Aaron Dell

Can you imagine if that was Marner?
- mr.sir

I'll preface by saying it's completely illegal and if they suspend him, which they likely will, then good.

But . . . goalies do this ALL the time and it's never called. The result isn't always this egregious, but they run interference around their net stepping in front of guys, having a part of their body out of the crease, etc. They try to create some form of contact to draw a penalty.

There's no bloody way Batherson is unaware that this can happen. Everyone knows that goalies are running picks.

Dell steps in and delivers an actual hit, but first and foremost his body is in a position that you need to avoid anyway. Skating around him like he's a speed pylon (or buzzing the tower a la Top Gun) doesn't make Batherson completely victimless.

Is it weird that Severson has been "that underrated young an up and coming" RHD for like 7 years?
- AdamFrench

kid is near 30 and we're calling him up and coming, still?

I like the long format of Rogan and he has had some good shows but by bro-sciencing it during a pandemic he has badly soiled himself. It's really unfortunate. For a guy who has access to a plethora of expert opinion he went inexplicably off the rails.

I'll preface by saying it's completely illegal and if they suspend him, which they likely will, then good.

But . . . goalies do this ALL the time and it's never called. The result isn't always this egregious, but they run interference around their net stepping in front of guys, having a part of their body out of the crease, etc. They try to create some form of contact to draw a penalty.

There's no bloody way Batherson is unaware that this can happen. Everyone knows that goalies are running picks.

Dell steps in and delivers an actual hit, but first and foremost his body is in a position that you need to avoid anyway. Skating around him like he's a speed pylon (or buzzing the tower a la Top Gun) doesn't make Batherson completely victimless.
- Monkeypunk

I don’t want to argue with you since I think you are one of the best on here, but…
I can’t recall the last time a Leaf goalie did that

Ah, you missed the 5 minute snippet of the 8 year podcast I watched where I based my entire worldview off of.
- AdamFrench

they talked about that for 5 minutes?

From last blog:

Not disagreeing with anything you said, but I'm guessing that Ortiz's ballots were boosted by his actions post-Boston bombing.

He became an icon for "Boston Strong" - and writers love the whole "transcended the sport" narrative.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah, exactly.

I think the problem ultimately is that baseball writers have decided that they should be the moral compass of the sport when the sport itself should be the moral compass of the sport. If MLB felt that Clemens, Bond, Schilling et al were not eligible due to their past actions, then MLB should have removed them from eligibility.

If they are eligible, then they should be vetted on their on-field merits, not on supposition of behaviour or by a varying moral code that is also strongly influenced by the moral persuasions during different periods of time.

The 1919 White Sox, for instance, who threw the World Series - had eight players (including Shoeless Joe Jackson who probably shouldn't be there) who were placed on baseball HoF ineligible list. No one can vote for them.

Everyone from the 2017 Astros is eligible. Will the writers association have the same high moral standards when Verlander and Altuve are up for HoF eligibility?

they talked about that for 5 minutes?
- senstroll

I don’t want to argue with you since I think you are one of the best on here, but…
I can’t recall the last time a Leaf goalie did that
- mr.sir

stepped into a players lane? happens pretty frequently. Goalies may, most often, stay out most physical contact, but they're allowed to hit, and players are allowed to hit them in instances theyre out of their crease.

That didnt really look much like a hit, he squared up but didnt launch or go at the guy. I think Batherson assumed he would get out of the way, and he didnt. I dont see much of an elbow, but i havent spent much time watching it, I could be wrong.

Belarus TV commentary very excited and aggressive about upcoming Olympic hockey tournament. Sorry my bad. They’re talking about imminent invasion of Ukraine and the west.

https://mobile.twitter.co.../1486300696681066503?s=12

I don’t want to argue with you since I think you are one of the best on here, but…
I can’t recall the last time a Leaf goalie did that
- mr.sir

Maybe Belfour? I know he used to like to 'interfere' usually by making a wider turn or standing in the way

Maybe Belfour? I know he used to like to 'interfere' usually by making a wider turn or standing in the way
- PatC80

lots of goalies make sure they get in a forecheckers lane, and make it look like they're just skating back to their crease. throwing a pick is illegal, its interference. But its not interference if you're just standing your ground and not moving into their lane. Its also legal if throwting a hit is legal (i.e. the opposing player has just gotten rid of the puck).

