Much like sport, there is likely a pretty high 'mental processing speed' threshold needed to be able to compete at these levels. This wouldn't necessitate that everyone that plays at a high level is a genius as this would only be one dimension of one's mental faculties and it can be trained to some extent, but I don't think it's correct to say anyone can do it.

In fact, if I were putting money on it, I'd predict that innate mental faculties are more influential in pro gaming than in elite sport.
- MaximumBone

I mean more in the sense that it isn't reclusive as other sports.

Hockey is way too expensive for the lower middle class family. Once you add in registration cost and equipment for a growing child, you're looking at $1,500+ a year easily. Hell, even soccer academies in Canada are hella expensive. If your parents don't have the money, it's much harder to break into the sport.

All you need to play a game like Rocket League is a gaming device (preferably PC, because PC > Console) a good internet connect and time.

Liberals (or leftist) tend to be more outspoken about social issues. Being accused of multiple cases of domestic assault tends to conflict with morals. Dunno about you, but I'm not going to go against everything I stand for, just for the Oilers to potentially make the playoffs.

Kane helps the forward core, but even in terms of a hockey contract, that (frank)s them over significantly. 2.1m against the cap when this team desperately needs better defensemen.
- Oilers4Life14

For context, I haven't watched an Oilers game in over a month and adding Kane isn't going to change that.

With that said, this move doesn't sway any part of me. Are the allegations surrounding him something that should be considered? Absolutely. Should they be a factor that sways one's take on it? Everyone's mileage will vary.

"Everything I stand for" goes well beyond the frame you seem to be laying out. Part of my view is rooted out of the principle of innocent until proven guilty you dismissed earlier. A large part of it based out of never having viewed athletes as moral exemplars in the first place and, as such, not really caring much about their personal lives. Another facet of it factors in the business angle. Yet another is having sympathy for someone dealing with what seems to be a hostile and caustic divorce (given how divorce courts often favour the mother, the fact that Kane apparently got sole custody of his child says something).

I'm not blind to the moral questions that arise from such allegations but they don't play the primary role in my assessment of the situation.

I mean more in the sense that it isn't reclusive as other sports.

Hockey is way too expensive for the lower middle class family. Once you add in registration cost and equipment for a growing child, you're looking at $1,500+ a year easily. Hell, even soccer academies in Canada are hella expensive. If your parents don't have the money, it's much harder to break into the sport.

All you need to play a game like Rocket League is a gaming device (preferably PC, because PC > Console) a good internet connect and time.
- Oilers4Life14

Ah, if your case is the finances then I agree, it's certainly more accessible. North America seems pretty uniquely expensive- though, I haven't checked prices here in Europe, so maybe not 'uniquely'.

For context, I haven't watched an Oilers game in over a month and adding Kane isn't going to change that.

With that said, this move doesn't sway any part of me. Are the allegations surrounding him something that should be considered? Absolutely. Should they be a factor that sways one's take on it? Everyone's mileage will vary.

"Everything I stand for" goes well beyond the frame you seem to be laying out. Part of my view is rooted out of the principle of innocent until proven guilty you dismissed earlier. A large part of it based out of never having viewed athletes as moral exemplars in the first place and, as such, not really caring much about their personal lives. Another facet of it factors in the business angle. Yet another is having sympathy for someone dealing with what seems to be a hostile and caustic divorce (given how divorce courts often favour the mother, the fact that Kane apparently got sole custody of his child says something).

I'm not blind to the moral questions that arise from such allegations but they don't play the primary role in my assessment of the situation.
- MaximumBone

I mentioned it in a reply to HockeyBuzzed, but here's my take on it.

If someone is accused by one person of what Kane's been accused of, I think "innocent until proven guilty" should be used. However, when it's four different women, that points to a greater trend. In the case against his wife, I truly believe he is innocent, I do want to point that out. However, the poop that happened in 2016 cannot be overlooked (which many people seem to do).

People say that "oh he was not charged" and whatever, but there are many reasons this could be the case. While it could be due to a lack of evidence or it just not true, it's also important to remember that the victim may not want to live through the trauma again. Especially if it's a highly publicized case (which it would be for a pro athlete).

I try my best to view athletes as humans. When I write articles, I make sure not to do hypothetical trades or insult the athlete. It bothers me tremendously when Koskinen gets insulted due to the lack of defense in front of him. I am quick to empathize with him because like many people, I have had mental health issues in the past, and it can't be easy to deal with that criticism.

That goes the same for people that have been accused of doing bad things. I do believe in second chances, Kassian is a great example of that, but there are a few things that someone doesn't deserve a second chance from. Being accused of hitting a women (multiple accusations) is one of those things.

I don't care about being a bad team mate, I don't care about the gambling, I don't care about the fake vaccine passport. All that poop can be redeemed. Domestic abuse and sexual assault cannot be.


As for the business side of things, if we're strictly talking about adding Kane with no other biases, this was a great add. However, they are alienating a portion of their fanbase (which you NEVER want to do as a business), the morality comes into question and they likely overpaid for him.

