Romanov is the same size as Sandin, which is smaller than Liljegren.

Why do you want Primeau? Are you hoping to tank for Bedard next year, because otherwise I don't see it. He has the occasional good game. So far Cayden Primeau is sort of parallel with Sparks: Limited to good in the AHL.
- Monkeypunk

Romanov can hit, 5'11' is ok, Primeau is much better than Sparks. Leafs have not much in the minors and before you compare him to Sparks check out the awards he's won in the past 3 seasons for US juniors and AHL.

Primeau goes to the Marlies, Woll gets called up to backup Campbell.. Mrazek traded?
- PatC80

I don't know. I am not sold on Woll at all. He had 2 good games, one bad game, and one terrible game. I guess . . . that's better than the type of backup we've had for a long time, if he could keep it up. I'm just being honest in that his style doesn't instill confidence and time will tell - because with goalies you just don't know - but I don't think he has it.

The Habs are rebuilding, not trading their prospects or players on entry level contracts either. the point is to build up from that group, not destroy it.
- Symba007

I don't think Primeau is getting moved either

Agreed.

We can get better offers.

From Florida.
- Scabeh

Perfect

I don't know. I am not sold on Woll at all. He had 2 good games, one bad game, and one terrible game. I guess . . . that's better than the type of backup we've had for a long time, if he could keep it up. I'm just being honest in that his style doesn't instill confidence and time will tell - because with goalies you just don't know - but I don't think he has it.
- Monkeypunk

I don't see it either.. Plus, I think the best of Mrazek is yet to come

I don't think Primeau is getting moved either
- PatC80

Agree, and Chewy can go play for Florida, great place for him. They can win the President's trophy! 8 winners in the 33 times the trophy has been presented have won the cup. Not terrible odds, but not what you would expect.

Mike Augello: Bills and Leafs are blood brothers in misery and heartbreak
- mikeinbuffalo

nfl definitely needs to fix it's OT format

Romanov can hit, 5'11' is ok, Primeau is much better than Sparks. Leafs have not much in the minors and before you compare him to Sparks check out the awards he's won in the past 3 seasons for US juniors and AHL.
- winsix

Well, I'm not going to blame Sparks for the lack of NCAA awards since he didn't play there, but Primeau has a WJC-U20 Silver, he made the 2019-20 AHL All-Rookie team, and last year he was on the Canadian Division All-Star Team. It's not a litany of awards.

Sparks has a U20 Gold medal from the WJC. I suppose I should point out that he played exactly 0 games in the tournament, but he had a nice gold medal to melt down and use to buy food (kidding; he's in the Kings system and even had a couple of good games for them this year). Sparks did win the AHL goalie of the year, best goaltending Duo, First-Team All-Star . . .and both guys were 7th round picks.

Maybe Primeau turns out. He's had some good games. I'm just not a fan.

Well, I'm not going to blame Sparks for the lack of NCAA awards since he didn't play there, but Primeau has a WJC-U20 Silver, he made the 2019-20 AHL All-Rookie team, and last year he was on the Canadian Division All-Star Team. It's not a litany of awards.

Sparks has a U20 Gold medal from the WJC. I suppose I should point out that he played exactly 0 games in the tournament, but he had a nice gold medal to melt down and use to buy food (kidding; he's in the Kings system and even had a couple of good games for them this year). Sparks did win the AHL goalie of the year, best goaltending Duo, First-Team All-Star . . .and both guys were 7th round picks.

Maybe Primeau turns out. He's had some good games. I'm just not a fan.
- Monkeypunk

Sparks is 28, Primeau is 22

I think the Habs view Primeau at their main back up next year.

I like it.

Holl for Primeau and then Mrazek for Edmonton's 1st.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Mrazek stays on this season.
Schedule is too dense in Feb and March.
It will be an off season move IMO.

Well, I'm not going to blame Sparks for the lack of NCAA awards since he didn't play there, but Primeau has a WJC-U20 Silver, he made the 2019-20 AHL All-Rookie team, and last year he was on the Canadian Division All-Star Team. It's not a litany of awards.

Sparks has a U20 Gold medal from the WJC. I suppose I should point out that he played exactly 0 games in the tournament, but he had a nice gold medal to melt down and use to buy food (kidding; he's in the Kings system and even had a couple of good games for them this year). Sparks did win the AHL goalie of the year, best goaltending Duo, First-Team All-Star . . .and both guys were 7th round picks.

Maybe Primeau turns out. He's had some good games. I'm just not a fan.
- Monkeypunk

Maybe:

2018-2019
NCAA (East) First All-American Team
NCAA (Hockey East) All-Tournament Team
NCAA (Hockey East) Champion
NCAA (Hockey East) First All-Star Team
NCAA (Hockey East) Goaltender of the Year
NCAA (Hockey East) Three Stars Award
NCAA (Hockey East) Tournament MVP
NCAA Top Collegiate Goalie (Mike Richter Award)
U20 WJC Silver Medal
2019-2020
AHL All-Rookie Team
2020-2021
AHL (Canadian Division) All-Star Team

Mrazek stays on this season.
Schedule is too dense in Feb and March.
It will be an off season move IMO.
- Fakepartofme

Agree, it's the schedule, not really the issue of being a replacement for Campbell if injured - because he isn't

Sparks is 28, Primeau is 22

I think the Habs view Primeau at their main back up next year.
- Symba007

I'm not comparing them head-to-head now. When Sparks came up to Toronto and blew his o-ring all over the bed, he was 23 - so a year older - after being the AHL's goalie of the year.

