It’s amazing how much time Flyers fans waste talking about bottom of the roster players when the glaring need is at the top. Ristolainen neither hurts or helps this team as it’s constructed. Who cares about a 4-5 defenseman when the team doesn’t have a one and with the way Provorov has performed doesn’t have a two either.
- psuhockey

I personally agree. But he does hurt the team regarding what was given up and his contract value. He is not paid like a 4/5 guy and nor was the price paid for him.

Re: what you said earlier about CF's hands being tied regarding UFAs, that is frankly my hope. Sometimes teams/organizations that are trying to tread water try too hard, and end up tying themselves to positions that are bound to sink them. There are no easy fixes to this situation. We might have a situation, with an overpaid JG or not, where we are a bottom 10 team for the next 3 years at least and that would have the same effect as the tanking/full rebuild we both want.

said what any gm would say in any sport. Marks like you eat it up.

It already is a clown show. Are you really this blind?
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe I am. Maybe I am a fan at heart and don't want to believe this franchise is a joke and that blinds me. Or maybe I am not letting my emotions get in the way and I am trying to be as objective as I can, and thus I actually listen to what Fletcher states with an open mind. As you know, I have very specific opinions on what is wrong with this team and franchise. I went into yesterdays presser wanting to hear what Fletcher thought was wrong, if he was willing to share it. He was willing to share it and I was amazed at how similar his thoughts on the team were to mine. Thus I came away from the presser feeling like the management of the team had a finger on the pulse and thus I'm willing to give them a chance to execute. MJL, among others, lament that Hextall was not given enough time to execute his plan. Well, if you're one of these people, then why not give Fletcher another year?

Maybe the problem w RR is he’s looking eye level for his partner when he should be looking down at the ice to see his partner toe picking & being shot by the sniper in the nose bleeds 🤷‍♂️

https://twitter.com/avappleyard/status/1486429468587704327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1486429468587704327%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=


Its not as detailed as i first thought
- THE BLACK HAND

Just a cut and paste for those not clicking, as my hair has gone grey arguing this point here (he makes the same point better).

Flyers last 9 seasons, placement in @NHL
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21, 14, 24, 13, 19, 13, 23, 6, 19

Statistically, if you finish outside the top 10? ~1/100 chance of winning as an 11-16 team post lockout.

Statistically, if you dont pick top 10 or so? ~1/20 chance of getting a 1C/1D in a draft.

Sanheim has been on the ice for almost every goal against the last few games and has played a direct hand in allowing the goal in half of em. Risto out there with him. Please don’t post a hand picked stat like this, we watch the games
- ClaudeFather

so have youve seen risto standing out of position, poorly covering 2 on 1s and being oblivious of players behind him on trhe PP. unable to cut off cross ice passes leading to goals....yeah watch some and try to be a second level thinker, I cant hold everybodies hands. You need to understand what youre watching

so have youve seen risto standing out of position, poorly covering 2 on 1s and being oblivious of players behind him on trhe PP. unable to cut off cross ice passes leading to goals....yeah watch some and try to be a second level thinker, I cant hold everybodies hands. You need to understand what youre watching
- THE BLACK HAND

Doesn’t change the fact that Sanheim stinks as well man, time to face the facts. 300 games in.

Sanheim has been on the ice for almost every goal against the last few games and has played a direct hand in allowing the goal in half of em. Risto out there with him. Please don’t post a hand picked stat like this, we watch the games
- ClaudeFather

Its amazing to me how these RR haters like to point out every second Risto appears to be out of position, yet Sanheim is routinely out of position, losing battles, getting caught up ice after yet another failed offensive rush, but because he was drafted by the almighty Hextall he does no wrong.

Maybe I am. Maybe I am a fan at heart and don't want to believe this franchise is a joke and that blinds me. Or maybe I am not letting my emotions get in the way and I am trying to be as objective as I can, and thus I actually listen to what Fletcher states with an open mind. As you know, I have very specific opinions on what is wrong with this team and franchise. I went into yesterdays presser wanting to hear what Fletcher thought was wrong, if he was willing to share it. He was willing to share it and I was amazed at how similar his thoughts on the team were to mine. Thus I came away from the presser feeling like the management of the team had a finger on the pulse and thus I'm willing to give them a chance to execute. MJL, among others, lament that Hextall was not given enough time to execute his plan. Well, if you're one of these people, then why not give Fletcher another year?
- jd250

as I said you are a mark that the FLyers organization loves.

