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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 24 @ 5:50 PM ET
Phantoms have played back to back games so any forward they would call up would be playing 3 in 3.
- MJL


No worries, just give more ice time to MacEwen.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 5:51 PM ET
Clarke is simply stating the lack of depth is on Hextall. The reality is, a huge issue with the Flyers has been depth. The fact is when guys like Giroux, Couturier and Hayes are hurt they have no one down the lineup that can step up. The fact is none of our prospects are really panning out as expected.

Nolan Patrick, Rubstov, Ratcliffe, Strome, Cates, Laberge, Twarynski, Bunnaman, Vorobyev, Kase ect have been busts

Sanheim, Ghost, Konecny, NAK, Myers and Frost have disappointed after showing promise.

How long before Farabee, York, Hart, Sandstrom and Zamula join them?

In fairness to Hexy we never drafted that well to begin with. Our history is flooded with busts and bottom 6 picks. In the last 22 years the best 1st round picks we made were:

Justin Williams - 2000
Richards, Carter - 2003
Giroux - 2006
JVR - 2007
Couturier - 2011
Provorov - 2015
----------------------TBD
Farabee - 2018
York - 2019
Forester - 2020

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


We have been particularly bad at drafting dmen for a long time. After eons of lean picking, we have made a couple of good choices. I mean, we have provy York and sanheim along with Myers who wasn’t drafted (I still think he’ll end up being an nhl dman although for another team)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 5:54 PM ET
Clarke is simply stating the lack of depth is on Hextall. The reality is, a huge issue with the Flyers has been depth. The fact is when guys like Giroux, Couturier and Hayes are hurt they have no one down the lineup that can step up. The fact is none of our prospects are really panning out as expected.

Nolan Patrick, Rubstov, Ratcliffe, Strome, Cates, Laberge, Twarynski, Bunnaman, Vorobyev, Kase ect have been busts

Sanheim, Ghost, Konecny, NAK, Myers and Frost have disappointed after showing promise.

How long before Farabee, York, Hart, Sandstrom and Zamula join them?

In fairness to Hexy we never drafted that well to begin with. Our history is flooded with busts and bottom 6 picks. In the last 22 years the best 1st round picks we made were:

Justin Williams - 2000
Richards, Carter - 2003
Giroux - 2006
JVR - 2007
Couturier - 2011
Provorov - 2015
----------------------TBD
Farabee - 2018
York - 2019
Forester - 2020

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


No, Clarke was not criticizing the depth. So all of those players that are busts and you speculate others will join them. What does that suggest? Gostisbehere and Aube-Kubel seem to be doing fine. Myers when he plays has done fine but Nashville is very deep defensively. I'd take him back. Maybe it's not all about players but is about something else.

funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 24 @ 5:58 PM ET
I'm not terrified of the deadline. I'm terrified of what they're going to do this next off season if they have significant cap space.
- MJL


Oh I’m scared about that too. But I have to be scared about today and tomorrow before we even get to the off-season. This organization is capable of anything it seems so I can’t assume we will have cap space come summer
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 24 @ 5:59 PM ET
Can someone tell me why seeler is playing on the 4th line tonight? I thought it was a joke but looks to be a real life nightmare.

Don’t we not have any better options?

- Hextall271


This must be why the flyers blocked Briere to Montreal. He’s getting ready to enter the lineup.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 24 @ 6:05 PM ET
They could have had Towes too instead of Staal if I'm not mistaken.

I will say this. The flip side of tanking is Edmonton. Gotta be able to nail those high end picks.