Being good in the AHL and the who-gives-a-poop NCAA - isn't the indicator we want it to be. Jason LaBarbera and Mark LaForest have both won the AHL goalie of the year twice. Other relatively recent winners are Sparks, Grosenick, Yann Denis, Svedberg, Thiessen . . . sprinkled in there are some good names who had success - like Murray, Schnieder, Bernier, Nedelkovic . . . and Budaj. I don't know which category to put him in. I lean towards the sucks category.

Anyway, my point is that Cayden Primeau might be the best young goalie in Montreal's system at the moment - like Joseph Woll might be ours - but I don't think either one of them look like the starter of the future. Using AHL and minor league stats to try and determine a goalie's future has proven pretty pointless in the past and we're not apt to change it in this forum.

Maybe:

2018-2019
NCAA (East) First All-American Team
NCAA (Hockey East) All-Tournament Team
NCAA (Hockey East) Champion
NCAA (Hockey East) First All-Star Team
NCAA (Hockey East) Goaltender of the Year
NCAA (Hockey East) Three Stars Award
NCAA (Hockey East) Tournament MVP
NCAA Top Collegiate Goalie (Mike Richter Award)
U20 WJC Silver Medal
2019-2020
AHL All-Rookie Team
2020-2021
AHL (Canadian Division) All-Star Team
- winsix

And none of that means poop.

I have no idea what the kid will end up looking like in the NHL, but NCAA goalie awards mean poop-diddly.

Mike Richter Award winners:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Richter_Award

Could be good, could be not so good.

Literally everyone in the league is an upgrade over Holl, even if it's minimal.
- GreatGigInTheSky

If you measured the difference with a feeler gauge, works out most likely around. .010"
Like we should trade whatever to accomplish so little. Yea baby, let's do it, two steps forward and three back.

Haha...


Wait what?

- Scabeh

Shocked that the Habs haven't worked on a long term extension with Ben.

Don't see anything on their roster better than him.

You'll take Dermott and like it.. Also, please?
- PatC80

Are you suggesting we trade the guy born in Newmarket to a new market?

Shocked that the Habs haven't worked on a long term extension with Ben.

Don't see anything on their roster better than him.
- Leafsmart

If the Habs are truly entering rebuild territory then the late 1st that he can potentially fetch for them is worth more than Chiarot would be to the team. I think they're pretty thin in the minors or in prospects. You've got Romanov, Suzuki, Caulfield, Guhle . . .I'm not too sure who's after that (I guess Poehling, but he's not wowing anyone these days).

And none of that means poop.

I have no idea what the kid will end up looking like in the NHL, but NCAA goalie awards mean poop-diddly.

Mike Richter Award winners:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Richter_Award

Could be good, could be not so good.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agree, but potential as a back up not a stretch.

Are you suggesting we trade the guy born in Newmarket to a new market?
- mr.sir

It wouldn't be a foreign market, it would be a relatively older market..

Mrazek stays on this season.
Schedule is too dense in Feb and March.
It will be an off season move IMO.
- Fakepartofme

I wasn't actually serious because the returns for both things I said isn't gonna happen.

Thinking we'd get anything in return for Holl's useless ass.

If the Habs are truly entering rebuild territory then the late 1st that he can potentially fetch for them is worth more than Chiarot would be to the team. I think they're pretty thin in the minors or in prospects. You've got Romanov, Suzuki, Caulfield, Guhle . . .I'm not too sure who's after that (I guess Poehling, but he's not wowing anyone these days).
- Monkeypunk

This is the problem I'd have in acquiring Chairot. If we have to use that and add a bit, we can come out of this with a player we can go forward with from another team. A player with term is most likely the direction that Kyle will go.

Chairot is not good enough to waste a first. Just sayin'

Thanks man, I enjoy what you bring to this site. Keep it coming.

Agree, but potential as a back up not a stretch.
- winsix

It's absolutely not a stretch.

My basic argument went to the fact that I wouldn't go out of my way to trade for Primeau - really only because I don't believe in him anymore than the the guys we already have - if Scott can stay healthy (big *IF*), or if Woll develops further, or Kallgren turns out to be a magical overaged signing . .

I see his former accolades. Almost all of these guys have been THE Man on their teams or in their leagues in the past. Let's face it - they are the best of the best (which tells you how much of a fall from grace it really is when they suck at the NHL level - that's a solid kick in the confidence).

So I'm not ignoring your point - it's not without merit - it's just not the sign we want it to be.

I wasn't actually serious because the returns for both things I said isn't gonna happen.

Thinking we'd get anything in return for Holl's useless ass.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Getting rid of Holl isn't the big challenge IMO. The bigger issue is actually getting a replacment that isn't a bigger pile of poop. Chewy for a pick and or prospect falls in the Nick Foligno fail spectrum for me.

This is the problem I'd have in acquiring Chairot. If we have to use that and add a bit, we can come out of this with a player we can go forward with from another team. A player with term is most likely the direction that Kyle will go.

Chairot is not good enough to waste a first. Just sayin'

Thanks man, I enjoy what you bring to this site. Keep it coming.
- Leafsmart

If the last playoffs showed anything, it's that Chiarot can give you 25min of reliable hockey in the playoffs.

That's easily worth a first to some team, at least according to most people reporting him as a prime trade target.

Habs need to rebuild and leave room for Guhle, Romanov and Harris moving forward. Trading him is the right move, even if he's a solid player.