Oilers4Life, since you already declared you will not be an Oilers fan anymore (so much for that life declaration)...just tell us who your new team will be. It will take about 5 minutes to find someone in that organization who also offends you. I mean the fact that you became an Oilers fan during the MacT era and didn't know his story until yesterday suggests there might be many more NHL players that you are unaware of their history...

Ah, if your case is the finances then I agree, it's certainly more accessible. North America seems pretty uniquely expensive- though, I haven't checked prices here in Europe, so maybe not 'uniquely'.
- MaximumBone

I'll PM you an article I wrote comparing hockey and soccer. I'd just not prefer my real name on here lol.

Oilers4Life, since you already declared you will not be an Oilers fan anymore (so much for that life declaration)...just tell us who your new team will be. It will take about 5 minutes to find someone in that organization who also offends you. I mean the fact that you became an Oilers fan during the MacT era and didn't know his story until yesterday suggests there might be many more NHL players that you are unaware of their history...
- HockeyBuzzed

You know I was like 9 when I started cheering for the Oilers. I couldn't even stay up to watch their games because I live in Ontario lol. Reading about Craig MacTavish's DUI in the 1980s (two decades before I was born), was not something that was on my mind lol.

Interesting how you ignore the other two assault cases directed at women.

Again, the gambling and the cockiness is whatever. While it shows a problematic individual, someone can come back from that. Having four women accuse you of assault/domestic abuse... He shouldn't be playing hockey.
- Oilers4Life14

Interesting how you ignore the other two assault cases directed at women.

Again, the gambling and the cockiness is whatever. While it shows a problematic individual, someone can come back from that. Having four women accuse you of assault/domestic abuse... He shouldn't be playing hockey.
- Oilers4Life14

Last time I checked there are not a lot of women on nhl ice, maybe he should only be playing hockey?Yyou know to keep the ladies safe

Pretty simple. Start a list of all the fans who say they are finished. Then as each one returns laugh and ask what brought them back? That's what I did with people who said they would leave the country if Trump beat Clinton. None of them ever left. All just virtue signaling.
- HockeyBuzzed

I'm sure Kane won't be a distraction or wear out his welcome...

I'm sure Kane won't be a distraction or wear out his welcome...

- Nasty_Duck

Considering it was Jan.22 before they got their first win in '22, I can't imagine any way that Kane being a distraction will have a negative impact on the teams results.

The Flames are officially a more likable team than the Oilers now. And they employ a Tkachuk.
- wreckage

You like to troll everywhere do you jackass.

Oilers @ San Jose on Feb 14. Let's hope someone runs Kane and no Oilers come to his defense.

You like to troll everywhere do you jackass.
- FlamesFan1230

You just don't shut the (frank) up do you? You contribute absolutely nothing to any conversation, but continue to flap your gums.

Oilers @ San Jose on Feb 14. Let's hope someone runs Kane and no Oilers come to his defense.
- wreckage

Wreckage... I think I'm starting to like you a little bit dude.

Edit: Not in a homosexual way

All good...but I could not disagree more! The world is a million times easier for young people these days! You can literally have an idea, a skill, a product, and immediately reach millions of people! It has never ever been easier to make money literally out of nothing, than it is right now!

The kids in 1st place get held back so the others can catch up! Schools no longer fail kids! Actually, some schools have decided not to give out Fs or even Ds! Minor sports no longer keep score so the kids dont get labelled losers!
No div1, div2, etc...all mixed together. Everything..I mean EVERYTHING has been dumbed down. Never in the history of North America has it been this easy to succeed, and yet no one does it! It's baffling. Yes, rates will climb slightly in the next 2yrs or so, but even at a 4% mtg...it's easy to service that debt, with a modest job. I saw an ad for MacDonalds the other day...$17.50 per hour and $3000 signing bonus! At McDonalds! And you say it's harder...puh...leeeeze.

Get to work bro...your 40yr old future self is going to be pissed off at you, trust me.

Joke: what did socialists use before candles
A: electricity

Go OIL!
- JLO961

That’s complete bullpoop. I’m 68 and jobs, education and finances were so much easier when I was growing up than now. But it sure is fun to say “kids sure have it easy”.

I'll PM you an article I wrote comparing hockey and soccer. I'd just not prefer my real name on here lol.
- Oilers4Life14

Ones a real sport and the other one has divers on a pitch

Article summarized

That’s complete bullpoop. I’m 68 and jobs, education and finances were so much easier when I was growing up than now. But it sure is fun to say “kids sure have it easy”.
- Canada Cup

Hey, you're almost 69.

Ones a real sport and the other one has divers on a pitch

Article summarized
- ChonDerry

I mean in terms of play style, that's a fair argument (wrong, but fair).

What I compare though it how much easier it is for parents to put their kids into soccer than in hockey. Also, you don't see many players come outside of Canada/US/Russia/Finland/Sweden/Czechia/Slovakia. It's growing in Germany, Switzerland and a few other places, but it's inaccessible to most unless you're upper middle class.