- Pelle31Forever

they could have had toews over staal, but in those early years staal really, really fit what they needed.

would never try to say tanking/luck didnt have a lot to do with it, but in fairness the draft equity needed/used isnt even close to edmontons at this point. Crosby was a 1, malkin was a 2, fleury was a 1 but was traded up for. Letang was a third round pick the year of crosby. they dont really have a ton of other high picks generated from the suckage window. most were either traded and they really couldnt hit in the mid/late first round to save their lives. Would make the flyers look like prodigies.

edmonton had what? four firsts overall in 6 years? with a seventh and pair of four overalls thrown in there as well?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 6:08 PM ET
they could have had toews over staal, but in those early years staal really, really fit what they needed.

would never try to say tanking/luck didnt have a lot to do with it, but in fairness the draft equity needed/used isnt even close to edmontons at this point. Crosby was a 1, malkin was a 2, fleury was a 1 but was traded up for. Letang was a third round pick the year of crosby. they dont really have a ton of other high picks generated from the suckage window. most were either traded and they really couldnt hit in the mid/late first round to save their lives. Would make the flyers look like prodigies.

edmonton had what? four firsts overall in 6 years? with a seventh and pair of four overalls thrown in there as well?

- stayinthefnnet


Edmonton is the cautionary tale regarding tanking. Their failure is Epic in view of the amount of high picks they’ve had
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jan 24 @ 6:08 PM ET
Barkann back with his blue glasses! 😆
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 6:08 PM ET
Phantoms have played back to back games so any forward they would call up would be playing 3 in 3.
- MJL


Gotcha.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 6:09 PM ET
This must be why the flyers blocked Briere to Montreal. He’s getting ready to enter the lineup.
- funmaster18


Omg. I’d love to have him. He’d instantly be their best finisher.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 24 @ 6:10 PM ET
Edmonton is the cautionary tale regarding tanking. Their failure is Epic in view of the amount of high picks they’ve had
- Hextall271

it is. i do subscribe to the idea that obviously when you suck and get to pick is important and largely out of your control, but its not as though every year was a yakupov year. They hit on getting generational guys. Now they need to fill in. its laughable to be where they are now.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 6:10 PM ET
Oh I’m scared about that too. But I have to be scared about today and tomorrow before we even get to the off-season. This organization is capable of anything it seems so I can’t assume we will have cap space come summer
- funmaster18


Say hello to Jonny gaudreau and a prayer that Ellis is heathy.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 6:12 PM ET
it is. i do subscribe to the idea that obviously when you suck and get to pick is important and largely out of your control, but its not as though every year was a yakupov year. They hit on getting generational guys. Now they need to fill in. its laughable to be where they are now.
- stayinthefnnet


I’m sure you’ve heard the tale of the Yakupov draft. The owner Daryl Katz like me nail and overrode the gm and scouts to pick him although he was a consensus high pick.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jan 24 @ 6:24 PM ET
All of whihc is true in that quote.

Do not see any Fletcher defending. When Fletcher is gone and if asked I have zero doubt Clarke will say Fletcher made mistakes.

You do realize the interview was about Clarke's career right? less the last 2 minutes or so.

- hello it's me 2050


The podcast was about Clarke's career, unfortunately all that get's mentioned are the few minutes he spent on Hextall.

I doubt, and this is just my opinion that he ever calls out Fletcher in the same way as Hextall. Have you ever heard Clarke call out Holmgren the same way as Hextall? He made more mistakes than Hextall but their relationship is different, hence the pass. At least as far as i remember.

Chuck, the son of Cliff Fletcher, a man who Clarke looked up to, got his big break when Clarke considered him as his first AGM hire when Clarke was GM of the FLA Panthers. Clarke considered him because he admired Cliff and Clarke has been Chuck's rabbi ever since. Chuck owes his career to Clarke and those two have a close relationship.

