Ill let you workout with me one day and if youre still dumb enough to keep up this fake toughguy facade, ill be happy to oblige you
- THE BLACK HAND

batter up.

workout lol...ok buff.. you must be big and scary

The only thing I want to hear from Fletcher is "I am resigning, effective immediately".

The only thing I want to hear from Fletcher is "I am resigning, effective immediately".
- Feanor

Spot on! His last press conference was beyond embarrassing.

Even better is that everyone is resigning and Taryn Hatcher is the interim GM.

The only thing I want to hear from Fletcher is "I am resigning, effective immediately".
- Feanor

I would like to hear that from Scott and, as an afterthought, stepping back to the mike and telling us that Chuck is no longer GM.

Well said. Clarke trashing Hextall for picking Patrick is hilarious when you look at Bobby's drafting record. He didn't even want Giroux in 2006, he wanted Trevor Lewis.
- Feanor

Yeah. Re posting the comment keep pushing the false narrative is hardly the same as making a convincing argument.

Yeah. Re posting the comment keep pushing the false narrative is hardly the same as making a convincing argument.
- Hextall271

Can you admit Saint Ronnie failed?

Spot on! His last press conference was beyond embarrassing.

Even better is that everyone is resigning and Taryn Hatcher is the interim GM.
- MJL

See, I’ve been pushing that plan for a while. Taryn for GM. gritty for coach. The org would be looked upon more favourably than it is now.

Can you admit Saint Ronnie failed?
- hello it's me 2050

Did you have your snickers yet? Should we call you Betty or Fish?

Can you admit Saint Ronnie failed?
- hello it's me 2050

Stop pushing the false narrative that hextall is to blame for everything wrong with org.

Spot on! His last press conference was beyond embarrassing.

Even better is that everyone is resigning and Taryn Hatcher is the interim GM.
- MJL

You dog you!! Can't say I would mind though ....

See, I’ve been pushing that plan for a while. Taryn for GM. gritty for coach. The org would be looked upon more favourably than it is now.
- Hextall271

Oh yes, we would all like to see that.

Stop pushing the false narrative that hextall is to blame for everything wrong with org.
- Hextall271

But ... but .. then we would have to find someone else to blame ...

Stop pushing the false narrative that hextall is to blame for everything wrong with org.
- Hextall271

Can you show me 1 post where I said Saint Ronnie is all to blame. Can you show me 1 post where insinuated Saint Ronnie is all to blame. just 1. The Saint shares the blame along with many others.

As I thought you cant even admit he failed.

Getting a little tired of the nostalgia for Ed Snider on this board. Team plateaud/declined since 1987 and his role in that goes largely unnoticed here. Under his ownership and dedication to "Flyers Hockey," this team traded away Peter Forsberg, Rod B, J Williams, Jeff C and Bob. 4 of those 5 are HOFers who won a lot of SCs and Bob may get there yet. And, he sold the team to a corporate group whose attitude about this team is one step away from "IDGAF." Yes, he did some great things but let's be a little more even in how we look at his ownership and legacy.
- iamscore2day

Ok, Penguins fan. Here's a little history lesson.

1) Jay Snider was running the team in the late 80s to early 90s. Ed was focused primarily on a new arena project.

2) Forsberg, whom the Flyers went WAY off the board to draft in 1991, would have been kept had he be ready to come over to North America in 1992-93. He ended up not coming over until 1994-95.

3) Forsberg was not part of the Lindros trade package until near the very end of the process. Quebec kept demanding Brind'Amour, who the Flyers considered untouchable. If Brind'Amour had been included, the European center prospect who'd have gone along to Quebec would have been Slava Butsayev. The Flyers ultimately sent Mike Ricci (in lieu of Brind'Amour) and Forsberg (more highly regarded by that point than Butsayev, who was considered a decent prospect in his own right). So, basically, the decision came down to Philly having Lindros and Brind'Amour right away OR having only Lindros and Ricci and waiting at least one (and it turned out to be two) more seasons for Forsberg to come over.

Read Full Spectrum, copyright, 1996 for the full story.

4) At the time Lindros played his final game as a Flyer, he was fifth ALL-TIME in the NHL in points per game. He was injured a lot. There was off-ice drama. The team didn't win a Cup. But he was every bit the franchise player he was touted to be. Unfortunately, the repeated concussions diminished him as a player progressively post-Philly.

