The pizza Nick served up would have made Johnny O proud.

I know Oduya was older at the time but also shows some guys might take a little longer to adapt to the system.

What a warrior too. Guy was playing on one leg in the ‘15 SCF after I think it was Kucherov who pretty much tried to take him out.

As bad as the D has been the last couple years, most all of them could have been plugged in for the rotation of Kimmo, Rundy, Cumiskey and injured TVR.
- HawkintheD

The Islanders have sure missed him and still a better player than anyone the Hawks have on the left side today...

And he hasn't fired Blashill, as a matter of fact he extended him for 2 more years. Everyone thought Gallant was a shoe-in for that job, considering he was Stevie Y's linemate for quite a few seasons.
- LAHawk

Stevie Y is playing chess, brah. If he didn't want Gallant, I don't want Gallant. If he wants Blashill (coached the USHL Indy Ice to a cup) I want Blashill. If he wants a new parking attendant I want a new parking attendant.

I'll defer to SY on all matters, everytime, LA.

But I like the Kings rebuild better but remember Holland was at the helm of the DET rebuild, SY has "only" been there 4 yrs in April.

It will be interesting to see what Fleury decides. He has some control with his partial NTC. I suspect that the Hawks will not send him anywhere he does not want to go. Maybe Fleury and one of our 3rds for a late 1st round pick. Of course we would need to retain 50% salary. But it would not surprise me if Fleury stays the full year in Chicago.

The Hawks will not get any better than a 3rd for deHaan, Kubalik, or Strome. I would move deHaan and extend Strome and Kubalik for 2 or 3 years at just a little more than they are making now. Strome and Kubalik will have more trade value this summer or at next year’s TDL if they are signed and provide some cost certainty to the team they are going to.
I would keep Connolly as the 13th forward if the other choice was to release him.
- Ztra

I think you take what you can get now for de Haan and Kubalik.

Strome could get you a second if he continues to score. Or you go to arbitration for the next year in his case and hang on to him while you let Dach figure life out. Keep in mind that Reichel is going to need to play somewhere and is that at center or wing on the big club?

Stevie Y is playing chess, brah. If he didn't want Gallant, I don't want Gallant. If he wants Blashill (coached the USHL Indy Ice to a cup) I want Blashill. If he wants a new parking attendant I want a new parking attendant.

I'll defer to SY on all matters, everytime, LA.

But I like the Kings rebuild better but remember Holland was at the helm of the DET rebuild, SY has "only" been there 4 yrs in April.
- Mr Ricochet

Blake has made his mistakes, Kovalchuk was a definite WTF moment, Carter, Phinauf he still has withheld salary buyout for the next couple of years. Luckily for them Kopitar/Doughty are still playing close to when they won the SC, be interesting to see Byfield now for the rest of the year.

Did the Wings really burn it down though? They kind of petered out at the end with Dats and Zetterburg (similar to the Hawks since their last cup) and have been stuck in hell since.

Wings spent years trying to build and win around their two aging stars who were in their early to mid 30s.

My fear is the Hawks keep trying to do this (like this last offseason) and just remain a bubble team around .500 for the next 2-3 years and then decided to burn it down.

Hawks have been in hockey purgatory since 2017.
- bhawks2241

I think the Wings have had some pretty high picks over the past 5+ years. I agree that both petered out at the end of their run, though. But the Wings will have missed the playoffs six straight years this season, and lost in the 1st round three consecutive years before that. Their last playoff win was the round before losing to the Hawks in '13. So, to me, they've been rebuilding for 6-9 years and have little to show for it.

I think you take what you can get now for de Haan and Kubalik.

Strome could get you a second if he continues to score. Or you go to arbitration for the next year in his case and hang on to him while you let Dach figure life out. Keep in mind that Reichel is going to need to play somewhere and is that at center or wing on the big club?
- fattybeef

Dach belongs in Rockford. He brings nothing to the game. Somebody needs to light a fire under his ass. Laziest 20 year old that I've ever seen, but I don't want him traded. For some reason, he just doesn't seem to GAF !!

Stevie Y is playing chess, brah. If he didn't want Gallant, I don't want Gallant. If he wants Blashill (coached the USHL Indy Ice to a cup) I want Blashill. If he wants a new parking attendant I want a new parking attendant.

I'll defer to SY on all matters, everytime, LA.

But I like the Kings rebuild better but remember Holland was at the helm of the DET rebuild, SY has "only" been there 4 yrs in April.
- Mr Ricochet

I see your unassailable devotion to Stevie. Does his success in Tampa mean he'll be successful in Detroit? In the past 30 years, how many GM's have built a championship level team in one city and then replicated the feat elsewhere?

Here's some info on the guy SY replaced in Detroit.

"Ken Holland was the executive vice president and general manager of the club from 1997 to 2019 and winning three Stanley Cup championships. In 2009, Holland was listed as second-best overall on Sports Illustrated's list of the top sports executives of the 2000s."

He was very similar to Stevie, but couldn't replicate it in Detroit or in Edmonton. He's now considered a moron. But Stevie will replicate his success because he did it once? Ok.....

I see your unassailable devotion to Stevie. Does his success in Tampa mean he'll be successful in Detroit? In the past 30 years, how many GM's have built a championship level team in one city and then replicated the feat elsewhere?

Here's some info on the guy SY replaced in Detroit.

"Ken Holland was the executive vice president and general manager of the club from 1997 to 2019 and winning three Stanley Cup championships. In 2009, Holland was listed as second-best overall on Sports Illustrated's list of the top sports executives of the 2000s."