I don’t want to argue with you since I think you are one of the best on here, but…
I can’t recall the last time a Leaf goalie did that
- mr.sir

I don't mean throw a hit, so we're clear. What Dell did was WAY over the line. But you'll see goalies just get in the way. Step out of the crease, make a guy go around.
Bump a skater with their ass a little. Goalies who come to mind (looking at a list) are: Mike Smith, Holtby, Markstrom, Quick, Anderson, Lehner . . . you know, as I look through this list of goalies to remind myself who's who of goalies creating interference around the net, I have to admit, it's a diminishing number of goalies who do it, and look at the names I'm initially throwing out - they're all over 30. Martin Jones does it (32) . . . Binnington might be the youngest at 28 I can see on that list of guys who immediately jump out to me as goalies who run some interference around their crease. I think Carter Hutton maybe . . . Tuuka was always protective of his crease - like standing at the lip with the stick up ("This is my space and if you come in here, Ima be swingin' my stick like this so it's not my fault if you get hit") as a block, but not actively really running out-of-the-crease interference . . .

But your point . . . Andersen never really did it. Campbell definitely doesn't. Mrazek is too busy fetching the puck out of the net to run interference . . .

lots of goalies make sure they get in a forecheckers lane, and make it look like they're just skating back to their crease. throwing a pick is illegal, its interference. But its not interference if you're just standing your ground and not moving into their lane. Its also legal if throwting a hit is legal (i.e. the opposing player has just gotten rid of the puck).
- prock

Not for goalies. Goalies aren't allowed to be hit, but they are also not allowed to deliver hits. Incidental contact, as you describe, is legal in that "collisions" happen if you happen to skate in the lane I was already in - and in those cases, if the ref determines that the goalie could have been avoided, it's a penalty on the skater.

I don’t want to argue with you since I think you are one of the best on here, but…
I can’t recall the last time a Leaf goalie did that
- mr.sir

It's becoming a pattern for Dell apparently - this was earlier this month.

As far as a leaf goalie throwing a hit - maybe Cujo on the ref by accident? lol

I don't mean throw a hit, so we're clear. What Dell did was WAY over the line. But you'll see goalies just get in the way. Step out of the crease, make a guy go around.
Bump a skater with their ass a little. Goalies who come to mind (looking at a list) are: Mike Smith, Holtby, Markstrom, Quick, Anderson, Lehner . . . you know, as I look through this list of goalies to remind myself who's who of goalies creating interference around the net, I have to admit, it's a diminishing number of goalies who do it, and look at the names I'm initially throwing out - they're all over 30. Martin Jones does it (32) . . . Binnington might be the youngest at 28 I can see on that list of guys who immediately jump out to me as goalies who run some interference around their crease. I think Carter Hutton maybe . . . Tuuka was always protective of his crease - like standing at the lip with the stick up ("This is my space and if you come in here, Ima be swingin' my stick like this so it's not my fault if you get hit") as a block, but not actively really running out-of-the-crease interference . . .

But your point . . . Andersen never really did it. Campbell definitely doesn't. Mrazek is too busy fetching the puck out of the net to run interference . . .
- Monkeypunk

how was it way over the line though? It was a pretty minor "hit", not much more than a bump. The puck was there, Dell had just handed it off, its maybe borderline interference, but in the end, its a minor bump with bad consequences.

Im on the fence on whether or not this is even a penalty. Maybe a 2 for interference. You cant just assume Dell is going to get out of the way.

- AdamFrench

good for you for lasting 5 minutes listening to a podcast about that

This season seems so long
Gimme 62 games
- TheMussel

Nah, then people complain the season is too short, leagues loses revenue.
Its cause of covid...so many weeks with only 2 games

Not for goalies. Goalies aren't allowed to be hit, but they are also not allowed to deliver hits. Incidental contact, as you describe, is legal in that "collisions" happen if you happen to skate in the lane I was already in - and in those cases, if the ref determines that the goalie could have been avoided, it's a penalty on the skater.
- Monkeypunk

are you sure? if so, that has not always been the case.

