I must have missed the memo that said Severson was great. He's all world meh, as far as I concerned . Decent 2nd pairing.

I wouldn't trade Liljegren for him and I very much hope the Leafs agree with that.

Not that it's related, but giving up a 1st and Liljegren is more than has been talked about for Chycrhun and Chychrun is much much better than Severson.
- GreatGigInTheSky

From what I've read the general "ask" is ..

Chycrhun = 3 good young assets
Severson = 2 good young assets (like a Muzzin deal)
Chiarot = 1 good young asset

Also he sucks. The league can actually deal with poopty players being dirty. Good players can move along.
- AdamFrench

He seems to get worse and worse as his career goes lol

I just re-watched it (again) and am now more of the belief it is dirty and to Dozzer's point and other's Dell may get a game or more.

If you watch Dell's footwork after he dishes the puck but before the contact he stops and actually moves out / further away from the net where he should be going to in order to initiate the contact.

To me that makes it dirty.
- Cush29

I honestly don't see his feet move that much to get in his way, he does swivel a bit and put the shoulder out but his feet and the area he's occupying is pretty unchanged. Had he not moved at all, I think Batherson still would have run into him or clipped him which goalies seem to hate. Most times goalies get out of the way and Batherson was expecting that. Still not great, but I think it's more about the injury than the action

let me guess. you still think he took horse medicine
- drexel

he threw the kitchen sink at covid*

I know they can, just not a fan of the they can hit but cant be hit rule.
Even though I played goalie.
(Which I know, doesnt make me an expert)
- Fakepartofme

Yup, either let them be hit or restrict where they can play physical 100% (the crease alone)

Flyers fire sale pending 😃

Possible options:

Konecny 4 x 5.5m
Provorov 4 x 6.75m
Farabee 7 x 5m
Sanheim 2 x 4.675m
Risto 6.4m UFA
Giroux 8.275m UFA

Couturier Hayes and JVR are too expensive

Wow, what a train wreck

Note: Sandin’s bro on Philly 🤔
- mr.sir

I think Giroux and Ristolainen are the only 2 guys they'd trade and only Giroux would probably be worth it. Ristolainen is straight ass.

Gibson does it constantly… watch tonight ..
- dozerD10

Huh. He's 28. I wonder if there was a change in the way goalies were taught.

A lot of the younger guys back up and into their net area when they're in the blue. I suspect it's to allow their own team to move the puck without the risk of interference to puck movement from the goalie (I've seen it happen (like two or three times, so it's not like, "THERE'S A CONSTANT BARRAGE OF GOALIES SCORING ON THEMSELVES! WHO WILL STOP THE MADNESS!?") where the puck hits the goalies skates on the pass out)?

I mean when I was younger, and I don't know if you're over 40 or not, but it was ingrained to NEVER move the puck in front of your own net. My dad can't watch hockey without going nuts because he's so mad when he sees it, but it happens about a hundred times a game now. To be honest, my dad can't do much anymore without going nuts, but I digress . . . a lot of styles changed as more European influence came along and some great regrouping strategies from soccer were employed - because we were also taught to move the puck forward - never pass it back. Frankly the drop-back on the power play still irritates me.

Where was I? Oh yeah. I'll pay attention to Gibson tonight.

So what's Nato gonna do?

IMO if they don't put their foot down, come to an emergency agreement with Ukraine, and actually commit troops, no amount of threats of economic sanctions will stop Russia from invading. Territory is far more scarce than semiconductors.
- TheMussel

It’s tough. NATO is a mutual defence agreement and, unfortunately, Ukraine is not a member. At most my guess is we’ll see weapons, financial aid and sanctions. Germany has weird vibes about sending troops or military support. First you’re sending anti-tank missiles to Ukraine, then you’re marching into Sudetenland. Sanctions aimed at oligarchs will upset them but what are they going to do? Nothing the west can do will hurt as much as Putin gains by showing that former satellites can cozy up to the west. It’ll suck when Ovi heads home to fight.

From what I've read the general "ask" is ..

Chycrhun = 3 good young assets
Severson = 2 good young assets (like a Muzzin deal)
Chiarot = 1 good young asset
- The Law

The only one of those 3 that I think would be worth it is Chychrun and he'd cost the most for sure, but I'd do it for him.

My comparison was more that Liljegren > top prospects needed for Chychrun.

That's a perfectly valid position, and the primary reason he's still not eligible. The opposing position that he never intended (or understood the ramifications) to throw the games is the counter position. Both positions are really valid, and also moot since Jackson died 70 years ago. He had no kids to satisfy with any change in ruling, so other than optics or to appease some historians, there's no need to change positions on it now.
- Monkeypunk

I don't agree with Shoeless Joe's exclusion. His numbers are HOF worthy, as are those of Pete Rose. If character flaws, addictions to booze, drugs, gambling whatever are used to exclude or make ineligible, then why is Ty Cobb in the HOF.

Huh. He's 28. I wonder if there was a change in the way goalies were taught.