That’s complete bullpoop. I’m 68 and jobs, education and finances were so much easier when I was growing up than now. But it sure is fun to say “kids sure have it easy”.
- Canada Cup

Example of a $15/hr job (approx $1.20/hr adjusted for inflation) 2021 vs 1971 please.

Example of a $15/hr job (approx $1.20/hr adjusted for inflation) 2021 vs 1971 please.
- JLO961

1 Canadian dollar in 1971 would be worth $6.77 today.

15 Canadian dollars in 1971 would be worth $101.53 today.

(https://www.inflationtool...792&year1=1971&year2=2021)

A private four year university in 1971 cost $1,792 (around $12,129 in today's money). I paid around 9 grand for a two year - four semester diploma at a college

Today, a private four year college costs $35,830.


(https://ca.finance.yahoo....incredible-122000732.html)

And if you want to get a better paying job, you're in school for an additional 2+ years to get a masters.

Unless your parents are rolling in cash, people my age are taking out student loans at an absorbent rate, meaning that the "saving of money" is not nearly as easy as you say it is.

The thing is, to own a house in 1971 was SO much less expensive. Per a star article, a house in Toronto went for an average price of 30,426, or 190,388 in 2014 dollars.

This doesn't factor in how much the prices of houses went up since that article was released 7 years ago.

(frank), my parents only bought a house in 2012 when they were in their mid forties.




Thinking someone is complaining because they are getting (frank)ed over is part of the issue.

1 Canadian dollar in 1971 would be worth $6.77 today.

15 Canadian dollars in 1971 would be worth $101.53 today.

(https://www.inflationtool...792&year1=1971&year2=2021)

A private four year university in 1971 cost $1,792 (around $12,129 in today's money). I paid around 9 grand for a two year - four semester diploma at a college

Today, a private four year college costs $35,830.


(https://ca.finance.yahoo....incredible-122000732.html)

And if you want to get a better paying job, you're in school for an additional 2+ years to get a masters.

Unless your parents are rolling in cash, people my age are taking out student loans at an absorbent rate, meaning that the "saving of money" is not nearly as easy as you say it is.

The thing is, to own a house in 1971 was SO much less expensive. Per a star article, a house in Toronto went for an average price of 30,426, or 190,388 in 2014 dollars.

This doesn't factor in how much the prices of houses went up since that article was released 7 years ago.

(frank), my parents only bought a house in 2012 when they were in their mid forties.




Thinking someone is complaining because they are getting (frank)ed over is part of the issue.
- Oilers4Life14

Yawn. I got a degree without a penny of gifts and a penny of debt. I worked all summer. Worked part time all year. Life is about sacrifices too. I drove a 20 year old clunker. Shopped at value village. Didn't waste money at restaurants or bars. Used the same cell phone for like 9 years. Took an entry level job and worked my way up. Bought a simple condo at age 25. Rode the bus to work. Made my own lunch. The problem today isn't about things being too hard or too expensive. It's an attitude. Next Gen wants it all but rarely make sacrifices or have a realistic plan. Zero sympathy. Go get a 2nd or 3rd job.

Yawn. I got a degree without a penny of gifts and a penny of debt. I worked all summer. Worked part time all year. Life is about sacrifices too. I drove a 20 year old clunker. Shopped at value village. Didn't waste money at restaurants or bars. Used the same cell phone for like 9 years. Took an entry level job and worked my way up. Bought a simple condo at age 25. Rode the bus to work. Made my own lunch. The problem today isn't about things being too hard or too expensive. It's an attitude. Next Gen wants it all but rarely make sacrifices or have a realistic plan. Zero sympathy. Go get a 2nd or 3rd job.
- HockeyBuzzed

1 Canadian dollar in 1971 would be worth $6.77 today.

15 Canadian dollars in 1971 would be worth $101.53 today.

(https://www.inflationtool...792&year1=1971&year2=2021)

A private four year university in 1971 cost $1,792 (around $12,129 in today's money). I paid around 9 grand for a two year - four semester diploma at a college

Today, a private four year college costs $35,830.


(https://ca.finance.yahoo....incredible-122000732.html)

And if you want to get a better paying job, you're in school for an additional 2+ years to get a masters.

Unless your parents are rolling in cash, people my age are taking out student loans at an absorbent rate, meaning that the "saving of money" is not nearly as easy as you say it is.

The thing is, to own a house in 1971 was SO much less expensive. Per a star article, a house in Toronto went for an average price of 30,426, or 190,388 in 2014 dollars.

This doesn't factor in how much the prices of houses went up since that article was released 7 years ago.

(frank), my parents only bought a house in 2012 when they were in their mid forties.




Thinking someone is complaining because they are getting (frank)ed over is part of the issue.
- Oilers4Life14

When you live in a commodity based economic region and you cry that your arts degree is expensive and not earning you money, that's on you, not the economy. You could have taken a trade, which is in ridiculously high demand and guaranteed yourself 80-100K a year. Problem solved.

So y’all still firing everybody?