5) The Flyers made out fine in the Primeau for Brind'Amour trade. It was unfortunate that, post 2004, Primeau had his own post-concussion issues that ended his career early while Roddy kept on ticking in Carolina.

6) Justin Williams was injury plagued in his early years in Philly but the real reason the trade for Markov was made was that the Flyers were quite deep at forward and quite shallow on D. Markov was a warrior for the team -- especially with the blueline riddled with injures -- as it got within a 2-1 Game 7 loss to Tampa in the 2004 ECF.

Unfortunately, then came the lockout, and Markov was a salary cap casualty. In the long run, it was a bad trade. In the short term, it got a Cup caliber Flyers team to within a win of the Cup Final (where they'd have stood a real good chance against Calgary).

7) The Flyers made out fine with the Carter (and Richards) trades. It was Columbus that got hosed. The Flyers got the first round pick they used on Sean Couturier, a young Jakub Voracek and a third-rounder (Nick Cousins) from it. The Blue Jackets got a few months of a sulking Carter from it and then they got Jack Johnson in exchange for Carter.

8) See "Flyers at 50" for the full Bryz saga and the eventual trade (under duress) of Bobrovsky. That is one bad decision that legitimately can be pinned on Ed Snider. For the record, both Paul Holmgren and goalie coach Jeff Reese were in favor of keeping Bobrovsky as the starter. After the debacle of the 2010 Cup Final and goalie carousel in 2011 playoffs, Snider demanded a proven solution. Bobrovsky was a 2nd year pro. Bryzgalov was a year removed from being a Vezina finalist. So there was a logic to it but it didn't work out, clearly.

9) Last but not least, let's not forget that Ed Snider TWICE had the ability to drive the Penguins out of business or to relocation.

* Snider's Spectacor was the bankrupt (for the second time) Penguins' landlord at the Igloo and operated the arena. Spectacor loaned the Penguins money to keep the team afloat and the Penguins built up debt:http://hockeynut.com/9899/penguins1098.html.

Snider could have called in the debts and forced Baldwin's Penguins to fold or relocate. It wouldn't have been smart business to do so, but he could have had he so desired.

* In 2004, with the lockout in force and NHL ownership solidarity on a salary cap in danger of breaking -- which would have driven the Penguins and Edmonton out of business. Gary Bettman pleaded with Snider (whose Flyers benefitted from the lack of a salary cap) to stay on board for the good of the league. He did, and the NHL owners held the line.

Additionally, let us not forget that the Wells Fargo Center was privately funded by Snider. What's now PPG Paints Arena was made possible by the PA taxpayers: https://www.broadstreetho...pennsylvania-taxes-flyers

Last but not least, the Flyers post 1987 reached two Cup Finals and four additional conference finals within Ed Snider's lifetime. It's been since his passing that the organization has seemingly lost its way.

Aren't you the optimist.
This organization will squish any upside outta any young kid chosen in any round
- konalover711

I have to be ... otherwise I would go insane. It doesn't rain every day, things have to turn around here.

This weekend I watched my cousin's son play hockey, and he played against Kevin's Hayes' son and Kevin was there. I wanted to approach him badly but just left him alone. I'm sure he doesn't want to talk about his own injury or the state of the team, so I figured, what's the point of bothering him.

Not inconsistent to say Hexy had a mixed record and Clarkie crossed the line. I liked Hexy but haven't canonized him. Unlike Clarkie, however, I don't blame Hexy for everything and publicly trash his picks (one of whom has dealt with some real injury problems) in order to protect my friend's clueless son whom I pushed to be GM. Find me another example of classless behavior like this from a sports organization.
- iamscore2day

How do you define classless; purposely and obviously tanking to draft Lemieux? Bankrupt organization should be moved to another city, yet magically comes up with the $ to stay put? Gifted the #1 and #2 overall picks in back to back seasons, one of which was a lockout year? Fair weather fans that only show up when the team is good?

Ok, Penguins fan. Here's a little history lesson.

1) Jay Snider was running the team in the late 80s to early 90s. Ed was focused primarily on a new arena project.

2) Forsberg, whom the Flyers went WAY off the board to draft in 1991, would have been kept had he be ready to come over to North America in 1992-93. He ended up not coming over until 1994-95.

