Oddly enough, we don't see him much around these parts anymore.

I miss him.
- Atomic Wedgie

The Sens are doing ok, but the Leafs are doing very well. Will have to wait for the Leafs to hit a cold spell.

There was only one guy on earth who thought that the Leafs should consider drafting Laine instead of Matthews, and that guy was Spatso.
- Atomic Wedgie

Doesn't matter.

If you do not give them credit for drafting Matthews then you are eliminating a top draft selection from the Leafs arsenal...and in your little exercise is completely unfair and skews any relevance when comparing draft success to other teams.

There is a lot of luck in every draft pick, much more so in the later rounds. The Leafs were lucky their 1st overall pick fell onto the Matthews year just as they were lucky to stumble on and draft Johnsson in the 7th round.

I dont care about 2015-2017..that was a different GM and Hunter? and different decisions.. anyways

2108 on, we dont have enough runway to really say.
The problem is only looking at the Leafs and trying to analyze it. You have to stack up against the entire League.

as for Robertson, tou kinda did the same thing with Kapanen, I specifically remember you calling him a nothing prospect, over rated by fans.
- senstroll

Zorch Tkachuk was a really good pick at 5th overall for the Pfizer Rangers.

Spatso has been Tucker Carlson this whole time?

Explains everything.
- Atomic Wedgie

Tucker would have taken the Russian - all the Russians

Leafs Nation clings to this bizarre idea that we have drafted well over the past few years. It's franking bizarre.

Dubas was hired by MLSEL in July 2014, so let's evaluate what has gone on from the 2015 draft onwards.

2015: You don't get credit for drafting Marner. Anyone in the top 10 would be a great pick (except Strome). Hell, it was one of the greatest drafts of all time, which makes it all the more stupid that we traded down. We could have had Konecny, or Beauvillier, but instead we moved to the 2nd round and got Dermott and Bracco. Dermott is a burrito filled with Meh, and I think Bracco filled my car with gas this morning (it was too cold to do self-serve). Nobody else in 2015 is worth mentioning, with only Timashov ever playing in the NHL.

2016: You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. 31st overall was Korshkov - a criminally stupid pick. Why the hell are you picking an overager so high? Everyone else selected sucked.

2017: Lilgegren. It was a weak draft, so this is neither a good nor bad pick. Nobody else has played a game in the NHL.

2018: Sandin was an OK pick. Everything else was crap. Only Durzi has played in the NHL.

2019: Nick Robertson. Leafs Nation over-rates him.

I won't do 2020 and 2021 because it is obviously too early, but can we please stop with this narrative that we draft well and have an amazaballz prospect pool?

We have three elite players from tanking, we signed some free agents (for which I give them credit), and Dubas has also done a fantastic job of filling holes on the cheap.

But our drafting and player development still sucks ass - like it has for 50 years.
- Atomic Wedgie

Even a meh burrito is pretty good

I dont care about 2015-2017..that was a different GM and Hunter? and different decisions.. anyways

2018 on, we dont have enough runway to really say.
The problem is only looking at the Leafs and trying to analyze it. You have to stack up against the entire League.

as for Robertson, you kinda did the same thing with Kapanen, I specifically remember you calling him a nothing prospect, over rated by fans.
- senstroll

agreed.

When someone tries to say you have to eliminate two 1st round picks to properly evaluate draft success its an obvious pessimist take.

Dubas created value with Knies, Niemela and Robertson. Would anyone trade a late 2nd for Robertson or Knies right now? No (frank)ing way. A late 3rd for Niemela? Not a chance.

All you can do with the current prospect pool is to go off of value, not NHL success because there is none.

Oddly enough, we don't see him much around these parts anymore.

I miss him.
- Atomic Wedgie

You can always visit his personal blog to see some of his insightful posts.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...143287&page=last#22047934

Good analogy - As Cush pointed out, hard for a goalie to really get into it, when he faces as few shots as the Leafs have been giving up. I have more confidence with Campbell in net than I had with Freddy there. Without looking it up, I'd think that Freddy was lousy in shootout situations. Campbell was good in the shootout yesterday.
- winsix

It's actually an incorrect analogy - I have Stieb confused with someone else.

Probably Key.

1992:

Key: 13-13, 3.53 ERA

Morris: 21-6, 4.04 ERA

Stieb: 4-6, 5.04 ERA

Guzman: 16-5, 2.64 ERA

Guzman also had the sweetest hair of any Toronto athlete, ever.

