Agree on getting a dman. It will really depend on the cost, Leafs are thin in draft picks.

I am curious how Habs deal with Carey Price. Can't see him wanting to be part of a 5 year rebuild. Honestly, the Habs are going to suck for some time, even 50% retained to move him to Edmonton or Colorado would help the Habs. Probably off season move, but hard to see him sticking around.
- winsix

I'd imagine the Leafs will be getting draft picks before the draft with Engvall, Kase being RFA's and Mrazek possibly getting moved.

Plus I think we see a pick or two coming our way pretty soon from a Dermott trade.

I think you are thinking too much of the TDL.

Engvall, Kase, Mrazek...2 out of the 3 likely are traded this offseason for picks.

Also throw in Dermott, likely fetches a mid round pick. Maybe even a few.
- Santo_44

The conversation was about Chiarot as a TDL acquisition and the cost of that acquisition. The Leafs could move any of the aforementioned to recoup some picks, but none of them are going to get you into the 1st round. Kase likely gets qualified, doesn't accept, and then we move him because we can't afford him - he might get a 2nd. Engvall has more value to us since he would likely accept his QO at $1.2m and I really like his game. It's been very good of late, but let's see if he can maintain some consistency for the first time in his career.

Mrazek is a cap move, especially if he doesn't get any better. He has little value in a trade at the moment. Teams might be interested, but no one is going to pay much.

I agree about Dermott - he's, unfortunately, a diminishing asset. I figure we'd be lucky to get a 4th for him.

So my point remains - we need to have some actual draft capital in the form of higher picks. If they don't pan out or don't fall into a good place in our depth chart, then we have someone who retains some value on the trade market.

If Arizona trades Chychrun, I can only assume the Leafs won't be in on it. I don't see Dubas moving the pieces Arizona would want.
- PatC80

Agree, would be a good addition, price will be too high. If they accepted some Canadian Tire money under the table, it could work.

That's my point. We need a bruiser to take some of the load from Muzz. Plus he's got to be defensively aware at the same time.

Probably a package to get it, I'm sure
- Leafsmart

I’ll be happy with a defensively sound addition

You probably need to factor in the cost of getting someone to retain salary if they’re looking for serious dude to play on the second pair. Either way, I’m pretty sure it’ll have to be a rental.
- Canada Cup

Honestly, I think a rental is the easy way to go. If we are interested in trying to retain any of the guys expiring in the off-season, it's hard to acquire term (Santo made the same point, and you're both right). You don't know what next year looks like. That projected $1m maybe gone with the latest outbreak of Omicron.

I also don't see anyone who has term and a reasonable salary that we could fit in. We're so tight to the cap in so many ways that we can't really afford uncertainty in 2022-23.

The conversation was about Chiarot as a TDL acquisition and the cost of that acquisition. The Leafs could move any of the aforementioned to recoup some picks, but none of them are going to get you into the 1st round. Kase likely gets qualified, doesn't accept, and then we move him because we can't afford him - he might get a 2nd. Engvall has more value to us since he would likely accept his QO at $1.2m and I really like his game. It's been very good of late, but let's see if he can maintain some consistency for the first time in his career.

Mrazek is a cap move, especially if he doesn't get any better. He has little value in a trade at the moment. Teams might be interested, but no one is going to pay much.

I agree about Dermott - he's, unfortunately, a diminishing asset. I figure we'd be lucky to get a 4th for him.



So my point remains - we need to have some actual draft capital in the form of higher picks. If they don't pan out or don't fall into a good place in our depth chart, then we have someone who retains some value on the trade market.
- Monkeypunk

We have Amriov, amirite?

I recall some were saying his NHL player comparison is Max Pacioretty

The conversation was about Chiarot as a TDL acquisition and the cost of that acquisition. The Leafs could move any of the aforementioned to recoup some picks, but none of them are going to get you into the 1st round. Kase likely gets qualified, doesn't accept, and then we move him because we can't afford him - he might get a 2nd. Engvall has more value to us since he would likely accept his QO at $1.2m and I really like his game. It's been very good of late, but let's see if he can maintain some consistency for the first time in his career.

Mrazek is a cap move, especially if he doesn't get any better. He has little value in a trade at the moment. Teams might be interested, but no one is going to pay much.

I agree about Dermott - he's, unfortunately, a diminishing asset. I figure we'd be lucky to get a 4th for him.

So my point remains - we need to have some actual draft capital in the form of higher picks. If they don't pan out or don't fall into a good place in our depth chart, then we have someone who retains some value on the trade market.
- Monkeypunk

Quite frankly I don't care. I like the top 5 Leafs prospects, the system as a whole is not too shabby considering they have been a top team in the regular season the past 5 years.

If the Hutton's get a 4th round pick at the TDL then the Dermott get a 3rd at least...maybe even another late pick. We'll see but I think most Leaf fans are underrating a Dermott return.