3) Forsberg was not part of the Lindros trade package until near the very end of the process. Quebec kept demanding Brind'Amour, who the Flyers considered untouchable. If Brind'Amour had been included, the European center prospect who'd have gone along to Quebec would have been Slava Butsayev. The Flyers ultimately sent Mike Ricci (in lieu of Brind'Amour) and Forsberg (more highly regarded by that point than Butsayev, who was considered a decent prospect in his own right). So, basically, the decision came down to Philly having Lindros and Brind'Amour right away OR having only Lindros and Ricci and waiting at least one (and it turned out to be two) more seasons for Forsberg to come over.

Read Full Spectrum, copyright, 1996 for the full story.

4) At the time Lindros played his final game as a Flyer, he was fifth ALL-TIME in the NHL in points per game. He was injured a lot. There was off-ice drama. The team didn't win a Cup. But he was every bit the franchise player he was touted to be. Unfortunately, the repeated concussions diminished him as a player progressively post-Philly.

5) The Flyers made out fine in the Primeau for Brind'Amour trade. It was unfortunate that, post 2004, Primeau had his own post-concussion issues that ended his career early while Roddy kept on ticking in Carolina.

6) Justin Williams was injury plagued in his early years in Philly but the real reason the trade for Markov was made was that the Flyers were quite deep at forward and quite shallow on D. Markov was a warrior for the team -- especially with the blueline riddled with injures -- as it got within a 2-1 Game 7 loss to Tampa in the 2004 ECF.

Unfortunately, then came the lockout, and Markov was a salary cap casualty. In the long run, it was a bad trade. In the short term, it got a Cup caliber Flyers team to within a win of the Cup Final (where they'd have stood a real good chance against Calgary).

7) The Flyers made out fine with the Carter (and Richards) trades. It was Columbus that got hosed. The Flyers got the first round pick they used on Sean Couturier, a young Jakub Voracek and a third-rounder (Nick Cousins) from it. The Blue Jackets got a few months of a sulking Carter from it and then they got Jack Johnson in exchange for Carter.

8) See "Flyers at 50" for the full Bryz saga and the eventual trade (under duress) of Bobrovsky. That is one bad decision that legitimately can be pinned on Ed Snider. For the record, both Paul Holmgren and goalie coach Jeff Reese were in favor of keeping Bobrovsky as the starter. After the debacle of the 2010 Cup Final and goalie carousel in 2011 playoffs, Snider demanded a proven solution. Bobrovsky was a 2nd year pro. Bryzgalov was a year removed from being a Vezina finalist. So there was a logic to it but it didn't work out, clearly.

9) Last but not least, let's not forget that Ed Snider TWICE had the ability to drive the Penguins out of business or to relocation.

* Snider's Spectacor was the bankrupt (for the second time) Penguins' landlord at the Igloo and operated the arena. Spectacor loaned the Penguins money to keep the team afloat and the Penguins built up debt:http://hockeynut.com/9899/penguins1098.html.

Snider could have called in the debts and forced Baldwin's Penguins to fold or relocate. It wouldn't have been smart business to do so, but he could have had he so desired.

* In 2004, with the lockout in force and NHL ownership solidarity on a salary cap in danger of breaking -- which would have driven the Penguins and Edmonton out of business. Gary Bettman pleaded with Snider (whose Flyers benefitted from the lack of a salary cap) to stay on board for the good of the league. He did, and the NHL owners held the line.

Additionally, let us not forget that the Wells Fargo Center was privately funded by Snider. What's now PPG Paints Arena was made possible by the PA taxpayers: https://www.broadstreetho...pennsylvania-taxes-flyers

Last but not least, the Flyers post 1987 reached two Cup Finals and four additional conference finals within Ed Snider's lifetime. It's been since his passing that the organization has seemingly lost its way.
- bmeltzer

Boom, roasted

Can someone explain how on this dumpster fire disgrace of a team with a goal differential of -39 Atkinson is a plus 7. Almost impossible to do. The Answer is easy tho he plays the right way. No secret he came from outside the organization. Just about everyone else is a product of CC & his country club.
- Fopa21

Yandle came from outside the organization. He's -22.

Elliotte Friedman reported in 32 Thoughts that couple sources have told him that the Maple Leafs have made an offer for Claude Giroux

Elliotte Friedman reported in 32 Thoughts that couple sources have told him that the Maple Leafs have made an offer for Claude Giroux
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

can you share the link please

Elliotte Friedman reported in 32 Thoughts that couple sources have told him that the Maple Leafs have made an offer for Claude Giroux
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The team missing two of their top 4 D has made an offer for a high priced forward? I know it’s Friedman but that doesn’t add up

Ok, Penguins fan. Here's a little history lesson.

