Home Depot with it's 60' ceilings, open garage bays, and massive vent systems.

It was always going to be hard to make a "one shoe fits all" system but I agree some more thought and details would have avoided a lot of the concern that this has never been fair.

I'm more open to the outdoor spaces. Different set of rules. 50% might be a bit much for distancing but the overwhelming majority of contract tracing has always pointed to indoor gatherings.

The science of "spit flying through the air" is going to make me consider making my dirty friends (you know those two single buddies you have in their 40's/50's who pretend they're still 20) wear masks in my house forever. I don't want what's in their mouths in my face.

I am just stating what a friend of mine, who crosses the border hundreds of times a year. That is really it. Create any type of perception in your head that you want, I do not care.

Your issue is thinking you have to support complete right winged nut jobs to not fully believe in the mandates. It is not 2 sides here and do not put me on either side.

And good, stay in America and don't come here then.
- Santo_44

But maybe you could do a little critical thinking about it, no?

Why the frank would a US trucker, who has received two doses willingly, take a couple of days out of his life to protest Canadian vaxx policy?

C'mon, Santo - does that really sound true to you?

If I told you that 50,000 left-wing Canadians were going to go down to Florida to protest Gov. Santis' ban on mask mandates, would you believe it?

godamn friday couldn't come fast enough, doing a little trip to a cabin this weekend

all stocked up with some yellow spot, beausoleils, lobster, 12 lbs of chicken wings, 36 coronas, breakfast sandwich stuff and hashbrowns, and a nice new thick terry cloth robe to keep me from freezing as I'm cooling off from the sauna
- TheMussel

Can I come?

But maybe you could do a little critical thinking about it, no?

Why the frank would a US trucker, who has received two doses willingly, take a couple of days out of his life to protest Canadian vaxx policy?

C'mon, Santo - does that really sound true to you?

If I told you that 50,000 left-wing Canadians were going to go down to Florida to protest Gov. Santis' ban on mask mandates, would you believe it?
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah I know plenty of fully vaccinated people supporting this group to their own degree. Who am I to say there aren't vaccinated people out there who would jump on the convoy.

I am fully vaccinated and I don't agree with a lot of the mandates. Some sure, most I do not.

Elon Musk is vaccinated but against vaccine mandates, this is not a new thing. You do not have to be fully right or left in this.

Can I come?
- AdamFrench

it's a no adams weekend

actually we're already at the indoor gathering limit but next time when covid isn't a thing anymore