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haha... Risto is horrible
- senstroll

So last year, in 2020-21, the Flyers had the WORST GA in the league, edging out Buffalo and San Jose. They actually had the 12th best xGA in the league - they were done in by horrific goaltending from Hart and Elliot.

The D was basically Provorov - Gostisbehere, Sanheim-Myers, Braun / Gustafsson / Hagg

So they went out and "fixed it" and they have:

Sanheim - Ristolainen, Provorov - Braun, Yandle - Seeler or Connauton - Yandle.

Now the Flyers are 23rd in GA and 30th in xGA.

So the worst part of this story is they've gotten worse and don't even know it yet.

So last year, in 2020-21, the Flyers had the WORST GA in the league, edging out Buffalo and San Jose. They actually had the 12th best xGA in the league - they were done in by horrific goaltending from Hart and Elliot.

The D was basically Provorov - Gostisbehere, Sanheim-Myers, Braun / Gustafsson / Hagg

So they went out and "fixed it" and they have:

Sanheim - Ristolainen, Provorov - Braun, Yandle - Seeler or Connauton - Yandle.

Now the Flyers are 23rd in GA and 30th in xGA.

So the worst part of this story is they've gotten worse and don't even know it yet.
- Monkeypunk

Glad we have a GM that can actually see stuff like that.

Freddie: .927 SV%, 2.06 GAA

Campbell: .926 SV%, 2.26 GAA

Garret Sparks: .936 SV%, 1.85 GAA

Discuss
- Atomic Wedgie

Sparks has played 2 games and faced 47 shots - do you really want to discuss him?

Campbell was a top three goalie in the NHL until he decided to do the Leafs a contract favour by playing mediocre for the past seven games. Andersen having a great year, I am fairly confident he will return to five-hole-sh!tthebedFred form come playoff time.

So last year, in 2020-21, the Flyers had the WORST GA in the league, edging out Buffalo and San Jose. They actually had the 12th best xGA in the league - they were done in by horrific goaltending from Hart and Elliot.

The D was basically Provorov - Gostisbehere, Sanheim-Myers, Braun / Gustafsson / Hagg

So they went out and "fixed it" and they have:

Sanheim - Ristolainen, Provorov - Braun, Yandle - Seeler or Connauton - Yandle.

Now the Flyers are 23rd in GA and 30th in xGA.

So the worst part of this story is they've gotten worse and don't even know it yet.
- Monkeypunk

remember the days when flyers fans were telling everyone they will have the best defense in the NHL because Provorov is an elite norris winning dman, gostistbehere is the bestest too, and myers, sanheim, Hagg, are all can't miss prospects?

I think I'm missing someone.

They spent a few years boasting they were going ot have the best defense in the NHL by far, because of their incredible prospects.

No masters no more
In the world we implore
The state of our age
Shall be thrown to the floor

If not for the colors
That glow 'neath the sun
No beauty for anyone

No detail or time
On the throw-away line
Now brawn is the victor
The loser the mind

If not for the ruins
Of what was once now
No beauty for anyone

So last year, in 2020-21, the Flyers had the WORST GA in the league, edging out Buffalo and San Jose. They actually had the 12th best xGA in the league - they were done in by horrific goaltending from Hart and Elliot.

The D was basically Provorov - Gostisbehere, Sanheim-Myers, Braun / Gustafsson / Hagg

So they went out and "fixed it" and they have:

Sanheim - Ristolainen, Provorov - Braun, Yandle - Seeler or Connauton - Yandle.

Now the Flyers are 23rd in GA and 30th in xGA.

So the worst part of this story is they've gotten worse and don't even know it yet.
- Monkeypunk

Gostisbehere was not the problem... It was the whole team that sucked defensively

remember the days when flyers fans were telling everyone they will have the best defense in the NHL because Provorov is an elite norris winning dman, gostistbehere is the bestest too, and myers, sanheim, Hagg, are all can't miss prospects?

I think I'm missing someone.

They spent a few years boasting they were going ot have the best defense in the NHL by far, because of their incredible prospects.
- prock

Morin and it was Meyers.

Leafs Nation clings to this bizarre idea that we have drafted well over the past few years. It's franking bizarre.

Dubas was hired by MLSEL in July 2014, so let's evaluate what has gone on from the 2015 draft onwards.