1) Jay Snider was running the team in the late 80s to early 90s. Ed was focused primarily on a new arena project.

2) Forsberg, whom the Flyers went WAY off the board to draft in 1991, would have been kept had he be ready to come over to North America in 1992-93. He ended up not coming over until 1994-95.

3) Forsberg was not part of the Lindros trade package until near the very end of the process. Quebec kept demanding Brind'Amour, who the Flyers considered untouchable. If Brind'Amour had been included, the European center prospect who'd have gone along to Quebec would have been Slava Butsayev. The Flyers ultimately sent Mike Ricci (in lieu of Brind'Amour) and Forsberg (more highly regarded by that point than Butsayev, who was considered a decent prospect in his own right). So, basically, the decision came down to Philly having Lindros and Brind'Amour right away OR having only Lindros and Ricci and waiting at least one (and it turned out to be two) more seasons for Forsberg to come over.

Read Full Spectrum, copyright, 1996 for the full story.

4) At the time Lindros played his final game as a Flyer, he was fifth ALL-TIME in the NHL in points per game. He was injured a lot. There was off-ice drama. The team didn't win a Cup. But he was every bit the franchise player he was touted to be. Unfortunately, the repeated concussions diminished him as a player progressively post-Philly.

5) The Flyers made out fine in the Primeau for Brind'Amour trade. It was unfortunate that, post 2004, Primeau had his own post-concussion issues that ended his career early while Roddy kept on ticking in Carolina.

6) Justin Williams was injury plagued in his early years in Philly but the real reason the trade for Markov was made was that the Flyers were quite deep at forward and quite shallow on D. Markov was a warrior for the team -- especially with the blueline riddled with injures -- as it got within a 2-1 Game 7 loss to Tampa in the 2004 ECF.

Unfortunately, then came the lockout, and Markov was a salary cap casualty. In the long run, it was a bad trade. In the short term, it got a Cup caliber Flyers team to within a win of the Cup Final (where they'd have stood a real good chance against Calgary).

7) The Flyers made out fine with the Carter (and Richards) trades. It was Columbus that got hosed. The Flyers got the first round pick they used on Sean Couturier, a young Jakub Voracek and a third-rounder (Nick Cousins) from it. The Blue Jackets got a few months of a sulking Carter from it and then they got Jack Johnson in exchange for Carter.

8) See "Flyers at 50" for the full Bryz saga and the eventual trade (under duress) of Bobrovsky. That is one bad decision that legitimately can be pinned on Ed Snider. For the record, both Paul Holmgren and goalie coach Jeff Reese were in favor of keeping Bobrovsky as the starter. After the debacle of the 2010 Cup Final and goalie carousel in 2011 playoffs, Snider demanded a proven solution. Bobrovsky was a 2nd year pro. Bryzgalov was a year removed from being a Vezina finalist. So there was a logic to it but it didn't work out, clearly.

9) Last but not least, let's not forget that Ed Snider TWICE had the ability to drive the Penguins out of business or to relocation.

* Snider's Spectacor was the bankrupt (for the second time) Penguins' landlord at the Igloo and operated the arena. Spectacor loaned the Penguins money to keep the team afloat and the Penguins built up debt:http://hockeynut.com/9899/penguins1098.html.

Snider could have called in the debts and forced Baldwin's Penguins to fold or relocate. It wouldn't have been smart business to do so, but he could have had he so desired.

* In 2004, with the lockout in force and NHL ownership solidarity on a salary cap in danger of breaking -- which would have driven the Penguins and Edmonton out of business. Gary Bettman pleaded with Snider (whose Flyers benefitted from the lack of a salary cap) to stay on board for the good of the league. He did, and the NHL owners held the line.

Additionally, let us not forget that the Wells Fargo Center was privately funded by Snider. What's now PPG Paints Arena was made possible by the PA taxpayers: https://www.broadstreetho...pennsylvania-taxes-flyers

Last but not least, the Flyers post 1987 reached two Cup Finals and four additional conference finals within Ed Snider's lifetime. It's been since his passing that the organization has seemingly lost its way.
- bmeltzer

Simply outstanding, Bill! Love it!

The Flyers since Snider died have about the same record as they did in the last five seasons of his ownership. Doesn't seem like much of a turning point to me.

Really, since the salary cap started in 2005 they have had one great playoff run and that was a season where they had the 18th= best regular season record and were lucky just to make the playoffs.

The Flyers since Snider died have about the same record as they did in the last five seasons of his ownership. Doesn't seem like much of a turning point to me.

