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winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jan 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
Hope so, and couple that with any of his teammates with facial hair…. LL will just love that lol
- Dozzer


Interesting that the Habs will likely be eliminated from playoff qualification in February, it may be March before the Sens are eliminated.

If we take 97 points as the required number of points to get in, Montreal will be eliminated with 5 more losses, Ottawa will be eliminated with 13 more losses. Sadly, the Islanders are still 17 losses away from their tragic number.

Leafs will qualify if they win 23 or their remaining 45 games.

Good times.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
Pierre LeBrun
The Stanley Cup playoffs if they started today, based on points percentage:
@PierreVLeBrun
'Canes, M1 (.750) vs Caps, WC2 (.646)
Panthers, A1 (.738) vs Bruins, WC1 (.649)
Lightning, A2 (.720) vs Leafs, A3 (.689)
NYR, M2 (.700) vs. Pens, M3 (.679)


ho hum, just a 1st round matchup against the 2 time cup champs after the leafs (probably) put up the most points in team history.

maybe next year is our year!!!

I cant help but again harp on (cry) about how much of a missed op it was last season. this team
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jan 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
ho hum, just a 1st round matchup against the 2 time cup champs after the leafs (probably) put up the most points in team history.

maybe next year is our year!!!

I cant help but again harp on (cry) about how much of a missed op it was last season. this team

- senstroll



Maybe we have a chance against Tampa? They gotta be tired of always winning
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jan 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
I can see paradise by the dashboard light...
- bixll


winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jan 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
ho hum, just a 1st round matchup against the 2 time cup champs after the leafs (probably) put up the most points in team history.

maybe next year is our year!!!

I cant help but again harp on (cry) about how much of a missed op it was last season. this team

- senstroll



Should be fun, we know that at least one or two of the top 5 players on Tampa will be very well rested as they wait on LTIR to allow for several TDL acquisitions.
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jan 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
ho hum, just a 1st round matchup against the 2 time cup champs after the leafs (probably) put up the most points in team history.

maybe next year is our year!!!

I cant help but again harp on (cry) about how much of a missed op it was last season. this team

- senstroll

That’s probably why Keefe wants to win the division.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jan 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
They’ve been iffy the last few games. Hopefully they get it sorted because it’s nothing new when at this point of the season the games start getting tougher.
- Dozzer


First, you're absolutely right in my opinion that this is where the team starts to face adversity and needs to change gears and go with the flow of other teams who are pressing. This will be a test for them.

In the past several games, they haven't been all there - and not many teams have - with injuries and COVID, it starts to put pressure in other areas - whether it's missing Marner, Holl, Muzzin, Kase, Engvall, etc. - it forces different people up or down the lineup and changes the chemistry and the matchups.

They won't be all healthy in the playoffs either, so they have to learn to adapt to these situations and roll with them, but if we want to be objective about the Leafs since the start of January?

Jan 1: Demolished Ottawa 6-0. The score wasn't close, and neither was the game. The Leafs dominated that game from start to finish.

Jan 5: Beat Edmonton 4-2. The Leafs controlled most of the game, but given that Edmonton didn't have McDavid, you would have liked to see more control from Toronto, fewer shots and HD chances given up, but they were still the noticeably better team.

Jan 8: Lost to Colorado 5-4. Let's face it, if Kuemper doesn't poop the bed, this one looks way worse. Colorado is on a tear, and they played like it. We had a big lead that we didn't deserve, and as is the way of the Leaf, the Hockey Gods ensured that their lack of effort was paid back. Lucky to get a point.

Jan 11: Beat Vegas 4-3. It was a close game. We probably didn't really deserve to win. I think Vegas outplayed us and physically imposed themselves in some areas. It was one of the games that exposed the weakness on the back-end.

Jan 12: Lose to Phoenix 2-1. Seriously. We should have won this game 6 or 7 to 2. There were screens. There were deflections. I saw us lamenting how we weren't going to the blue paint and taking away his eyes, but we were. Some games it just doesn't work out. Vejmelka, I believe his name is, deserves full marks for that game. I don't even think it's fair to call out Mrazek, because he was what you want him to be.

Jan 15: Beat St. Louis 6-5. We were the better team. We deserved the win. Goaltending was not good on either side. Certainly at times the Blues got physical - not hitting, but just using size and strength - and imposed themselves in places and that definitely helped them.