2015: You don't get credit for drafting Marner. Anyone in the top 10 would be a great pick (except Strome). Hell, it was one of the greatest drafts of all time, which makes it all the more stupid that we traded down. We could have had Konecny, or Beauvillier, but instead we moved to the 2nd round and got Dermott and Bracco. Dermott is a burrito filled with Meh, and I think Bracco filled my car with gas this morning (it was too cold to do self-serve). Nobody else in 2015 is worth mentioning, with only Timashov ever playing in the NHL.

2016: You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. 31st overall was Korshkov - a criminally stupid pick. Why the hell are you picking an overager so high? Everyone else selected sucked.

2017: Lilgegren. It was a weak draft, so this is neither a good nor bad pick. Nobody else has played a game in the NHL.

2018: Sandin was an OK pick. Everything else was crap. Only Durzi has played in the NHL.

2019: Nick Robertson. Leafs Nation over-rates him.

I won't do 2020 and 2021 because it is obviously too early, but can we please stop with this narrative that we draft well and have an amazaballz prospect pool?

We have three elite players from tanking, we signed some free agents (for which I give them credit), and Dubas has also done a fantastic job of filling holes on the cheap.

But our drafting and player development still sucks ass - like it has for 50 years.

Sparks has played 2 games and faced 47 shots - do you really want to discuss him?

- winsix

I was kidding, but I do think that Sparks has some potential left.

There's an untold story about Sparks in Toronto - he suffered a concussion as a result of Nylander ringing him in the head at a practice (after being told to keep his shots down). Sparks and his agent were pissed, and MLSE told them to go pound sand - they had to side with Nylander.

I hope he does well in LA.

Campbell was a top three goalie in the NHL until he decided to do the Leafs a contract favour by playing mediocre for the past seven games. Andersen having a great year, I am fairly confident he will return to five-hole-sh!tthebedFred form come playoff time.
- winsix

I'm much happier with Campbell.

Freddie would give up those momentum-killing goals. The team would sag.

The team seems to want to rally around Campbell, and protect him when he is pooping the bed.

It reminds me of the year when Stieb was pitching lights-out, and Jack Morris was pitching underhand, yet Morris had more wins than Stieb.

Sometimes it's the intangibles.

There’s a lot of different ways to live
As a gambler or a servant
Or as captain of a ship
I was down behind a dumpster
I could hear the radio playing
Everybody wants to live where they belong
By the river or the sea

And if these days
I’m more fisherman than fish
Still stuck on the line, I guess
Like an old yard dog pulling
On a chain circling out some muddy ground
Saying “Lord, this is all that there is
No, there ain’t nothing else.”

Fisherman or fish
It’s all the same I guess
When you want to fly

The barn is sinking
The tide is coming in
Ain’t no road sign
At the corner, kid
You just gotta know the way

Leafs Nation clings to this bizarre idea that we have drafted well over the past few years. It's franking bizarre.

Dubas was hired by MLSEL in July 2014, so let's evaluate what has gone on from the 2015 draft onwards.

2015: You don't get credit for drafting Marner. Anyone in the top 10 would be a great pick (except Strome). Hell, it was one of the greatest drafts of all time, which makes it all the more stupid that we traded down. We could have had Konecny, or Beauvillier, but instead we moved to the 2nd round and got Dermott and Bracco. Dermott is a burrito filled with Meh, and I think Bracco filled my car with gas this morning (it was too cold to do self-serve). Nobody else in 2015 is worth mentioning, with only Timashov ever playing in the NHL.

2016: You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. 31st overall was Korshkov - a criminally stupid pick. Why the hell are you picking an overager so high? Everyone else selected sucked.

2017: Lilgegren. It was a weak draft, so this is neither a good nor bad pick. Nobody else has played a game in the NHL.

2018: Sandin was an OK pick. Everything else was crap. Only Durzi has played in the NHL.

2019: Nick Robertson. Leafs Nation over-rates him.

I won't do 2020 and 2021 because it is obviously too early, but can we please stop with this narrative that we draft well and have an amazaballz prospect pool?

We have three elite players from tanking, we signed some free agents (for which I give them credit), and Dubas has also done a fantastic job of filling holes on the cheap.

But are drafting and player development still sucks ass - like it has for 50 years.
- Atomic Wedgie

Absolutely awful take. No credit? So basically any Leaf pick made anywhere near the top 5 doesn't count? So what you are saying is Sandin and Liljregen are the only 1st round picks that count because reasons. If you are completely eliminating a 1st round pick then how is this fair when evaluating drafted talent? Takes away any relevance from this opinion of yours.