Really, since the salary cap started in 2005 they have had one great playoff run and that was a season where they had the 18th= best regular season record and were lucky just to make the playoffs.
- Feanor

This organization has shown they really cant compete since the implementation of the cap.

Ok, Penguins fan. Here's a little history lesson.

1) Jay Snider was running the team in the late 80s to early 90s. Ed was focused primarily on a new arena project.

2) Forsberg, whom the Flyers went WAY off the board to draft in 1991, would have been kept had he be ready to come over to North America in 1992-93. He ended up not coming over until 1994-95.

3) Forsberg was not part of the Lindros trade package until near the very end of the process. Quebec kept demanding Brind'Amour, who the Flyers considered untouchable. If Brind'Amour had been included, the European center prospect who'd have gone along to Quebec would have been Slava Butsayev. The Flyers ultimately sent Mike Ricci (in lieu of Brind'Amour) and Forsberg (more highly regarded by that point than Butsayev, who was considered a decent prospect in his own right). So, basically, the decision came down to Philly having Lindros and Brind'Amour right away OR having only Lindros and Ricci and waiting at least one (and it turned out to be two) more seasons for Forsberg to come over.

Read Full Spectrum, copyright, 1996 for the full story.

4) At the time Lindros played his final game as a Flyer, he was fifth ALL-TIME in the NHL in points per game. He was injured a lot. There was off-ice drama. The team didn't win a Cup. But he was every bit the franchise player he was touted to be. Unfortunately, the repeated concussions diminished him as a player progressively post-Philly.

5) The Flyers made out fine in the Primeau for Brind'Amour trade. It was unfortunate that, post 2004, Primeau had his own post-concussion issues that ended his career early while Roddy kept on ticking in Carolina.

6) Justin Williams was injury plagued in his early years in Philly but the real reason the trade for Markov was made was that the Flyers were quite deep at forward and quite shallow on D. Markov was a warrior for the team -- especially with the blueline riddled with injures -- as it got within a 2-1 Game 7 loss to Tampa in the 2004 ECF.

Unfortunately, then came the lockout, and Markov was a salary cap casualty. In the long run, it was a bad trade. In the short term, it got a Cup caliber Flyers team to within a win of the Cup Final (where they'd have stood a real good chance against Calgary).

7) The Flyers made out fine with the Carter (and Richards) trades. It was Columbus that got hosed. The Flyers got the first round pick they used on Sean Couturier, a young Jakub Voracek and a third-rounder (Nick Cousins) from it. The Blue Jackets got a few months of a sulking Carter from it and then they got Jack Johnson in exchange for Carter.

8) See "Flyers at 50" for the full Bryz saga and the eventual trade (under duress) of Bobrovsky. That is one bad decision that legitimately can be pinned on Ed Snider. For the record, both Paul Holmgren and goalie coach Jeff Reese were in favor of keeping Bobrovsky as the starter. After the debacle of the 2010 Cup Final and goalie carousel in 2011 playoffs, Snider demanded a proven solution. Bobrovsky was a 2nd year pro. Bryzgalov was a year removed from being a Vezina finalist. So there was a logic to it but it didn't work out, clearly.

9) Last but not least, let's not forget that Ed Snider TWICE had the ability to drive the Penguins out of business or to relocation.

* Snider's Spectacor was the bankrupt (for the second time) Penguins' landlord at the Igloo and operated the arena. Spectacor loaned the Penguins money to keep the team afloat and the Penguins built up debt:http://hockeynut.com/9899/penguins1098.html.

Snider could have called in the debts and forced Baldwin's Penguins to fold or relocate. It wouldn't have been smart business to do so, but he could have had he so desired.

* In 2004, with the lockout in force and NHL ownership solidarity on a salary cap in danger of breaking -- which would have driven the Penguins and Edmonton out of business. Gary Bettman pleaded with Snider (whose Flyers benefitted from the lack of a salary cap) to stay on board for the good of the league. He did, and the NHL owners held the line.

Additionally, let us not forget that the Wells Fargo Center was privately funded by Snider. What's now PPG Paints Arena was made possible by the PA taxpayers: https://www.broadstreetho...pennsylvania-taxes-flyers

Last but not least, the Flyers post 1987 reached two Cup Finals and four additional conference finals within Ed Snider's lifetime. It's been since his passing that the organization has seemingly lost its way.
- bmeltzer

YOU GO, BILL!