Jan 19: Lose to Rangers 6-3. The world has ended, and the wheels have come off. This one is funny because in many ways the Leafs had the opportunities to win this game similarly to the Blues game, but Shesterkin was capable and stopped it from happening. The Rangers, like the Blues, had their big bodies push through the D, and push around the forwards and the Leafs didn't compete physically back.

So if you look at that run, their play should have been 5-2 - they controlled the play and controlled the chances and had a few breakdowns here and there, but some good goaltending showed up and it changes things a bit. But there is one thing that's consistent and it's why the narrative comes back at us over and over: When other teams use their physical size and strength (it doesn't even have to be hitting - just pushing through smaller players, like Reaves did), the Leafs are inadequate to control that play. The Blues, Knights, and Rangers all took advantage of it in the past 10 days.

From last nights' conversation - Holl is not as good as Sandin or Liljegren, we can agree, but Holl is big and he can stifle a big body pushing through. Sandin and Liljegren simply can't. It's why Holl can be effective in a shut down role. It's why Muzzin typically is. Not having Holl and Muzzin against the Rangers definitely hurt us.

But it creates some visibility and emphasis and needing to get someone with strength and size for the playoffs.


Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jan 21 @ 11:41 AM ET
ho hum, just a 1st round matchup against the 2 time cup champs after the leafs (probably) put up the most points in team history.

maybe next year is our year!!!

I cant help but again harp on (cry) about how much of a missed op it was last season. this team

- senstroll


To be fair, looking at that top 8.

Not alot of weak teams to feed off on.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jan 21 @ 11:42 AM ET
First, you're absolutely right in my opinion that this is where the team starts to face adversity and needs to change gears and go with the flow of other teams who are pressing. This will be a test for them.

In the past several games, they haven't been all there - and not many teams have - with injuries and COVID, it starts to put pressure in other areas - whether it's missing Marner, Holl, Muzzin, Kase, Engvall, etc. - it forces different people up or down the lineup and changes the chemistry and the matchups.

They won't be all healthy in the playoffs either, so they have to learn to adapt to these situations and roll with them, but if we want to be objective about the Leafs since the start of January?

Jan 1: Demolished Ottawa 6-0. The score wasn't close, and neither was the game. The Leafs dominated that game from start to finish.

Jan 5: Beat Edmonton 4-2. The Leafs controlled most of the game, but given that Edmonton didn't have McDavid, you would have liked to see more control from Toronto, fewer shots and HD chances given up, but they were still the noticeably better team.

Jan 8: Lost to Colorado 5-4. Let's face it, if Kuemper doesn't poop the bed, this one looks way worse. Colorado is on a tear, and they played like it. We had a big lead that we didn't deserve, and as is the way of the Leaf, the Hockey Gods ensured that their lack of effort was paid back. Lucky to get a point.

Jan 11: Beat Vegas 4-3. It was a close game. We probably didn't really deserve to win. I think Vegas outplayed us and physically imposed themselves in some areas. It was one of the games that exposed the weakness on the back-end.

Jan 12: Lose to Phoenix 2-1. Seriously. We should have won this game 6 or 7 to 2. There were screens. There were deflections. I saw us lamenting how we weren't going to the blue paint and taking away his eyes, but we were. Some games it just doesn't work out. Vejmelka, I believe his name is, deserves full marks for that game. I don't even think it's fair to call out Mrazek, because he was what you want him to be.

Jan 15: Beat St. Louis 6-5. We were the better team. We deserved the win. Goaltending was not good on either side. Certainly at times the Blues got physical - not hitting, but just using size and strength - and imposed themselves in places and that definitely helped them.

Jan 19: Lose to Rangers 6-3. The world has ended, and the wheels have come off. This one is funny because in many ways the Leafs had the opportunities to win this game similarly to the Blues game, but Shesterkin was capable and stopped it from happening. The Rangers, like the Blues, had their big bodies push through the D, and push around the forwards and the Leafs didn't compete physically back.

So if you look at that run, their play should have been 5-2 - they controlled the play and controlled the chances and had a few breakdowns here and there, but some good goaltending showed up and it changes things a bit. But there is one thing that's consistent and it's why the narrative comes back at us over and over: When other teams use their physical size and strength (it doesn't even have to be hitting - just pushing through smaller players, like Reaves did), the Leafs are inadequate to control that play. The Blues, Knights, and Rangers all took advantage of it in the past 10 days.