A lot of the younger guys back up and into their net area when they're in the blue. I suspect it's to allow their own team to move the puck without the risk of interference to puck movement from the goalie (I've seen it happen (like two or three times, so it's not like, "THERE'S A CONSTANT BARRAGE OF GOALIES SCORING ON THEMSELVES! WHO WILL STOP THE MADNESS!?") where the puck hits the goalies skates on the pass out)?

I mean when I was younger, and I don't know if you're over 40 or not, but it was ingrained to NEVER move the puck in front of your own net. My dad can't watch hockey without going nuts because he's so mad when he sees it, but it happens about a hundred times a game now. To be honest, my dad can't do much anymore without going nuts, but I digress . . . a lot of styles changed as more European influence came along and some great regrouping strategies from soccer were employed - because we were also taught to move the puck forward - never pass it back. Frankly the drop-back on the power play still irritates me.

Where was I? Oh yeah. I'll pay attention to Gibson tonight.
- Monkeypunk

40, man I wish … ha

My main point was Gibby running interference behind the net & around the posts… he’s always doing that. Most all his beefs result from those moves…

I wish he never left the net… he sucks at handling the puck…

I don't agree with Shoeless Joe's exclusion. His numbers are HOF worthy, as are those of Pete Rose. If character flaws, addictions to booze, drugs, gambling whatever are used to exclude or make ineligible, then why is Ty Cobb in the HOF.
- winsix

Shoeless Joe was one of the 8 guys who tossed in the championship finals (yes I know some people dispute it but it was proven and stands proven).

Rose used to bet on the reds while he managed them.

If you’re corrupt that’s one thing but if your corruption effects the game you are involved in you don’t deserve the HoF.

I don't agree with Shoeless Joe's exclusion. His numbers are HOF worthy, as are those of Pete Rose. If character flaws, addictions to booze, drugs, gambling whatever are used to exclude or make ineligible, then why is Ty Cobb in the HOF.
- winsix

Cobb didnt gamble or bet on the game.
He was attacked and defended himself.....and may have exaggerated a bit

From what I've read the general "ask" is ..

Chycrhun = 3 good young assets
Severson = 2 good young assets (like a Muzzin deal)
Chiarot = 1 good young asset
- The Law

also a 1st instead of 1 good young asset

also, I would expect the quality of the young asset to be a bit higher in the deal for chikrun

let me guess. you still think he took horse medicine
- drexel

He took something stupid to take. May as well have blown a horse.

Shoeless Joe was one of the 8 guys who tossed in the championship finals (yes I know some people dispute it but it was proven and stands proven).

Rose used to bet on the reds while he managed them.

If you’re corrupt that’s one thing but if your corruption effects the game you are involved in you don’t deserve the HoF.
- Dozzer

Ty Cobb was about a corrupt a player as there was and is in the Hall. Harold Ballard is in the HHOF. If you exclude some for being unworthy based on character, hold all others to the same standard. Excluding them is ok in my view - make it a point to kick out the ones that got in, and proved that they were not worthy. Cobb was involved in fixing games and was alledgedly a member of the KKK.

He took something stupid to take. May as well have blown a horse.
- Zezel

Until Drexel can prove he didn't, I'm on your side.

Cobb didnt gamble or bet on the game.
He was attacked and defended himself.....and may have exaggerated a bit
- Fakepartofme

He was a racist POS when a lot of people were openly racist. Bonds and Clemons used when a lot of people used.

Cobb didnt gamble or bet on the game.
He was attacked and defended himself.....and may have exaggerated a bit
- Fakepartofme

He was involved in a game fixing scheme with Tris Speaker from what I've read.

Ty Cobb was about a corrupt a player as there was and is in the Hall. Harold Ballard is in the HHOF. If you exclude some for being unworthy based on character, hold all others to the same standard. Excluding them is ok in my view - make it a point to kick out the ones that got in, and proved that they were not worthy. Cobb was involved in fixing games and was alledgedly a member of the KKK.
- winsix

Cobb may have been corrupt but it was kept hidden and he never was truly found guilty of it.

That’s the difference.

Until Drexel can prove he didn't, I'm on your side.
- Monkeypunk

Did Rogan blow a horse? Just asking questions here.

He was a racist POS when a lot of people were openly racist. Bonds and Clemons used when a lot of people used.
- Canada Cup

Yup but he also played when only white guys were allowed in the league.

Should everything from that era be removed due to this?

Yes ball players were racist but in that era just about everyone was. Society was the problem, not just a handful of athletes.

He was a racist POS when a lot of people were openly racist. Bonds and Clemons used when a lot of people used.
- Canada Cup

True, but times have changed.
ah well to bonds and clemons.

Watch this, it's short and to the point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSQyZYGFe3s
- Monkeypunk

imo

that's at least 2 minute penalty

Did Rogan blow a horse? Just asking questions here.
- Zezel

someone on FB mentioned that can help with covid..so maybe