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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 19 @ 8:21 AM ET
Hopefully this is the day CC signs his 4 year extension.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 19 @ 8:22 AM ET
Last nights shootout fits this team to the letter.

They have been the worst in the NHL since the inception of the shootout. Never improve, just accept failure, shrug their shoulders and on to the next embarrassment.

Don't know how many times it has to be said but this franchise is a dumpster fire from top to bottom.
Elon Musk will have people on Mars before this franchise wins.

What's next? Maybe a dog can take a steaming dump on the logo. Oh wait.....

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 19 @ 8:24 AM ET
Last nights shootout fits this team to the letter.

They have been the worst in the NHL since the inception of the shootout. Never improve, just accept failure, shrug their shoulders and on to the next embarrassment.

Don't know how many times it has to be said but this franchise is a dumpster fire from top to bottom.
Elon Musk will have people on Mars before this franchise wins.

What's next? Maybe a dog can take a steaming dump on the logo. Oh wait.....

- PLindbergh31

Dave Brown and Lappy are probably the shootout development coaches.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 19 @ 8:27 AM ET
Dave Brown and Lappy are probably the shootout development coaches.
- hello it's me 2050


Ha! How's player development working out with Chris Stewart?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 19 @ 8:27 AM ET
The Flyers have not scored a shootout goal this season ... let that sink in for a moment!
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jan 19 @ 8:28 AM ET
Article said he is the flyers ECHL Gm. I’ll try and find it.
- Angus4444


If the Flyers plan on promoting him to GM in the near future, at this point I’m all for it. Joe Sakic and Stevie Y have worked out well as former players turned GM. If there’s going to be a rebuild, it shouldn’t happen with Fletcher.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 19 @ 8:30 AM ET
If the Flyers plan on promoting him to GM in the near future, at this point I’m all for it. Joe Sakic and Stevie Y have worked out well as former players turned GM. If there’s going to be a rebuild, it shouldn’t happen with Fletcher.
- Sublime55

I said this yesterday, I Flyers need more voices in their executive leadership.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 19 @ 8:30 AM ET
Ha! How's player development working out with Chris Stewart?
- PLindbergh31

The developmental staff is an even bigger disgrace than the medical/training and coaching staffs. Lappy, Biceps, Brown, Smith, ffs if they have to keep hiring ex players could they not add a few who were actually skilled?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 19 @ 8:32 AM ET
If the Flyers plan on promoting him to GM in the near future, at this point I’m all for it. Joe Sakic and Stevie Y have worked out well as former players turned GM. If there’s going to be a rebuild, it shouldn’t happen with Fletcher.
- Sublime55


This is a big trade deadline. They have to gain some future assets. Don't want Fletcher having anything to do with that. He should have been fired already. They won't even get that right. He will be here at the deadline get his lunch eaten by competent GM's.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 19 @ 8:33 AM ET
So the shootout is considered a skills competition. The Flyers are 0 for the season after going 0 for 9 last night. Does anything else really need to be said?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 19 @ 8:33 AM ET
The developmental staff is an even bigger disgrace than the medical/training and coaching staffs. Lappy, Biceps, Brown, Smith, ffs if they have to keep hiring ex players could they not add a few who were actually skilled?
- BiggE


It's a train wreck from Dave Scott to the guy scrubbing the poopters at the WFC.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 19 @ 8:36 AM ET
This is a big trade deadline. They have to gain some future assets. Don't want Fletcher having anything to do with that. He should have been fired already. They won't even get that right. He will be here at the deadline get his lunch eaten by competent GM's.
- PLindbergh31
I'm surprised the Flyers aren't grooming Dave Brown to be their next GM. Perhaps Lappy can be asst. GM. Shhhhhhhh....better not give them any ideas. pffffffft.......
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 19 @ 8:41 AM ET
Hire Danny B immediately and let’s burn this thing to the ground . Let him rebuild this thing
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 19 @ 8:49 AM ET
Hire Danny B immediately and let’s burn this thing to the ground . Let him rebuild this thing
- ClaudeFather



Cue the "good old boy" argument once again if that happened.
dramado
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Paradise, NF
Joined: 03.16.2018

Jan 19 @ 8:51 AM ET
Good article on Briere's transition into management:

https://www.thefourthperi...ransition-of-danny-briere
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 19 @ 8:51 AM ET
Cue the "good old boy" argument once again if that happened.
- MBFlyerfan

Would that be wrong to say?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 19 @ 8:54 AM ET
“Paul gave me the chance to follow him; to learn what he was doing as Team President,” said Briere. “To see the ins and outs on a daily basis – what he was up to.