And stop the narrative? Every ranking has them middle of the pack. AGAIN you can't just completely ignore facts like you did above with ignoring the Matthews and Marner picks because "reasons"

Quite simple. The Leafs have most of its major core pieces. And they now have a middle of the pack prospect pool to fill in the pieces or make trades to fill in the small holes they have.

Bad Wedgie take.

remember the days when flyers fans were telling everyone they will have the best defense in the NHL because Provorov is an elite norris winning dman, gostistbehere is the bestest too, and myers, sanheim, Hagg, are all can't miss prospects?

I think I'm missing someone.

They spent a few years boasting they were going ot have the best defense in the NHL by far, because of their incredible prospects.
- prock

So keep in mind this is coming from a Leafs fan, so for any Flyers fans reading this, yes, the Leafs are also fair game for heaps of criticism.

But here goes:

There's something about Flyers teams and quitting.

I remember it most vividly with Cechmanek. He was furious because the team had quit on the coach, and were going through the motions - in the franking playoffs. He screamed at them on the bench during the game, and the team retaliated by firing pucks at his head all next practice.

Then they ran Cechmanek out of town. Look at his numbers - he was not the problem.

It just seems like if the Flyers aren't in the thick of the playoff race, there's no effort.

It's like Club Blue and White, but further south.

I would have. Gibson is an elite goalie.
- prock

Nah. No way I would trade Eichel straight up for Gibson.

Absolutely awful take. No credit? So basically any Leaf pick made anywhere near the top 5 doesn't count? So what you are saying is Sandin and Liljregen are the only 1st round picks that count because reasons. If you are completely eliminating a 1st round pick then how is this fair when evaluating drafted talent? Takes away any relevance from this opinion of yours.

And stop the narrative? Every ranking has them middle of the pack. AGAIN you can't just completely ignore facts like you did above with ignoring the Matthews and Marner picks because "reasons"

Quite simple. The Leafs have most of its major core pieces. And they now have a middle of the pack prospect pool to fill in the pieces or make trades to fill in the small holes they have.

Bad Wedgie take.
- Santo_44

There was only one guy on earth who thought that the Leafs should consider drafting Laine instead of Matthews, and that guy was Spatso.

Coyotes looking to move into arena at Arizona State University for the next 3-4 years. Tempe deal fall through?

Edit: pending construction of Tempe arena

Leafs Nation clings to this bizarre idea that we have drafted well over the past few years. It's franking bizarre.

Dubas was hired by MLSEL in July 2014, so let's evaluate what has gone on from the 2015 draft onwards.

2015: You don't get credit for drafting Marner. Anyone in the top 10 would be a great pick (except Strome). Hell, it was one of the greatest drafts of all time, which makes it all the more stupid that we traded down. We could have had Konecny, or Beauvillier, but instead we moved to the 2nd round and got Dermott and Bracco. Dermott is a burrito filled with Meh, and I think Bracco filled my car with gas this morning (it was too cold to do self-serve). Nobody else in 2015 is worth mentioning, with only Timashov ever playing in the NHL.

2016: You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. 31st overall was Korshkov - a criminally stupid pick. Why the hell are you picking an overager so high? Everyone else selected sucked.

2017: Lilgegren. It was a weak draft, so this is neither a good nor bad pick. Nobody else has played a game in the NHL.

2018: Sandin was an OK pick. Everything else was crap. Only Durzi has played in the NHL.

2019: Nick Robertson. Leafs Nation over-rates him.

I won't do 2020 and 2021 because it is obviously too early, but can we please stop with this narrative that we draft well and have an amazaballz prospect pool?

We have three elite players from tanking, we signed some free agents (for which I give them credit), and Dubas has also done a fantastic job of filling holes on the cheap.

But are drafting and player development still sucks ass - like it has for 50 years.
- Atomic Wedgie

i mean, this post follows about 6 or 7 posts from other people all in agreement that the LEafs prospect pool is pretty average, not amazeballs at all. So i'm not really sure who you're referring to.