From last nights' conversation - Holl is not as good as Sandin or Liljegren, we can agree, but Holl is big and he can stifle a big body pushing through. Sandin and Liljegren simply can't. It's why Holl can be effective in a shut down role. It's why Muzzin typically is. Not having Holl and Muzzin against the Rangers definitely hurt us.

But it creates some visibility and emphasis and needing to get someone with strength and size for the playoffs.

- Monkeypunk


My boy Ben Chiarot would help.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jan 21 @ 11:42 AM ET
It was definitely the pollen:

https://twitter.com/CBSLA...tatus/1484279564423483395

- Atomic Wedgie


I don't want to brag, but that's how I play GTA.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 21 @ 11:43 AM ET
That’s probably why Keefe wants to win the division.
- bryant


I want to win lotto max
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jan 21 @ 11:45 AM ET
My boy Ben Chiarot would help.
- Scabeh


He absolutely would. I mean, I hate Ristolainen, but if holding isn't called in the playoffs, then he can do what he's good at: Be large, stand still, and hold people. You need a blend of puck movers offset with some strength. You don't even need to be mean. You just need to be strong enough to not be overwhelmed every time someone over 200lbs decides to push through you.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 21 @ 11:45 AM ET
To be fair, looking at that top 8.

Not alot of weak teams to feed off on.

- Scabeh


this is true

although, I think my #1 choice to not play is TB...so we will see
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jan 21 @ 11:46 AM ET
this is true

although, I think my #1 choice to not play is TB...so we will see

- senstroll


Oh you want to avoid these bastards at all costs for sure.

They are weaker than they were.... but they are still a formidable hockey team.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 21 @ 11:47 AM ET
My boy Ben Chiarot would help.
- Scabeh


gross

looking at the Habs there is a few players I wouldn't mind, but dont want the contract that comes with them
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jan 21 @ 11:48 AM ET
First, you're absolutely right in my opinion that this is where the team starts to face adversity and needs to change gears and go with the flow of other teams who are pressing. This will be a test for them.

In the past several games, they haven't been all there - and not many teams have - with injuries and COVID, it starts to put pressure in other areas - whether it's missing Marner, Holl, Muzzin, Kase, Engvall, etc. - it forces different people up or down the lineup and changes the chemistry and the matchups.

They won't be all healthy in the playoffs either, so they have to learn to adapt to these situations and roll with them, but if we want to be objective about the Leafs since the start of January?

Jan 1: Demolished Ottawa 6-0. The score wasn't close, and neither was the game. The Leafs dominated that game from start to finish.

Jan 5: Beat Edmonton 4-2. The Leafs controlled most of the game, but given that Edmonton didn't have McDavid, you would have liked to see more control from Toronto, fewer shots and HD chances given up, but they were still the noticeably better team.

Jan 8: Lost to Colorado 5-4. Let's face it, if Kuemper doesn't poop the bed, this one looks way worse. Colorado is on a tear, and they played like it. We had a big lead that we didn't deserve, and as is the way of the Leaf, the Hockey Gods ensured that their lack of effort was paid back. Lucky to get a point.

Jan 11: Beat Vegas 4-3. It was a close game. We probably didn't really deserve to win. I think Vegas outplayed us and physically imposed themselves in some areas. It was one of the games that exposed the weakness on the back-end.

Jan 12: Lose to Phoenix 2-1. Seriously. We should have won this game 6 or 7 to 2. There were screens. There were deflections. I saw us lamenting how we weren't going to the blue paint and taking away his eyes, but we were. Some games it just doesn't work out. Vejmelka, I believe his name is, deserves full marks for that game. I don't even think it's fair to call out Mrazek, because he was what you want him to be.

Jan 15: Beat St. Louis 6-5. We were the better team. We deserved the win. Goaltending was not good on either side. Certainly at times the Blues got physical - not hitting, but just using size and strength - and imposed themselves in places and that definitely helped them.

Jan 19: Lose to Rangers 6-3. The world has ended, and the wheels have come off. This one is funny because in many ways the Leafs had the opportunities to win this game similarly to the Blues game, but Shesterkin was capable and stopped it from happening. The Rangers, like the Blues, had their big bodies push through the D, and push around the forwards and the Leafs didn't compete physically back.