Danny boy is now excluded from consideration !!!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 19 @ 8:55 AM ET
Would that be wrong to say?
- hello it's me 2050



I don't know, if he is qualified and good at what he does would it matter where he was before he took the job?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jan 19 @ 8:56 AM ET
“Paul gave me the chance to follow him; to learn what he was doing as Team President,” said Briere. “To see the ins and outs on a daily basis – what he was up to.

Danny boy is now excluded from consideration !!!

- hello it's me 2050

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 19 @ 9:04 AM ET
“Paul gave me the chance to follow him; to learn what he was doing as Team President,” said Briere. “To see the ins and outs on a daily basis – what he was up to.

Danny boy is now excluded from consideration !!!

- hello it's me 2050


As bad as Holmgren was, I think Fletcher might be worse.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 19 @ 9:09 AM ET
I don't know, if he is qualified and good at what he does would it matter where he was before he took the job?
- MBFlyerfan

Yes imo as he clearly has been trained by the flyers management.

They need fresh ideas and everything else that goes with it. Not saying Danny doesn't have that just rather go in another direction. Seems like he has been involved to some extent in terms of development,
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 19 @ 9:09 AM ET
As bad as Holmgren was, I think Fletcher might be worse.
- PLindbergh31

No doubt
At least Holmgren built a team that reached a Cup final. Fletcher’s teams have never got close to a Cup.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jan 19 @ 9:12 AM ET
This is a big trade deadline. They have to gain some future assets. Don't want Fletcher having anything to do with that. He should have been fired already. They won't even get that right. He will be here at the deadline get his lunch eaten by competent GM's.
- PLindbergh31

I doesn’t matter until this team fixes how they draft. They need a #1 scoring center and a #1 defenseman. A team can tank their way to a #1 center even though the Flyers won’t do it. I am tired of people only pointing out how tanking doesn’t work because of Buffalo and conveniently leaving out Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA, Washington and Tampa Bay, the winners of 11 of the last 13 Stanley Cups, which had massive contributions from top 5 picks. You can put St Louis in there with Pietrangelo to make it 12 out of 13. It seems it indisputable that top picks help win Stanley Cups but I guess the Flyers will automatically become Buffalo. Judging by their last two 2nd overall picks it may be true.

A #1 defenseman can be had outside of top picks but scouts have to recognize the talent and the Flyers haven’t been able to do it. And it’s not just defensemen. Tampa Bay had found two better centers in the 3rd round during Hextall’s time as GM then the Flyers did with multiple first round picks. Yes there is luck there but if it’s completely luck based, why hasn’t it happened to the Flyers since Giroux in 2006? Luck should go around at some point. The Flyers have done a good job at finding middle of lineup players but without the top line players, which for the most part now can no longer be had via trade or free agency in their prime, they will just be trapped in the mediocre middle.

Fix the scouting or expect to be having the same old conversations 10 years from now.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 19 @ 9:17 AM ET
I doesn’t matter until this team fixes how they draft. They need a #1 scoring center and a #1 defenseman. A team can tank their way to a #1 center even though the Flyers won’t do it. I am tired of people only pointing out how tanking doesn’t work because of Buffalo and conveniently leaving out Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA, Washington and Tampa Bay, the winners of 11 of the last 13 Stanley Cups, which had massive contributions from top 5 picks. You can put St Louis in there with Pietrangelo to make it 12 out of 13. It seems it indisputable that top picks help win Stanley Cups but I guess the Flyers will automatically become Buffalo. Judging by their last two 2nd overall picks it may be true.

A #1 defenseman can be had outside of top picks but scouts have to recognize the talent and the Flyers haven’t been able to do it. And it’s not just defensemen. Tampa Bay had found two better centers in the 3rd round during Hextall’s time as GM then the Flyers did with multiple first round picks. Yes there is luck there but if it’s completely luck based, why hasn’t it happened to the Flyers since Giroux in 2006? Luck should go around at some point. The Flyers have done a good job at finding middle of lineup players but without the top line players, which for the most part now can no longer be had via trade or free agency in their prime, they will just be trapped in the mediocre middle.

Fix the scouting or expect to be having the same old conversations 10 years from now.

- psuhockey

there are several parts to tanking.

The first one is to collect as many high picks as possible. Buffalo and Edmonton were successful in that dept. What you then do after is another part of the process.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jan 19 @ 9:21 AM ET
No doubt
At least Holmgren built a team that reached a Cup final. Fletcher’s teams have never got close to a Cup.

- BiggE


Holmgren made really good trades. He was not good at drafting or contracts.
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