Clarke will protect him. It's all about relationships in sports front offices.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 6:30 PM ET
Let’s see if they get with the times and finally tear this turd down. Judging how they view team building in 2022 the Flyers front office probably wears Member’s Only jackets and Zubaz.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jan 24 @ 6:36 PM ET
Let’s see if they get with the times and finally tear this turd down. Judging how they view team building in 2022 the Flyers front office probably wears Member’s Only jackets and Zubaz.
- hereticpride

And British Knights
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jan 24 @ 6:38 PM ET
Edmonton is the cautionary tale regarding tanking. Their failure is Epic in view of the amount of high picks they’ve had
- Hextall271


Here's a question, do you think Sidney Crosby becomes a multiple Stanley cup winning super star no matter who drafts him? What about Ovechkin?

or is it about stacking generational talents? ie .. you put Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury on Edmonton, do they win a cup?

The Stanley cup winners usually have multiple top talents on the team.

Chicken egg thing. Do the teams nurture the players and make them stars or does the increase in talent lift all boats? What separates a Stamkos from a Nolan Patrick?

Is it all about not having the drive to be the best or being buried on a crap team?







ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 24 @ 6:39 PM ET
Edmonton is the cautionary tale regarding tanking. Their failure is Epic in view of the amount of high picks they’ve had
- Hextall271

It’s just the worst organization in hockey. Nothing to do with the tanking
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jan 24 @ 6:41 PM ET
Here's a question, do you think Sidney Crosby becomes a multiple Stanley cup winning super star no matter who drafts him? What about Ovechkin?

or is it about stacking generational talents? ie .. you put Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury on Edmonton, do they win a cup?

The Stanley cup winners usually have multiple top talents on the team.

Chicken egg thing. Do the teams nurture the players and make them stars or does the increase in talent lift all boats? What separates a Stamkos from a Nolan Patrick?

Is it all about not having the drive to be the best or being buried on a crap team?

- Flyers_01


its extremely co-dependent for sure. my point is just with the sheer amount of draft capital at their disposal, there really is not an excuse to not have been able to accumulate multiple top talents on the team when it comes to edmonton.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 6:53 PM ET
And British Knights
- DrMidnite

I forgot all about those. They always gave those out on Double Dare.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 6:55 PM ET
Here's a question, do you think Sidney Crosby becomes a multiple Stanley cup winning super star no matter who drafts him? What about Ovechkin?

or is it about stacking generational talents? ie .. you put Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury on Edmonton, do they win a cup?

The Stanley cup winners usually have multiple top talents on the team.

Chicken egg thing. Do the teams nurture the players and make them stars or does the increase in talent lift all boats? What separates a Stamkos from a Nolan Patrick?

Is it all about not having the drive to be the best or being buried on a crap team?

- Flyers_01


I think you need to get multiple solid talents if not generational. One of those talents normally has to be a very good tender. Ov has backstrom and carlson. Holtby got it done one year and was above average.

As well, It’s not basketball you need to surround the talent with solid players. And you can have generational talent but need a certain level of tending.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jan 24 @ 6:56 PM ET
Not that it makes things any better but the current 11 game slide is a winless streak and not a losing streak due to the OTL\SOL according to Pierre LeBrun.

Flyers record for losing streak is at 9 games, winless streak is 12 games

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

theyve played 11 games. There are only 2 outcomes: winning or losing. They havent won any of the 11, ie theyve lost. Therefore, its a losing streak
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 6:57 PM ET
It’s just the worst organization in hockey. Nothing to do with the tanking
- ClaudeFather

I would take a team with McDavid and Leon D over anything the Flyers have had since Lindros in all honesty. Edm just can’t draft for poop. At least the Flyers hit every once in a while.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 24 @ 6:59 PM ET
theyve played 11 games. There are only 2 outcomes: winning or losing. They havent won any of the 11, ie theyve lost. Therefore, its a losing streak
- THE BLACK HAND


Yeah. That’s splitting my hairs. We’ve been terrible.

As a side note, while I liked brodeur, I never liked that he was crowned as having the most wins ever by a goalie once the shoot out was introduced. So many of those wins came because of the fact that there were no ties. Needs to be put in context although he was great and had great stats.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 24 @ 7:07 PM ET
Hopefully Yandle gets applauded. It would be classless to boo his achievement.
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