Its amazing to me how these RR haters like to point out every second Risto appears to be out of position, yet Sanheim is routinely out of position, losing battles, getting caught up ice after yet another failed offensive rush, but because he was drafted by the almighty Hextall he does no wrong.
- jd250

Im just spit balling here but maybe what they are really concerned about is investing $6mm (most likely) for a sub optimal defender when we already have issues getting Provy and Sadhiem optimized, especially since we are already invested in them long term.

Doesn't mean they don't think Travis doesn't have room to improve.

Not quite sure why the first inclination here is complete pendulum thinking

https://twitter.com/avappleyard/status/1486429468587704327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1486429468587704327%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=


Its not as detailed as i first thought
- THE BLACK HAND

Fancy numbers to say what everyone already knows. If the Flyers want to turn this around they need top 5 picks. It gives a team the best odds of finding the elite talent needed to win a cup.

Doesn’t change the fact that Sanheim stinks as well man, time to face the facts. 300 games in.
- ClaudeFather

Sanheim could be better. He may be a stunted player.

RR isn't capable of being better. He is already a stunted player.

Doesn’t change the fact that Sanheim stinks as well man, time to face the facts. 300 games in.
- ClaudeFather

I think hes a good dman thats inconsistent and his lack of physicality distorts peoples views. I think he can still improve and be a solid 2nd unit component. That stat I used is to point out that he can and does produce offensively. The why can be debated. If you think he stinks and cant be this, that your perogative

Fancy numbers to say what everyone already knows. If the Flyers want to turn this around they need top 5 picks. It gives a team the best odds of finding the elite talent needed to win a cup.
- psuhockey

The problem is that not everybody agrees to what is so obvious

Doesn’t change the fact that Sanheim stinks as well man, time to face the facts. 300 games in.
- ClaudeFather

This is just an opinion, but I would put Sanheim and TK in the same category. Stagnating, but with high ceilings.

I would personally rather take my chances with such guys and focus on development rather than give up and settle for 'physicality'.

Im just spit balling here but maybe what they are really concerned about is investing $6mm (most likely) for a sub optimal defender when we already have issues getting Provy and Sadhiem optimized, especially since we are already invested in them long term.

Doesn't mean they don't think Travis doesn't have room to improve.

Not quite sure why the first inclination here is complete pendulum thinking
- juiced

Oh I agree, I would not pay Risto any more than $4M per season based on his performance this season, and honestly I don't believe he would be willing to take that kind of pay cut. That is why I believe Fletcher should trade him at the deadline and try to recoup what he lost in acquiring him. It was a gamble that I don't believe has paid off. I was a big Risto believer when the season started and I see what value he brings, but I don't believe its enough for the minutes he is needing to play and the money he would want.

Guys! Did you hear? About Yandles streak???

If those reporters had any sense they would have asked CLIFF "Should Keith have been a healthy scratch at any point this year?"

Sanheim could be better. He may be a stunted player.

RR isn't capable of being better. He is already a stunted player.
- Tomahawk

What do you see in Sanheim's game in the past two seasons that brings you to this conclusion? Again, what does Sanheim do well enough to be considered a consistent top 4 defenseman on a legitimate cup contender?

This is public information (wikipedia) but it serves to illustrate both the nature and extent of what Dave Scott heads, what part of that is the Flyers, and where his incentives likely lies.



