who is the Leafs top prospect right now?
- senstroll

Niemela

Nylander, he had his number for most of the night
- dmnted

Holl was really bad, I was running for the antacid every time he touched the puck.

The athletics trade prop for Klinberg from the Leafs

Toronto Maple Leafs
Potential trade package: RHD Justin Holl, LW Nick Robertson, C Roni Hirvonen.

Id pass on the deal ..for a UFA rental
- senstroll

I would too.

Niemela
- mr.sir

ok 1 vote for Topi

Ill post mine after a few others chime in, so chime in!

Holl was really bad, I was running for the antacid every time he touched the puck.
- winsix

Liljegren had 3 brain cramps, concussed himself and got a penalty in less than half a period. Dermott also had a couple issues.
Holl was ok last night

ok 1 vote for Topi

Ill post mine after a few others chime in, so chime in!
- senstroll

Topi

Holl was really bad, I was running for the antacid every time he touched the puck.
- winsix

Dermott was actually worse last night

who is the Leafs top prospect right now?
- senstroll

I am not giving up on Robertson, but probably Niemela.

Liljegren had 3 brain cramps, concussed himself and got a penalty in less than half a period. Dermott also had a couple issues.
Holl was ok last night
- mr.sir

The penalty call on Liljegren was bad, he made a couple of bonehead plays, Dermott was weak sauce, Holl was a give away machine, Campbell did not play well, 2nd goal was bad (both timing and quality of goal), the behind the net giveaway was bad.

The penalty call on Liljegran was bad, he made a couple of bonehead plays, Dermott was weak sauce, Holl was a give away machine, Campbell did not play well, 2nd goal was bad (both timing and quality of goal), the behind the net giveaway was bad.
- winsix

Really, I thought the Leafs had a really strong game, except Liljegren, Dermott and Engvall

Also, Marner, JT and Kerfoot played great

I am not giving up on Robertson, but probably Niemela.
- Aetherial

3 votes for Topi N, interesting.

at this point I dont see how its not Robertson. he played 10 NHL games.
Injuries have messed his progression up. Also worth noting he is only 6 months older than TN. I thik he has the best shot a making an NHL impact as it stands right now

I asked because this was released today (scott wheeler)..and he ranks
Robertson
Knies
Neimela

https://theathletic.com/3...source=emp_shared_article

3 votes for Topi N, interesting.

at this point I dont see how its not Robertson. he played 10 NHL games.
Injuries have messed his progression up. Also worth noting he is only 6 months older than TN. I thik he has the best shot a making an NHL impact as it stands right now

I asked because this as released today (scott wheeler)..and he ranks
Robertson
Knies
Neimela

https://theathletic.com/3...source=emp_shared_article
- senstroll

It’s got to be Nick. He’s closest to being able to make an impact

3 votes for Topi N, interesting.

at this point I dont see how its not Robertson. he played 10 NHL games.
Injuries have messed his progression up. Also worth noting he is only 6 months older than TN. I thik he has the best shot a making an NHL impact as it stands right now

I asked because this as released today (scott wheeler)..and he ranks
Robertson
Knies
Neimela

https://theathletic.com/3...source=emp_shared_article
- senstroll

Hopefully Dallas overpays for Robertson

Hakanpaa could be a target

Gurianov is the holy grail

Really, I thought the Leafs had a really strong game, except Liljegren, Dermott and Engvall

Also, Marner played great
- mr.sir

Agreed and JT had a great game, Campbell was m'eh during the game with some bad puck luck but I didn't have that usual feeling of confidence he would stop all the ones he should and then some he shouldn't (unlike Gibson who stopped what 4 or 5 he had no business stopping?). I think it was a tough one for Campbell to get into a groove as he didn't see alot of shots and they were fairly spread out across the game. He was very good in the shootout and the casual "m'eh you are not worth my time" after the shootout winner & the duck player 'broke the code' and shot the rebound in was hilarious.

I was thinking if this was 2 years ago and the ginger that we shall not name was in net and gave up 3 goals on 19 shots to let a team come back from 3-1 the conversations here would have been a tad spicy!

Dermott looked terrible, again. I'd move him if you can upgrade, he may be able to turn it around but I think he needs a new place to do that the pressure in Toronto is just too much for him as a Toronto area kid.

Kase coming back made a difference to me also, I'm really loving Bunting and his game - he seems to be a Hyman (maybe a bit Hyman Lite from a scoring perspective but I think they are fairly close this year in points) but with more edge or more sandpaper. He seems to really get under the skin of the opposition way more than Hyman ever did. The Leafs need that.

I hope Lillybust is ok and doesn't have a conky but didn't look good when he tripped that guy with his face - such a dirty play by him...... definitely a penalty

Hopefully Dallas overpays for Robertson

Hakanpaa could be a target

Gurianov is the holy grail
- mr.sir

roope

roope
- senstroll

Buy low, sell high 🤔

Gurianov struggling this year👍

Hakanpaa 6’5” RHD @ 1.5m x 3 years
Gurianov, Dellandrea

Really, I thought the Leafs had a really strong game, except Liljegren, Dermott and Engvall

Also, Marner, JT and Kerfoot played great
- mr.sir

Nylander and Matthews were dangerous all night, the own goal by Engvall was one of the worst Leaf plays this year. You have the puck in front of your own net, fire it up the boards either side, not up the (frank)en middle. Bonehead play.