He was very similar to Stevie, but couldn't replicate it in Detroit or in Edmonton. He's now considered a moron. But Stevie will replicate his success because he did it once? Ok.....
- mohel

Holland is garbage, and left Yzerman little to work with. Rebuild in Detroit started with hiring SY, and has been handled phenomenally since, IMO. As an Oil fan suffering through several completely inept GM's, over an unbearable number of years, I would kill for someone like SY to be here running the show.

I think the Wings have had some pretty high picks over the past 5+ years. I agree that both petered out at the end of their run, though. But the Wings will have missed the playoffs six straight years this season, and lost in the 1st round three consecutive years before that. Their last playoff win was the round before losing to the Hawks in '13. So, to me, they've been rebuilding for 6-9 years and have little to show for it.
- mohel

I think they are full rebuild for the last 4 years or so. They held on trying to build around Dats and Z for too long.

Even in 2017, Z , Abdelkader, Helm, and Kronwall were there and they added guys like Vanek, Frans Nielsen, Mike Green, and Steve Ott in an attempt to be competitive. Ended up around .500.

Scary if you think about what the Hawks did this last summer. That is exactly what the Wings did when Dats and Z were old and past their primes.

I am switching camps now. I've seen the light. I hate the Hawks offseason moves now. Stick to the rebuild. Don't follow the Detroit model and try to be competitive with aging stars. The Hawks have to move guys this deadline too. Even if the price isn't the best. No point to holding onto Kubalik, Fleury, Murphy, DeHaan, Carpenter etc.

“*The general manager position will be the "highest-ranking executive in Hockey Operations" and be a direct report to Wirtz.

*Candidates will include individuals in and out of the hockey industry.”

I could see potentially hiring a president from outside of the hockey industry and then have that person hire a “hockey guy” to be GM…similar to the arrangement with McMeddler and Stanblow, but why in the name of all that’s holy would you hire a GM from “outside of the hockey industry”?

Am I the only one who finds this possibility disturbing?

I could see potentially hiring a president from outside of the hockey industry and then have that person hire a “hockey guy” to be GM…similar to the arrangement with McMeddler and Stanblow, but why in the name of all that’s holy would you hire a GM from “outside of the hockey industry”?

Am I the only one who finds this possibility disturbing?
- Ogilthorpe2

Who runs the hockey ops then? An assistant GM who knows hockey? This wreaks of the McD issue that plagued the Hawks. Firm pass. Let's put a non-hockey guy in charge..... b/c that worked well when McD put his nose in everything.

Have we traded for Chychurin yet?

Screw draft picks accumulation now

Have we traded for Chychurin yet?

Screw draft picks accumulation now
- BetweenTheDots

But where do we get the first round draft pick to trade that they would definitely want?

Have we traded for Chychurin yet?

Screw draft picks accumulation now
- BetweenTheDots

Cause the last several guys we got from the Yotes have worked out so well?

See, I knew the Hawks would go all in to make a run this year.

Holland is garbage, and left Yzerman little to work with. Rebuild in Detroit started with hiring SY, and has been handled phenomenally since, IMO. As an Oil fan suffering through several completely inept GM's, over an unbearable number of years, I would kill for someone like SY to be here running the show.
- Beergu

He's off to a good start, Seider and Raymond

But where do we get the first round draft pick to trade that they would definitely want?
- LAHawk

Just give up next years

Just give up next years
- BetweenTheDots

That would be fun, then the BOD could complain of the overpay for both Jones, and Chychryn then

That would be fun, then the BOD could complain of the overpay for both Jones, and Chychryn then
- LAHawk

This board complain, nah

I mean that's a deal a 1st, prospect and young player

Holland is garbage, and left Yzerman little to work with. Rebuild in Detroit started with hiring SY, and has been handled phenomenally since, IMO. As an Oil fan suffering through several completely inept GM's, over an unbearable number of years, I would kill for someone like SY to be here running the show.
- Beergu

Saying a guy who won three Cups in a long career is garbage takes away from the rest of your post, imo.

I get that you're mad about the way things are going, but c'mon man....

This board complain, nah

I mean that's a deal a 1st, prospect and young player
- BetweenTheDots

So a first, Reichel (our only real prospect), and Dach for Chychrun, get her done KD

So a first, Reichel (our only real prospect), and Dach for Chychrun, get her done KD
- LAHawk

Nah that's why they negotiate, it's what Columbus is doing, but still the 1st

https://twitter.com/RyanH...jyb5TUkh3yZBq4cSTH0w&s=01

Figured since he's been brought up

https://twitter.com/RyanHanaWWP/status/1486514691186778112?t=tcjyb5TUkh3yZBq4cSTH0w&s=01

Figured since he's been brought up
- BetweenTheDots

Just looked at Detroits roster, they have $38 mil. in cap space, Nejelkovic in goal, Hronik, Seider and Osterle on defense that is it. Looks like he needs to shore up his back-end, has a few more years to go.

So a first, Reichel (our only real prospect), and Dach for Chychrun, get her done KD
- LAHawk

The Jones Brothers and a roll of tape.

I could see potentially hiring a president from outside of the hockey industry and then have that person hire a “hockey guy” to be GM…similar to the arrangement with McMeddler and Stanblow, but why in the name of all that’s holy would you hire a GM from “outside of the hockey industry”?

Am I the only one who finds this possibility disturbing?
- Ogilthorpe2

I’m with you. Too many instances out there in the non sports world where a “savant” C-suite executive moves to anther industry and his methods fail, which then makes a turnaround that much longer. Find the best available hockey mind to run hockey. Reduce the number of levels needed to make decisions and remain agile in this environment