Addition Financial Arena at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, Florida
Angel of the Winds Arena in Everett, Washington
Atlantic City Convention Center and Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey
Augusta Entertainment Complex in Augusta, Georgia
Budweiser Gardens in London, Ontario, Canada
Chaifetz Arena at Saint Louis University in St. Louis, Missouri
Children's Mercy Park in Kansas City, Kansas
Cleveland State University Wolstein Center, in Cleveland, Ohio
Cross Insurance Arena in Portland, Maine
Cross Insurance Center in Bangor, Maine
Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville, North Carolina
Denny Sanford Premier Center in Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Duke Energy Convention Center in Cincinnati, Ohio
Fargodome in Fargo, North Dakota
Ford Entertainment Complex in Beaumont, Texas
Glens Falls Civic Center in Glens Falls, New York
Liacouras Center at Temple University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Lowell Memorial Auditorium, located in Lowell, Massachusetts
Overland Park Convention Center in Overland Park, Kansas
PPL Center in Allentown, Pennsylvania
RingCentral Coliseum in Oakland, California
Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates, Illinois, a Chicago suburb
SeatGeek Stadium in Bridgeview, Illinois, a Chicago suburb
Sioux Falls Convention Center in Sioux Falls, South Dakota
South Okanagan Events Centre in Penticton, British Columbia
St. Charles Convention Center in Saint Charles, Missouri
State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona
Subaru Park in Chester, Pennsylvania, a Philadelphia suburb
Sun National Bank Center in Trenton, New Jersey
Tribute Communities Centre in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
Tyson Events Center in Sioux City, Iowa
University of Massachusetts Amherst William D. Mullins Memorial Center, located in Amherst, Massachusetts
University of Massachusetts Lowell Tsongas Center, located in Lowell, Massachusetts
Value City Arena at The Ohio State University, in Columbus, Ohio
Watsco Center at the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Florida
Wells Fargo Arena, part of the Iowa Events Center in Des Moines, Iowa
Wells Fargo Center is in Spectra's corporate hometown of Philadelphia. The Wells Fargo Center's predecessor, The Spectrum, is the namesake of the company.
WFCU Centre in Windsor, Ontario
XL Center in Hartford, Connecticut
Colisée Vidéotron in Trois-Rivières, Quebec, Canada

Kronwall would pick his spots. Stevens would pick his spots.

RR goes for it every, single, time. 😂

Not to mention, Kronwall would time it so he got.you right as you were receiving a pass. RR hits guys after the puck is gone mostly.
- Tomahawk

Whoa did someone compare RR to kronwall🤣

I’m sure they feel invested in RR bc of what they gave up to get him. They are publicly saying they want to double down on the mistake. Giving anything more than a 1 year 2.5 mil dollar deal for him is incompetence. If he won’t sign that then goodbye

Whoa did someone compare RR to kronwall🤣
- Just5

Unfavorably.

But I was referring specifically to Kronwall's hip checks along the boards.

Fancy numbers to say what everyone already knows. If the Flyers want to turn this around they need top 5 picks. It gives a team the best odds of finding the elite talent needed to win a cup.
- psuhockey

Yup, and that is why I sincerely hope they don't improve this year. We can't continue to draft players at 14 and expect to get the top end talent Fletcher stated this team needs. The good news is Fletcher agreed that the draft is the best way to get top end talent, and I think he knows the odds are best if you are picking in the top 5. Of course he is not going to state publicly that he wants this team to tank this year, but inside the org I think that is what they plan on doing. The comment about taking advantage of their opportunities leads me to believe they are going for a top pick this year.

This is just an opinion, but I would put Sanheim and TK in the same category. Stagnating, but with high ceilings.

I would personally rather take my chances with such guys and focus on development rather than give up and settle for 'physicality'.
- PT21

I’m not advocating for Risto to stay here, I hope he gets traded. I don’t know why these two always have to be linked. They can both stink.

Maybe I am. Maybe I am a fan at heart and don't want to believe this franchise is a joke and that blinds me. Or maybe I am not letting my emotions get in the way and I am trying to be as objective as I can, and thus I actually listen to what Fletcher states with an open mind. As you know, I have very specific opinions on what is wrong with this team and franchise. I went into yesterdays presser wanting to hear what Fletcher thought was wrong, if he was willing to share it. He was willing to share it and I was amazed at how similar his thoughts on the team were to mine. Thus I came away from the presser feeling like the management of the team had a finger on the pulse and thus I'm willing to give them a chance to execute. MJL, among others, lament that Hextall was not given enough time to execute his plan. Well, if you're one of these people, then why not give Fletcher another year?
- jd250

I agree that both DS and CF said a lot of the right words. I also believe that any of us could've sat in either chair and said the exact same words.

as I said you are a mark that the FLyers organization loves.
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe, or maybe you just want this team to fail

The flyers are not contending next year.

That means that in ufa there are to be no multi year deals made. End of story.

If they want to build something and win big that’s what needs to happen for multiple summers

If they want playoff revenue that’s not happening