So the 17 or so games in a row that they won mean nothing but the crap they’ve played since their Covid break completely defines the team? Yes, he sees things in their recent play, especially last night, that he really doesn’t like and uses as direct language as you can use. They go through periods of very strong play and periods where they just go to sleep. It worries him and he’s calling them out for
it.
- Canada Cup

This.

Wrong about what santard?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Day off for unacceptable name calling

Chycrun is this seasons new toy for some leafs fans.
- Fakepartofme

Or he is a player that is obviously available and fits a need and in turn leaf fans talk about it because this is a hockey forum.

Classic fake line though.

Day off for unacceptable name calling
- Dozzer

Where were you when he told me to drown myself?

Day off for unacceptable name calling
- Dozzer

Damn I would have lost an over/under bet on an AA ban, it took longer than I thought.

Or he is a player that is obviously available and fits a need and in turn leaf fans talk about it because this is a hockey forum.

Classic fake line though.
- Santo_44

He doesn’t fit our biggest need which is in the right side but all the other kids are getting Chycruns.

We should get this Orr kid.

I’ve had the impression that D tend to play in the left or right sides. Maybe some are equally good on both. From everything I understood, Chychrun plays left D. Maybe he can move to his off side and lose x% but most likely if we’re going to pay a poopload for a guy it’s to play him where he’s best suited.

So unless one of those fantasy trades happens to make Muzzin disappear, our left side is Rielly, Muzzin and Chycrun and Sandin is back to the Marlies. We’re still left with Holl and no one or $ to replace him with on the right. It also (frank)s Sandin’s development and leaves me with the question of how two years from now Sandin compares to this guy (age difference).

And all of this is before finding money when paying for Jack, Rielly, etc.

I’m sure we could pay as much as anyone else but I can’t see the logic.
- Canada Cup

Just for fun - google (or choose another search) greatest NHL defensemen of all time. Out of the top 50 less than four would be RHD. If Leafs were to add a dman, whether he shoots right or left would fall in the category of I don't give a (frank). If he has enough talent learn to play from either side. Our only RHD are Liljegren and Holl and we should be looking to move Holl because he is terrible. Let Liljegren make his mistakes, he is worth the investment IMO.

Leafs have less cap space and prospects than several other contenders that would be interested in this player.

Where were you when he told me to drown myself?
- Santo_44

He’s become a very insulting poster so he no longer gets any rope. Sorry I missed him telling you to drown… not surprised he said something like that however.

More on the "kicking motion" consistency... or lack thereof.

https://twitter.com/twist.../1484003182107844612?s=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV7AWS52C_U&t=1s

etc.

(frank)ing disgraceful.
- mjones242

Like I said earlier, it's 100% a coin flip if they allow or disallow it. Pathetic.

Which further proves that all kicks should be disallowed.

Lol yeah man they WON two of those games and lost one in OT...man I wish that qualified as a wreck for the Leafs, that would be sweet.

The only team those results are a wreck for is the Team Canada with NHL players, or a USA Basketball Dream Team, where you legit should never trail in a game all tournament.
- Zezel

All those games were on the road against top teams, with the Leafs missing several regulars.

Just for fun - google (or choose another search) greatest NHL defensemen of all time. Out of the top 50 less than four would be RHD. If Leafs were to add a dman, whether he shoots right or left would fall in the category of I don't give a (frank). If he has enough talent learn to play from either side. Our only RHD are Liljegren and Holl and we should be looking to move Holl because he is terrible. Let Liljegren make his mistakes, he is worth the investment IMO.

Leafs have less cap space and prospects than several other contenders that would be interested in this player.
- winsix

Interesting stat. I'm assuming that's because most of those players would be Canadian, and most Canadian hockey players shoot left, for reasons I've never understood. I believe it's the other way around in some countries.

I know I was the only righty on my teams as a kid, which sucked when I broke a stick.

I'm a RHD, I should have been a hockey unicorn.

Just for fun - google (or choose another search) greatest NHL defensemen of all time. Out of the top 50 less than four would be RHD. If Leafs were to add a dman, whether he shoots right or left would fall in the category of I don't give a (frank). If he has enough talent learn to play from either side. Our only RHD are Liljegren and Holl and we should be looking to move Holl because he is terrible. Let Liljegren make his mistakes, he is worth the investment IMO.

Leafs have less cap space and prospects than several other contenders that would be interested in this player.
- winsix

I don’t care about the greatest defensemen of all time. We trading for a LHD who pays that side because he’s better there. We don’t have a pressing need on that side. We would be bidding against teams that do have a pressing need on that side and we don’t have the money to pay for him.

Maybe I’m underestimating just how good he is but he’s not a fit and we can’t afford to pay for non-fits.

All those games were on the road against top teams, with the Leafs missing several regulars.
- winsix

I know right, what a catastrophe.

Doesn’t really matter. Value is within projections and age for prospects. An 18 and 19 year old....if they were in the NHL then they wouldn’t be discussed in the trade for Chychrun because they would be more valuable to the leafs.
- Santo_44

Plus, I feel like that's exactly what Arizona would (should) be looking for in a trade. Top prospects and 1st round picks.

