I dunno anyone on here who's negative about winning. Maybe RW fits that bill lol
- j.boyd919

No one hates to win, but understanding that a win streak might be covering up some bad habits and calling it out tends to irk some people on here. And on the flip side, losing games while acknowledging they did the right things irks people. But that doesn't mean people like losing and hate winning. No one is that disturbed.

No one hates to win, but understanding that a win streak might be covering up some bad habits and calling it out tends to irk some people on here. And on the flip side, losing games while acknowledging they did the right things irks people. But that doesn't mean people like losing and hate winning. No one is that disturbed.
- burgh4life87

#TrustTheProcess

#TrustTheProcess
- Feds91Stammer

#female dogforgetit

Good value on the Carter extension. 2 years, 3.125 mill AAV.

Good value on the Carter extension. 2 years, 3.125 mill AAV.
- burgh4life87

Beautiful. I'm hoping the ERod deal is similar or less. If they can do a 2 year deal under $3M that would be great.

Good value on the Carter extension. 2 years, 3.125 mill AAV.
- burgh4life87

Huge risk imo.

Good value on the Carter extension. 2 years, 3.125 mill AAV.
- burgh4life87

I don’t have a strong opinion either way. Fair for what he’s giving us right now. He’s super old so could fall off a cliff but two years isn’t that big of an ask. We don’t have any internal 3C candidates besides Bleuger who Sullivan seems to not even consider a top 9 forward so in practice we have no one. I think it makes sense but I wouldn’t call it value. I’d call it fair.

I don’t have a strong opinion either way. Fair for what he’s giving us right now. He’s super old so could fall off a cliff but two years isn’t that big of an ask. We don’t have any internal 3C candidates besides Bleuger who Sullivan seems to not even consider a top 9 forward so in practice we have no one. I think it makes sense but I wouldn’t call it value. I’d call it fair.
- Victoro311

If it wasn’t for the 35+ contract rules it would be very good.

I don’t have a strong opinion either way. Fair for what he’s giving us right now. He’s super old so could fall off a cliff but two years isn’t that big of an ask. We don’t have any internal 3C candidates besides Bleuger who Sullivan seems to not even consider a top 9 forward so in practice we have no one. I think it makes sense but I wouldn’t call it value. I’d call it fair.
- Victoro311

ERod could have also been an option for 3C if they didn't keep Carter.

Still wish they kept Freddy even though Boyle is working out nicely.

Huge risk imo.
- Feds91Stammer

It's a risk at his age, but I wouldn't call it a HUGE risk.

It's a risk at his age, but I wouldn't call it a HUGE risk.
- Rinosaur

Unless he has an Eric Staal 19/20 to 20/21 type decline.

If it wasn’t for the 35+ contract rules it would be very good.
- Feds91Stammer

Didn’t they change it so that if the deal is structured normally and the not frontloaded in an obvious attempt at cap circumvention then the player can retire without the team being on the hook? If so I don’t see how that’s a problem unless Hextal frontloaded the first year, which I doubt.

ERod could have also been an option for 3C if they didn't keep Carter.

Still wish they kept Freddy even though Boyle is working out nicely.
- Rinosaur

Freddy hasn’t really been poop in Minnesota. I don’t think he’d be that big of an upgrade over what we’re getting from Boyle right now if at all. Don’t think we need a 13th forward/5C on a multi-year contract. Picking up the best guy available for the vet minimum does just fine. The $700k or so in cap savings from Boyle to Gaudreau could mean something at the deadline.

With players like Rust, Letang, Geno and Erod as UFAs, I don’t think I would have done this deal until I had clarity on those other players. I personally would prioritize all those players over Carter. Maybe they already know one or two of those guys won’t return.

Huge risk imo.
- Feds91Stammer

The NMC is risky at his age, but his contract isn't front loaded so it doesn't apply to the 35+. Given that he can easily transition to the wing and focus more on scoring and less defensively I think it's a pretty decent 2 year deal.

Didn’t they change it so that if the deal is structured normally and the not frontloaded in an obvious attempt at cap circumvention then the player can retire without the team being on the hook? If so I don’t see how that’s a problem unless Hextal frontloaded the first year, which I doubt.
- Victoro311

Did they change it? I thought all 35+ contracts just meant you’re essentially stuck with the cap hit unless it’s an LTIR thing.

The NMC is risky at his age, but his contract isn't front loaded so it doesn't apply to the 35+. Given that he can easily transition to the wing and focus more on scoring and less defensively I think it's a pretty decent 2 year deal.
- burgh4life87

I see that it’s a 35+ contract but I guess the other restricting criteria are not met but I guess the NMC makes up for that.

Did they change it? I thought all 35+ contracts just meant you’re essentially stuck with the cap hit unless it’s an LTIR thing.
- Feds91Stammer

No they chained it last year so that guys like Hossa who signed maybe not the best contract can just retire quietly rather than creating a huge circus.

EDIT: I guess Hossa did sign one of the pre-35+ rule $1 mil a year back years contracts so that’s not a good example, but that’s the general idea.

With players like Rust, Letang, Geno and Erod as UFAs, I don’t think I would have done this deal until I had clarity on those other players. I personally would prioritize all those players over Carter. Maybe they already know one or two of those guys won’t return.
- madmike71

If the combo of Letang, Rust, and Geno come in under 20 mill we can make things work. I'm not going to worry about it now though.

With players like Rust, Letang, Geno and Erod as UFAs, I don’t think I would have done this deal until I had clarity on those other players. I personally would prioritize all those players over Carter. Maybe they already know one or two of those guys won’t return.
- madmike71

I’d imagine hextall has a pretty decent general idea of what each player wants. My guess malkin takes a pay cut and that basically balances out Letang, Carter, and maybe someone like Heinen/Erod.

Hopefully they can bring rust back somehow. Probably at the sacrifice of Kap. Although that’s a decent amount of points to replace by someone for lg minimum or elc.

I see that it’s a 35+ contract but I guess the other restricting criteria are not met but I guess the NMC makes up for that.
- Feds91Stammer

The rule states that:

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded
Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout.

Carter has no bonuses or front loaded. 3.25 first year, 3 mill year two. NMC stops us from sending him down or traded, but allows him to retire after year 1 without a cap penalty to Pittsburgh.

No they chained it last year so that guys like Hossa who signed maybe not the best contract can just retire quietly rather than creating a huge circus.

EDIT: I guess Hossa did sign one of the pre-35+ rule $1 mil a year back years contracts so that’s not a good example, but that’s the general idea.
- Victoro311

Gotcha. Didn’t realize that as Hollands cap hell is no longer.

When they resign Letang he better get a nmc. I’m sure that will be one of his main priorities after dealing with jimmy.

The rule states that:

Carter has no bonuses or front loaded. 3.25 first year, 3 mill year two. NMC stops us from sending him down or traded, but allows him to retire after year 1 without a cap penalty to Pittsburgh.
- burgh4life87

Yeah I didn’t realize their where other criterias. Makes Holland look even worse now. That Datsyuk contract (frank)ed them and ended up with Cholo instead of Chychrun.

Yeah I didn’t realize their where other criterias. Makes Holland look even worse now. That Datsyuk contract (frank)ed them and ended up with Cholo instead of Chychrun.
- Feds91Stammer

Chychrun is a bum anyways