Even a meh burrito is pretty good
- Zezel

What if it has rows of corn?



Nevermind, that could work.

Even a meh burrito is pretty good
- Zezel

Burritos are the texmex equivalent of pizza


Even bad burritos are good

Cold leftover burritos for breakfast the next day is amazing

It barely resembles the original dish

i mean, they won the draft lottery and took the number 1 player out there. It's not really skilled drafting.

But there are all kinds of misses at pick 4, so getting Marner there is pretty damn good imo.
- prock

Looking at it from an optimist view with the same ridiculous mindset, I chose to not only use the Leafs draft history from the past 5 years, but to also add random made up 1st round picks to the draft pool to evaluate Dubas's drafting.

Zargus Nofenhymer- a late 1st round pick who won the calder last year with 97 points and 457 hits.

What if it has rows of corn?



Nevermind, that could work.
- AdamFrench

Lolololol

🌽 🌯 💞

agreed.

When someone tries to say you have to eliminate two 1st round picks to properly evaluate draft success its an obvious pessimist take.

Dubas created value with Knies, Niemela and Robertson. Would anyone trade a late 2nd for Robertson or Knies right now? No (frank)ing way. A late 3rd for Niemela? Not a chance.

All you can do with the current prospect pool is to go off of value, not NHL success because there is none.
- Santo_44

this is the only current rankings that have come up that I see
https://theathletic.com/3...o-15-toronto-maple-leafs/

Leafs at 15th, all the prospect noted are from Dubas GM era.
I think he has done well to keep the Leafs prospects decent'ish while trading away a lot of picks.

I dont think Fans think the Leafs have the uber awesomest propect pool.
somewhere in the mushy middle..which feels acceptable at this point

this is the only current rankings that have come up that I see
https://theathletic.com/3...o-15-toronto-maple-leafs/

Leafs at 15th, all the prospect noted are from Dubas GM era.
I think he has done well to keep the Leafs prospects decent'ish while trading away a lot of picks.

I dont think Fans think the Leafs have the uber awesomest propect pool.
somewhere in the mushy middle..which feels acceptable at this point
- senstroll

I don't know how you could expect much more or less than this. Not when you are competing with teams who have been consistently bad and have traded away talent for picks consistently. Or are we supposed to take away their top 10 picks as well?

Burritos are the texmex equivalent of pizza


Even bad burritos are good

Cold leftover burritos for breakfast the next day is amazing

It barely resembles the original dish
- TheMussel

True statements

Even a garbage frozen 7—11 burrito heated up in the microwave has a strange and terrible beauty

I don't know how you could expect much more or less than this. Not when you are competing with teams who have been consistently bad and have traded away talent for picks consistently. Or are we supposed to take away their top 10 picks as well?
- Santo_44

if you look at all the "contenders" in the East this is where SW ranks them

TB - 30
Pens - 29
Canucks - 28 lol
Boston - 27
Caps - 26
Florida - 23
Avs - 21 (toss them in)
NYR - 18
Leafs - 15

I dont get the complaning about the Leafs drafting

I do get it from 2015-17..it was horrible

True statements

Even a garbage frozen 7—11 burrito heated up in the microwave has a strange and terrible beauty
- Zezel

I now finish my microwave burritos with 2 minutes in the air fryer.

So much better.

I'm high society that way.

It's actually an incorrect analogy - I have Stieb confused with someone else.

Probably Key.

1992:

Key: 13-13, 3.53 ERA

Morris: 21-6, 4.04 ERA

Stieb: 4-6, 5.04 ERA

Guzman: 16-5, 2.64 ERA

Guzman also had the sweetest hair of any Toronto athlete, ever.
- Atomic Wedgie

I guess neither really are comparables. I get what you were trying to say. In 1992 Wells went 14 and 7 despite an ERA of 5.40. It certainly helped the cause that Timlin, Ward and Henke were in the pen, but with that offense, it was a little like Grant Fuhr's high GAA and high win total due to Oilers offense pounding the crap out of the opposition.

Burritos are the texmex equivalent of pizza


Even bad burritos are good

Cold leftover burritos for breakfast the next day is amazing

It barely resembles the original dish
- TheMussel

I will say this...there is a bad burrito. I got it at Wholefoods as a lark and it was a vegetarian frozen Amy's Vietnamese Banh Mi burrito. It was (frank)ing nasty.