I am confident in Mrazek, a good goalie who likely gets a lot of games down the stretch. I am not worried.

This team needs to win multiple rounds now, the prospect system is perfectly fine for a good team with all of its major holes filled.

Friedman said Leafs targeting Giroux? Or made an offer for him or something?

Friedman said Leafs targeting Giroux? Or made an offer for him or something?
- GreatGigInTheSky

how?

Honestly, I think a rental is the easy way to go. If we are interested in trying to retain any of the guys expiring in the off-season, it's hard to acquire term (Santo made the same point, and you're both right). You don't know what next year looks like. That projected $1m maybe gone with the latest outbreak of Omicron.

I also don't see anyone who has term and a reasonable salary that we could fit in. We're so tight to the cap in so many ways that we can't really afford uncertainty in 2022-23.
- Monkeypunk

Muzzin’s play in the next month is a huge factor, IMO. If he returns to something like last year’s form, then anything that improves on Holl is an option. If he doesn’t, they’ll have to go bigger and get someone that actually helps Muzzin or whoever moves into his spot.

Agree on getting a dman. It will really depend on the cost, Leafs are thin in draft picks.

I am curious how Habs deal with Carey Price. Can't see him wanting to be part of a 5 year rebuild. Honestly, the Habs are going to suck for some time, even 50% retained to move him to Edmonton or Colorado would help the Habs. Probably off season move, but hard to see him sticking around.
- winsix

Well step 1 is him being healthy.

Afterwards, I mostly agree with what you're saying. If we can trade him to a contender and see him win a cup there, I'll be happy. And hey, if eating a bunch of his salary gives us some sort of decent asset in return, even better.

Friedman said Leafs targeting Giroux? Or made an offer for him or something?
- GreatGigInTheSky

The price tag would be heavy, hard to see it happening. Giroux is still an excellent player

The price tag would be heavy, hard to see it happening. Giroux is still an excellent player
- winsix

If they trade him, I can see him going to the Rangers.

how?
- PatC80

No clue. My brother told me and I don't trust his ass.

So I'm asking you female doges.

No clue. My brother told me and I don't trust his ass.

So I'm asking you female doges.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I don't see it.. Maybe the Rangers

I just ate two footlong subs.

I learned my lesson.

I'll do it again.
- Zezel

If they trade him, I can see him going to the Rangers.
- PatC80

I agree, Rangers, Avs and Panthers all have the propspects and cap space to make a move for Giroux. Provorv would be of interest, but he's a LHD.

Friedman said Leafs targeting Giroux? Or made an offer for him or something?
- GreatGigInTheSky

I'm assuming he means people will try to elbow him in the head next game.

Working at my dad's house today.

Like all dads' houses, this place is freezing.

I've had to take a dump for the last hour, but can't screw up enough courage to face the cold toilet seat.

Working at my dad's house today.

Like all dads' houses, this place is freezing.

I've had to take a dump for the last hour, but can't screw up enough courage to face the cold toilet seat.
- Atomic Wedgie

Clifford has one real value: Physicality. He's a secondary face puncher. I don't think he's really that good at being a face puncher inasmuch as he's better at being the face punchee.

He's not being physical in the games I've seen.

So if you're not hitting, not grinding, not winning battles on the boards, and the only time you're involved in face punching is to give the other team momentum by getting your own face punched, you might not be an NHL player anymore.
- Monkeypunk

Can the Leafs send St. Louis cash for him? Since they did send consideration to St. Louis.

The consider given the St. Louis Blues Pizza Pizza vouchers at the restaurant in the Scotia Place

Working at my dad's house today.

Like all dads' houses, this place is freezing.

I've had to take a dump for the last hour, but can't screw up enough courage to face the cold toilet seat.
- Atomic Wedgie

By the time he died my wife’s dad had one burner working on his stove. He had money but said he never used more than one at a time.

Can the Leafs send St. Louis cash for him? Since they did send consideration to St. Louis.

The consider given the St. Louis Blues Pizza Pizza vouchers at the restaurant in the Scotia Place
- dmnted

I just hope Dubas feels he has repaid whatever debt he thought he owed Clifford. Man is Clifford slow, I mean Chara moves like Makar compared to Clifford.

Working at my dad's house today.

Like all dads' houses, this place is freezing.

I've had to take a dump for the last hour, but can't screw up enough courage to face the cold toilet seat.
- Atomic Wedgie

Working at my dad's house today.

Like all dads' houses, this place is freezing.

I've had to take a dump for the last hour, but can't screw up enough courage to face the cold toilet seat.
- Atomic Wedgie

I can handle a cold toilet seat. I can't stand doing it without a bidet these days though.

One thing about Mexico is we didn't have a bidet down there, so went through like 4 rolls of TP a day to make sure I didn't have dirty swass.