Nylander and Matthews were dangerous all night, the own goal by Engvall was one of the worst Leaf plays this year. You have the puck in front of your own net, fire it up the boards either side, not up the (frank)en middle. Bonehead play.
- winsix

Stupid Giraffe but he's been good Giraffe way more often than stupid Giraffe this year but agreed that was a bonehead play.

Buy low, sell high 🤔

Gurianov struggling this year👍

Hakanpaa 6’5” RHD @ 1.5m x 3 years
Gurianov, Dellandrea
- mr.sir

Johnny Hackentrash is bad. I'd prefer Benjamin Hutton if we're going low risk and low reward.

Mayfield and Dal Colle
Hakanpaa and Dellandrea
Lyubushkin and Dzingel
Ristolainen and Rubtsov
Jarnkrok and Borgen



Holl/Dermott and Robertson

Agreed and JT had a great game, Campbell was m'eh during the game with some bad puck luck but I didn't have that usual feeling of confidence he would stop all the ones he should and then some he shouldn't (unlike Gibson who stopped what 4 or 5 he had no business stopping?). I think it was a tough one for Campbell to get into a groove as he didn't see alot of shots and they were fairly spread out across the game. He was very good in the shootout and the casual "m'eh you are not worth my time" after the shootout winner & the duck player 'broke the code' and shot the rebound in was hilarious.

I was thinking if this was 2 years ago and the ginger that we shall not name was in net and gave up 3 goals on 19 shots to let a team come back from 3-1 the conversations here would have been a tad spicy!

Dermott looked terrible, again. I'd move him if you can upgrade, he may be able to turn it around but I think he needs a new place to do that the pressure in Toronto is just too much for him as a Toronto area kid.

Kase coming back made a difference to me also, I'm really loving Bunting and his game - he seems to be a Hyman (maybe a bit Hyman Lite from a scoring perspective but I think they are fairly close this year in points) but with more edge or more sandpaper. He seems to really get under the skin of the opposition way more than Hyman ever did. The Leafs need that.

I hope Lillybust is ok and doesn't have a conky but didn't look good when he tripped that guy with his face - such a dirty play by him...... definitely a penalty
- Cush29

I'm going to defend all of us on here with regards to the Andersen criticism. All goalies will get called out from time-to-time, and all goalies will unfairly get called out for losses or whatever when "just one stop" would have changed the game's outcome. Sometimes that one stop isn't possible, but that doesn't change the emotional response.

This group - and you can look through Mike's archives - was largely supportive of Andersen in 2017 and 2018 while he was at his best. When he laid an egg, we called it what it was, but no one was really blaming him or piling on. You'd get comments about how often Freddie bailed us out, and how infrequently the offense bailed him out when he crapped the bed - so I think we were, overall, a fair bunch of him in those couple of years.

In 2019, we had established a level of play that we had come to expect from him as a top-10 goalie and he wasn't delivering it. Like any human reaction . . at first you're hesitant to point it out or make an issue out of it, but as it becomes more and more evident, your frustration is heightening. And that frustration gets voiced in overblown hyperbolic terms . . .

I think in October 2019 you'd find a lot of dismissive, "Well, it's October Freddie - he'll be fine" (and he was great in November by the way, but he was very poor in December, January and February). I would bet you - and I haven't gone back and looked in 2019 threads or anything - that the more vocal criticism of Freddie didn't start until around mid-to-late December when it became evident that he wasn't the same as he had been in 2016, 2017 and 2018. That criticism would have started there and carried on a daily basis until the end of last year - so it felt constant, but we were largely supportive of him for his first three and a half years.

BTW, I was on a zoom call yesterday with a bunch of friends and we were watching the game - everyone was just stunned that Liljegren got a penalty for tripping a guy with his face. Maybe - maybe - the worst call I've ever seen - because the ref clearly saw the play and still made that decision.

Nylander and Matthews were dangerous all night, the own goal by Engvall was one of the worst Leaf plays this year. You have the puck in front of your own net, fire it up the boards either side, not up the (frank)en middle. Bonehead play.
- winsix

I'd have to look again, but I thought he was trying to ice it off the boards (so his angle was over to the blue line boards), and it was a panic play. If he doesn't rush the puck a Duck probably jams it in. It was unfortunate. I'm not giving him too much grief over it.

3 votes for Topi N, interesting.

at this point I dont see how its not Robertson. he played 10 NHL games.
Injuries have messed his progression up. Also worth noting he is only 6 months older than TN. I thik he has the best shot a making an NHL impact as it stands right now

I asked because this was released today (scott wheeler)..and he ranks
Robertson
Knies
Neimela

https://theathletic.com/3...source=emp_shared_article
- senstroll

It's actually a tough question (I'm assuming Sandin is considered graduated? I still think he will develop more and be a solid top-4 guy). The guy I'm most excited about for us as a team is Knies. We don't have a guy like him at all and he could be a great addition to a finesse lineup if he keeps developing successfully as a power forward. Robertson feels a bit like a one-trick pony: He's not a great skater and he's dogged in his puck pursuit, but his retrieval is limited because of his size. But he has a great shot. I wish he had more DeBrincat to his (duh, I know) movement.