I dont care about 2015-2017..that was a different GM and Hunter? and different decisions.. anyways

2018 on, we dont have enough runway to really say.
The problem is only looking at the Leafs and trying to analyze it. You have to stack up against the entire League.

as for Robertson, you kinda did the same thing with Kapanen, I specifically remember you calling him a nothing prospect, over rated by fans.
- senstroll

This.

You can say that Dubas had input in 2015, but 2016 & 2017 were Mark Hunter. In 2015, word was that Dubas was behind some skill guys that didn't pan out: Dzierkals, Timashov and I think Bracco.

In 2018, the following guys were drafted:

Rasmus Sandin (1-29): Good, late pick. Achieved better than his standing.
Sean Durzi (2-52): Seems to have been a decent pick; playing in teh NHL.
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev (3-76): Unsure - I doubt he makes the NHL.
Riley Stotts (3-83)
Mac Hollowell (4-118)
Filip Kral (5-149): Possible tweener, likely AHL / SHL / KHL guy.
Pontus Holmberg (6-156): Doing well in the SHL, and has an outside chance.
Zachary Bouthillier (7-209)
Semyon Kizimov (7-211)

In 2019, the following guys were drafted:

Nicholas Robertson (2-53)
Mikko Kokkonen (3-84)
Mikhail Abramov (4-115)
Nicholas Abruzzese (4-124)
Michael Koster (5-146)
Kalle Loponen (7-204)

I think outside of Loponen, all of those guys are still legitimate shots (Koster less likely, if I recall) to play in the NHL.

In 2020, the following guys were drafted:

Rodion Amirov (1-15)
Roni Hirvonen (2-59)
Topi Niemela (3-64)
Artur Akhtyamov (4-106)
William Villeneuve (4-122)
Dmitry Ovchinnikov (5-137)
Veeti Miettinen (6-168)
Axel Rindell (6-177)
Joe Miller (6-180)
John Fusco (7-189)
Wyatt Schingoethe (7-195)
Ryan Tverberg (7-213)

Too early to say, but there is good press on Amirov, Hirvonen, Niemela, Villeneuve, Miettinen, Rindell and Tverberg.

Last year only 3 guys were taken:

Matthew Knies (2-57)
Ty Voit (5-153)
Vyacheslav Peksa (6-185)

Knies and Voit both look decent so far.

From the goalies they've drafted, you just don't know, but Peksa and Akhtyamov (I hope he doesn't make it, I don't want to type that name) have been decent and they at least come from a goalie factory in Russia.

I have no problem with WHAT they are doing, but they aren't sneaking any elite Zetterberg or Datsyuk or Point picks in the late rounds that we know of yet.

Burritos are the texmex equivalent of pizza


Even bad burritos are good

Cold leftover burritos for breakfast the next day is amazing

It barely resembles the original dish
- TheMussel

I now finish my microwave burritos with 2 minutes in the air fryer.

So much better.

I'm high society that way.
- Atomic Wedgie

Air fryer.....I haven't had much in it I didn't like!

Breakfast air fryer deliciousness is a piece of bread lightly buttered. Depress a circle in the middle with a spoon and crack and egg into the hole. Piece of bacon around the hole and some cheese on top and cook that sucker up.

So good and easy.

It's actually an incorrect analogy - I have Stieb confused with someone else.

Probably Key.

1992:

Key: 13-13, 3.53 ERA

Morris: 21-6, 4.04 ERA

Stieb: 4-6, 5.04 ERA

Guzman: 16-5, 2.64 ERA

Guzman also had the sweetest hair of any Toronto athlete, ever.
- Atomic Wedgie

Soul glow?

Air fryer.....I haven't had much in it I didn't like!

Breakfast air fryer deliciousness is a piece of bread lightly buttered. Depress a circle in the middle with a spoon and crack and egg into the hole. Piece of bacon around the hole and some cheese on top and cook that sucker up.

So good and easy.
- Cush29

If I made nothing but frozen french fries in my air fryer, it would still be an excellent purchase. I can't franking believe how good they taste.

Everything beyond that is just bonus.

Twinkies are surprisingly good.

I now finish my microwave burritos with 2 minutes in the air fryer.

So much better.

I'm high society that way.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well la di da.

Seriously are those air fryers legit. I hear mixed reports.