There was only one guy on earth who thought that the Leafs should consider drafting Laine instead of Matthews, and that guy was Spatso.
- Atomic Wedgie

spatso did NOT think the Leafs should draft Laine instead of Matthews...he just asked the question.

spatso did NOT think the Leafs should draft Laine instead of Matthews...he just asked the question.
- AdamFrench

Every day Laine scored

Every day Laine scored
- AdamFrench

Ever since the Leafs picked Matthews.

I was kidding, but I do think that Sparks has some potential left.

There's an untold story about Sparks in Toronto - he suffered a concussion as a result of Nylander ringing him in the head at a practice (after being told to keep his shots down). Sparks and his agent were pissed, and MLSE told them to go pound sand - they had to side with Nylander.

I hope he does well in LA.


I'm much happier with Campbell.

Freddie would give up those momentum-killing goals. The team would sag.

The team seems to want to rally around Campbell, and protect him when he is pooping the bed.

It reminds me of the year when Stieb was pitching lights-out, and Jack Morris was pitching underhand, yet Morris had more wins than Stieb.

Sometimes it's the intangibles.
- Atomic Wedgie

Good analogy - As Cush pointed out, hard for a goalie to really get into it, when he faces as few shots as the Leafs have been giving up. I have more confidence with Campbell in net than I had with Freddy there. Without looking it up, I'd think that Freddy was lousy in shootout situations. Campbell was good in the shootout yesterday.

spatso did NOT think the Leafs should draft Laine instead of Matthews...he just asked the question.
- AdamFrench

Spatso has been Tucker Carlson this whole time?

Explains everything.

Ever since the Leafs picked Matthews.
- AdamFrench

And has now dismissed this and moved on to another episode of Marvel's "What if...?"

And has now dismissed this and moved on to another episode of Marvel's "What if...?"
- AdamFrench

Oddly enough, we don't see him much around these parts anymore.

I miss him.

Absolutely awful take. No credit? So basically any Leaf pick made anywhere near the top 5 doesn't count? So what you are saying is Sandin and Liljregen are the only 1st round picks that count because reasons. If you are completely eliminating a 1st round pick then how is this fair when evaluating drafted talent? Takes away any relevance from this opinion of yours.

And stop the narrative? Every ranking has them middle of the pack. AGAIN you can't just completely ignore facts like you did above with ignoring the Matthews and Marner picks because "reasons"

Quite simple. The Leafs have most of its major core pieces. And they now have a middle of the pack prospect pool to fill in the pieces or make trades to fill in the small holes they have.

Bad Wedgie take.
- Santo_44

i mean, they won the draft lottery and took the number 1 player out there. It's not really skilled drafting.

But there are all kinds of misses at pick 4, so getting Marner there is pretty damn good imo.

Leafs Nation clings to this bizarre idea that we have drafted well over the past few years. It's franking bizarre.

Dubas was hired by MLSEL in July 2014, so let's evaluate what has gone on from the 2015 draft onwards.

2015: You don't get credit for drafting Marner. Anyone in the top 10 would be a great pick (except Strome). Hell, it was one of the greatest drafts of all time, which makes it all the more stupid that we traded down. We could have had Konecny, or Beauvillier, but instead we moved to the 2nd round and got Dermott and Bracco. Dermott is a burrito filled with Meh, and I think Bracco filled my car with gas this morning (it was too cold to do self-serve). Nobody else in 2015 is worth mentioning, with only Timashov ever playing in the NHL.

2016: You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. 31st overall was Korshkov - a criminally stupid pick. Why the hell are you picking an overager so high? Everyone else selected sucked.

2017: Lilgegren. It was a weak draft, so this is neither a good nor bad pick. Nobody else has played a game in the NHL.

2018: Sandin was an OK pick. Everything else was crap. Only Durzi has played in the NHL.

2019: Nick Robertson. Leafs Nation over-rates him.

I won't do 2020 and 2021 because it is obviously too early, but can we please stop with this narrative that we draft well and have an amazaballz prospect pool?

We have three elite players from tanking, we signed some free agents (for which I give them credit), and Dubas has also done a fantastic job of filling holes on the cheap.

But are drafting and player development still sucks ass - like it has for 50 years.
- Atomic Wedgie

I dont care about 2015-2017..that was a different GM and Hunter? and different decisions.. anyways

2018 on, we dont have enough runway to really say.
The problem is only looking at the Leafs and trying to analyze it. You have to stack up against the entire League.

as for Robertson, you kinda did the same thing with Kapanen, I specifically remember you calling him a nothing prospect, over rated by fans.