Neimela - for all the hype - is a guy I know the least about. I've seen his accolades, and watched the WJC (and didn't even notice him despite wanting to), but it seems like he just compliments the type of D we already have. If he were larger or more physical and could skate the way he does I'd be more enthusiastic.

At the end of the day, I think the thing is that have a lot of complimentary skill in the system, but we don't have any top-end take charge talent. Maybe Amirov has it, but so far he's not showing it like some expected him to.

Agreed and JT had a great game, Campbell was m'eh during the game with some bad puck luck but I didn't have that usual feeling of confidence he would stop all the ones he should and then some he shouldn't (unlike Gibson who stopped what 4 or 5 he had no business stopping?). I think it was a tough one for Campbell to get into a groove as he didn't see alot of shots and they were fairly spread out across the game. He was very good in the shootout and the casual "m'eh you are not worth my time" after the shootout winner & the duck player 'broke the code' and shot the rebound in was hilarious.

I was thinking if this was 2 years ago and the ginger that we shall not name was in net and gave up 3 goals on 19 shots to let a team come back from 3-1 the conversations here would have been a tad spicy!

Dermott looked terrible, again. I'd move him if you can upgrade, he may be able to turn it around but I think he needs a new place to do that the pressure in Toronto is just too much for him as a Toronto area kid.

Kase coming back made a difference to me also, I'm really loving Bunting and his game - he seems to be a Hyman (maybe a bit Hyman Lite from a scoring perspective but I think they are fairly close this year in points) but with more edge or more sandpaper. He seems to really get under the skin of the opposition way more than Hyman ever did. The Leafs need that.

I hope Lillybust is ok and doesn't have a conky but didn't look good when he tripped that guy with his face - such a dirty play by him...... definitely a penalty
- Cush29

The Ducks reportedly offered Gibson straight up for Eichel. Age offset by injury & contract savings.

But the Sabres with their great goaltending said no. Thank goodness.

I'm going to defend all of us on here with regards to the Andersen criticism. All goalies will get called out from time-to-time, and all goalies will unfairly get called out for losses or whatever when "just one stop" would have changed the game's outcome. Sometimes that one stop isn't possible, but that doesn't change the emotional response.

This group - and you can look through Mike's archives - was largely supportive of Andersen in 2017 and 2018 while he was at his best. When he laid an egg, we called it what it was, but no one was really blaming him or piling on. You'd get comments about how often Freddie bailed us out, and how infrequently the offense bailed him out when he crapped the bed - so I think we were, overall, a fair bunch of him in those couple of years.

In 2019, we had established a level of play that we had come to expect from him as a top-10 goalie and he wasn't delivering it. Like any human reaction . . at first you're hesitant to point it out or make an issue out of it, but as it becomes more and more evident, your frustration is heightening. And that frustration gets voiced in overblown hyperbolic terms . . .

I think in October 2019 you'd find a lot of dismissive, "Well, it's October Freddie - he'll be fine" (and he was great in November by the way, but he was very poor in December, January and February). I would bet you - and I haven't gone back and looked in 2019 threads or anything - that the more vocal criticism of Freddie didn't start until around mid-to-late December when it became evident that he wasn't the same as he had been in 2016, 2017 and 2018. That criticism would have started there and carried on a daily basis until the end of last year - so it felt constant, but we were largely supportive of him for his first three and a half years.

BTW, I was on a zoom call yesterday with a bunch of friends and we were watching the game - everyone was just stunned that Liljegren got a penalty for tripping a guy with his face. Maybe - maybe - the worst call I've ever seen - because the ref clearly saw the play and still made that decision.
- Monkeypunk

I'm not saying or arguing that Freddy post 2018 was anything like 2016-2018 Freddy I just got a chuckle out of the fact the goals against were 3 on 19 shots give or take and it wasn't mentioned at all remembering how important those types of things seemed to be pre Campbell is all.

Don't get me wrong I'm a Campbell fan (hell I am going to buy a signed picture for my bar wall) but I'm a bit worried right now.

Campbell has not been the same guy we have all known and fallen in love with in his last 5 starts. He's given up 5 goals in 3 of those games and has a save % below 900 in 4 of 5 of those games. The save % numbers are the most concerning for me.

I think he is tired and perhaps the weird schedule with cancellations etc. is making it hard to get into a groove or routine but I hope he bounces back to the all star level performance we know he's capable of. He's played a lot of games already this year, (30 in fact) and his career high is 31 with LA back in 18/19 so I really hope they can get him the rest he needs over the next while because the Leafs need all star Soupy for the playoffs - same as they needed all star level Freddy.

They really need Mrazek to stay healthy and share the load with this stupid compressed schedule they have coming up.