They suck and are gonna continue to suck so getting a whole wack of young guys that can grow together is what they should want.

Doesn't really matter what Chychrun is worth, its more important to understand what a team is willing to pay to get him in a trade. Larsson for Hall was a deal that was made. It could be called a terrible deal, but it happened. Teams have been over paying for D-men for many years. Doubt Chychrun is moved for anything less than a top six forward plus.
- winsix

I mean, Hall for Larsson only happened because a terrible GM went to one team and said "yo?".

If he even attempted to shop around he'd have gotten 20x the return for Hall.

I don’t care about the greatest defensemen of all time. We trading for a LHD who pays that side because he’s better there. We don’t have a pressing need on that side. We would be bidding against teams that do have a pressing need on that side and we don’t have the money to pay for him.

Maybe I’m underestimating just how good he is but he’s not a fit and we can’t afford to pay for non-fits.
- Canada Cup

He's a LHD because he shoots left as the majority of hockey defensemen do. It has little bearing on his ability to play the right side, which he has in the past. He would be a fit if the Leafs had the assets or cap space. Maybe you are seriously overvaluing RHD vs LHD as a must have. Anyway, I doubt the Leafs are serious players once Arizona reveals the asking price.

I mean, Hall for Larsson only happened because a terrible GM went to one team and said "yo?".

If he even attempted to shop around he'd have gotten 20x the return for Hall.
- GreatGigInTheSky

While true, as someone that has significant experience in negotiation, something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. We might consider that price ridiculous, but if someone is willing to pay $11 Million for a painting that looks like it could have been created by a four year old with limited art talent, then it is worth $11 Million.

He's a LHD because he shoots left as the majority of hockey defensemen do. It has little bearing on his ability to play the right side, which he has in the past. He would be a fit if the Leafs had the assets or cap space. Maybe you are seriously overvaluing RHD vs LHD as a must have. Anyway, I doubt the Leafs are serious players once Arizona reveals the asking price.
- winsix

It’s a little closer than you think… roughly 40% righties and 60% lefties

And the two time cup champs are 3 lefties on the left and 3 righties on the right

Makes a bigger difference than you think

Interesting stat. I'm assuming that's because most of those players would be Canadian, and most Canadian hockey players shoot left, for reasons I've never understood. I believe it's the other way around in some countries.

I know I was the only righty on my teams as a kid, which sucked when I broke a stick.

I'm a RHD, I should have been a hockey unicorn.
- Zezel

I'm a righty and much much prefer playing the left side, whether it be LW or D.

So I'd be of no use to the Leafs.

While true, as someone that has significant experience in negotiation, something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. We might consider that price ridiculous, but if someone is willing to pay $11 Million for a painting that looks like it could have been created by a four year old with limited art talent, then it is worth $11 Million.
- winsix

There's also a reason why another Hall for Larsson trade hasn't happened. Because it's ridiculous.

I know it's completely beside the point but anyone who would pay that obscene amount of money for a painting is an idiot. "Art" has maybe the most ridiculous markup in the world and I'm including diamonds in that.

I'm a righty and much much prefer playing the left side, whether it be LW or D.

So I'd be of no use to the Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I like to be on my off wing on offense for sure

Stanley for Winterpeg just lost a really one-sided fight to a guy on Nashville 2 feet smaller than him.

Suck it, Stanley.

He's a LHD because he shoots left as the majority of hockey defensemen do. It has little bearing on his ability to play the right side, which he has in the past. He would be a fit if the Leafs had the assets or cap space. Maybe you are seriously overvaluing RHD vs LHD as a must have. Anyway, I doubt the Leafs are serious players once Arizona reveals the asking price.
- winsix

Both Muzzin and Rielly "experimented" on the right side very briefly when they first nabbed Muzzin ....and abandoned ship right away.

It's not easy anymore b/c from younger ages coaches have guys playing their "strong side". Not sure when it changed.

It's what makes guys like Brodie a little extra valuable ....willingness and experience to play the off side.

I think in the D zone it's not that important ...it's protecting the boards in the O zone that is probably the biggest challenge for these guys.

My favourite Leaf top4 was Ellett-Gill and Macount-Lefebvre .....all lefties. Pat Burns didn't mind.

Pat Quinn had Kaberle-McCabe ...L-L and Markov-Yushkevich L-R.

I think it's just been trending that way for the last 20 years.

Both Muzzin and Rielly "experimented" on the right side very briefly when they first nabbed Muzzin ....and abandoned ship right away.

It's not easy anymore b/c from younger ages coaches have guys playing their "strong side". Not sure when it changed.

It's what makes guys like Brodie a little extra valuable ....willingness and experience to play the off side.

I think in the D zone it's not that important ...it's protecting the boards in the O zone that is probably the biggest challenge for these guys.

My favourite Leaf top4 was Ellett-Gill and Macount-Lefebvre .....all lefties. Pat Burns didn't mind.

Pat Quinn had Kaberle-McCabe ...L-L and Markov-Yushkevich L-R.

I think it's just been trending that way for the last 20 years.
- The Law

I agree

All World dive by Stutzle.