So if you look at that run, their play should have been 5-2 - they controlled the play and controlled the chances and had a few breakdowns here and there, but some good goaltending showed up and it changes things a bit. But there is one thing that's consistent and it's why the narrative comes back at us over and over: When other teams use their physical size and strength (it doesn't even have to be hitting - just pushing through smaller players, like Reaves did), the Leafs are inadequate to control that play. The Blues, Knights, and Rangers all took advantage of it in the past 10 days.

From last nights' conversation - Holl is not as good as Sandin or Liljegren, we can agree, but Holl is big and he can stifle a big body pushing through. Sandin and Liljegren simply can't. It's why Holl can be effective in a shut down role. It's why Muzzin typically is. Not having Holl and Muzzin against the Rangers definitely hurt us.

But it creates some visibility and emphasis and needing to get someone with strength and size for the playoffs.

- Monkeypunk


The bolded highly depends on what aspect of defensive play you’re commenting on… moving the puck, positioning, and skating sure, but shutting the opposition offence down and hitting guys even if it’s just to bump them off the puck it’s Holl. When it comes to players like Holl you can see the opposition offence pass the puck or dump it a whole lot more than the one on one’s they’ll attempt against Sandin on Liljegren
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jan 21 @ 11:48 AM ET
gross

looking at the Habs there is a few players I wouldn't mind, but dont want the contract that comes with them

- senstroll


Bad contracts don't matter if you win.

Sadly, we didn't win.... we just came close.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jan 21 @ 11:51 AM ET
I wonder who the oilers will get for a goalie…

I mean they have to get one in the next couple days here.

Mrazek for oilers 1st

- bryant


I like it.

They'll lottery protect it so we won't get it this season but next season, if/when Edmonton fails again; Connor Bedard female doges!
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jan 21 @ 11:55 AM ET
The bolded highly depends on what aspect of defensive play you’re commenting on… moving the puck, positioning, and skating sure, but shutting the opposition offence down and hitting guys even if it’s just to bump them off the puck it’s Holl. When it comes to players like Holl you can see the opposition offence pass the puck or dump it a whole lot more than the one on one’s they’ll attempt against Sandin on Liljegren
- Dozzer



I'd already babbled so much I didn't want to keep expounding at that point - but that's basically what I was saying, too. Sometimes size is all you need. Liljegren and Sandin both think and process the game faster and typically make faster and more confident decisions with the puck. They are puck moving guys, so that's their thing. Because neither is particularly big, most of their defensive decisions would logically rely on body position to try and get their stick to puck while creating a physical obstruction to the net. The problem is that when I watch a lot of these guys, the angle they take is more stick than body allowing for large guys to just plow through them. Holl is a guy who is slower, so that's a problem, but in terms of playing a guy down low, will insert himself physically in the way which helps against guys like Reaves.

Reaves is great at what he does, but what we does isn't typically score goals. If you physically get in his way, you have a decent chance of drawing a penalty. If you just dangle in a poke check, you're letting a big physical guy plow past your twig and grind to the net. Lucic, Bertuzzi, and others without a ton of a skill before Reaves have all made great livings off of the same thing.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jan 21 @ 11:56 AM ET
I want to win lotto max
- senstroll


Sorry, I already called dibs.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jan 21 @ 11:58 AM ET
Sorry, I already called dibs.
- GreatGigInTheSky


how many years and how many dollars on lottery tickets and this is all I had to do?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jan 21 @ 11:58 AM ET
ho hum, just a 1st round matchup against the 2 time cup champs after the leafs (probably) put up the most points in team history.

maybe next year is our year!!!

I cant help but again harp on (cry) about how much of a missed op it was last season. this team

- senstroll

the season isnt even half over yet
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jan 21 @ 12:00 PM ET
So are the Oilers fans still thanking the Leafs for Hyman and loving Ceci/Barrie?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jan 21 @ 12:03 PM ET
So are the Oilers fans still thanking the Leafs for Hyman and loving Ceci/Barrie?
- Archaic

I'll never understand the Ceci signing.
Barrie, I get it...needed a puck moving dman. He's on for 40pts, not bad.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jan 21 @ 12:04 PM ET
Luke Schenn reunion?

Dermott for Schenn and a pick

Mirtle suggests something like this happening soon
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