Keefe said he was going to start with the new lines
- Canada Cup

and then 5 mins in...back

I don't mean throw a hit, so we're clear. What Dell did was WAY over the line. But you'll see goalies just get in the way. Step out of the crease, make a guy go around.
Bump a skater with their ass a little. Goalies who come to mind (looking at a list) are: Mike Smith, Holtby, Markstrom, Quick, Anderson, Lehner . . . you know, as I look through this list of goalies to remind myself who's who of goalies creating interference around the net, I have to admit, it's a diminishing number of goalies who do it, and look at the names I'm initially throwing out - they're all over 30. Martin Jones does it (32) . . . Binnington might be the youngest at 28 I can see on that list of guys who immediately jump out to me as goalies who run some interference around their crease. I think Carter Hutton maybe . . . Tuuka was always protective of his crease - like standing at the lip with the stick up ("This is my space and if you come in here, Ima be swingin' my stick like this so it's not my fault if you get hit") as a block, but not actively really running out-of-the-crease interference . . .

But your point . . . Andersen never really did it. Campbell definitely doesn't. Mrazek is too busy fetching the puck out of the net to run interference . . .
- Monkeypunk

I do this in beer league (stand at the top of my crease not the stick up thing) to give my Dmen more time and space and I see nothing wrong with it. I'm too lazy to look up the actual rule around players in the "blue paint" but I seem to recall (or maybe I just want it to be this?) that unless the puck is in there they are not allowed to be.

Way too many guys who cut through the blue paint if they can (sometimes to pressure the D behind the net but sometimes to be knobs) for my liking and I always try to ensure the have to go around me if they are trying to which means going around the crease for the most part.

As a goalie it also sucks when some 300 pound forward cuts through the blue paint and turns sharply carving a deep groove in the ice that you then stumble over the rest of the game while trying not to break your ankle.

how was it way over the line though? It was a pretty minor "hit", not much more than a bump. The puck was there, Dell had just handed it off, its maybe borderline interference, but in the end, its a minor bump with bad consequences.

Im on the fence on whether or not this is even a penalty. Maybe a 2 for interference. You cant just assume Dell is going to get out of the way.
- prock

Watch this, it's short and to the point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSQyZYGFe3s

Belarus TV commentary very excited and aggressive about upcoming Olympic hockey tournament. Sorry my bad. They’re talking about imminent invasion of Ukraine and the west.

https://mobile.twitter.co.../1486300696681066503?s=12
- Canada Cup

Ukraine's defence is incredibly weak - they are going to get crushed by Russia's speed and size on offence.

But enough about the invasion - let's talk about Olympic hockey!

Yeah, exactly.

I think the problem ultimately is that baseball writers have decided that they should be the moral compass of the sport when the sport itself should be the moral compass of the sport. If MLB felt that Clemens, Bond, Schilling et al were not eligible due to their past actions, then MLB should have removed them from eligibility.

If they are eligible, then they should be vetted on their on-field merits, not on supposition of behaviour or by a varying moral code that is also strongly influenced by the moral persuasions during different periods of time.

The 1919 White Sox, for instance, who threw the World Series - had eight players (including Shoeless Joe Jackson who probably shouldn't be there) who were placed on baseball HoF ineligible list. No one can vote for them.

Everyone from the 2017 Astros is eligible. Will the writers association have the same high moral standards when Verlander and Altuve are up for HoF eligibility?
- Monkeypunk

Ty Cobb set a pretty high moral bar for entry to the HOF

lots of goalies make sure they get in a forecheckers lane, and make it look like they're just skating back to their crease. throwing a pick is illegal, its interference. But its not interference if you're just standing your ground and not moving into their lane. Its also legal if throwting a hit is legal (i.e. the opposing player has just gotten rid of the puck).
- prock

yeah, 'incidental contact' happens all the time

Watch this, it's short and to the point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSQyZYGFe3s
- Monkeypunk

ive seen it. a few times already. i dont see this as way over the line. its minor interference at most, that ended very badly.