Maybe when DeHaan and/or Gus are traded they recall Galvas. When Strome, Dach or Connolly are back they send Entwistle to the Rock.
I imagine deHaan is the first to go, followed by Strome. Then maybe Kubalik and Fleury. But the Hawks will wait to see if the offers get better or worse closer to the TDL.
- Ztra

Any team who has scouted the Hawks will not give up anything for Gus, and at the most you may get a low round pick for DeHaan. Gus while slightly better defensively than in the past, is still more often than not, horrible in his own end and other than one season that now is being proven to be a statistical anomaly, he is not that good offensively either. DeHaan despite all the hype the broadcasters have been laying on him, has also just not been good. For a veteran, he processes the play slowly, makes poor reads, doesn't have much of a shot and turns the puck over way too often either with poor passes or panicked reactions to pressure.

Get what you can for them, but don't expect much if anything.

Any one know why we can't quote something with our first post of the day here? Think all of us are affected by this but either cut and paste or do a post like this so we can quote.
- Popsghostly

If you actually exit out and come back in you can then quote.

If you actually exit out and come back in you can then quote.
- TheTrob

Thanks Trob. Years of wondering...

If you actually exit out and come back in you can then quote.
- TheTrob

You can also hit the link to the thread at the top of the page, then you should be able to use the quote feature.

Hope not, wasn’t Ralph Krueger a big soccer executive before becoming Buffalo’s head coach?
- LAHawk

That's what they said. At least that's what the press said about the hiring of the soccer gurus.

My own thought is that it is disturbing that Rocky didn't have a pre-existing list of candidates for President and GM. Having a caretaker government for a TDL and potentially a draft and free agency period is no bueno, imo.

You can also hit the link to the thread at the top of the page, then you should be able to use the quote feature.
- powerenforcer

Also, there's a link to the comments at the top and bottom of Theo's articles. Use the top one, then quotes will work. At least it does for me.

Any one know why we can't quote something with our first post of the day here? Think all of us are affected by this but either cut and paste or do a post like this so we can quote.
- Popsghostly

Bettman hates the Hawks so much that he makes their fans wait until the afternoon to conveniently post on rumor sites.

Any team who has scouted the Hawks will not give up anything for Gus, and at the most you may get a low round pick for DeHaan. Gus while slightly better defensively than in the past, is still more often than not, horrible in his own end and other than one season that now is being proven to be a statistical anomaly, he is not that good offensively either. DeHaan despite all the hype the broadcasters have been laying on him, has also just not been good. For a veteran, he processes the play slowly, makes poor reads, doesn't have much of a shot and turns the puck over way too often either with poor passes or panicked reactions to pressure.

Get what you can for them, but don't expect much if anything.
- TheTrob

For the most part you are right here, but it will all depend on what is available in the market at the time. If there are few defensive D-men available, de Haan could bring quite a bit back. All those blocks that he accumulates look like gold to GM's.

Bettman hates the Hawks so much that he makes their fans wait until the afternoon to conveniently post on rumor sites.
- Chunk

Good one Chunk. Yeah Bettman will have it so the Hawks end up with the 3rd pick this year too, maximizing Columbus' return on the Jones trade.

Good one Chunk. Yeah Bettman will have it so the Hawks end up with the 3rd pick this year too, maximizing Columbus' return on the Jones trade.
- Popsghostly

And what happens if that is the case, Just random luck?

But now that is out in the open it will not happen.

And what happens if that is the case, Just random luck?

But now that is out in the open it will not happen.
- powerenforcer

Hey, look at that. Progress.

NEWS: Sources tell @DailyFaceoff that #NHL will no longer test asymptomatic players and staff following the All-Star break, provided Covid-19 rates continue to decline around the league.

Testing will only then be for cross-border travel (as required) and if symptoms arise.

Nazem Kadri won the Central Division last-man-in All-Star vote, deservedly. Seth Jones did not.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...after-all-star-break.html

Thank goodness!

Cross-border travel will still require testing.

Hope not, wasn’t Ralph Krueger a big soccer executive before becoming Buffalo’s head coach?
- LAHawk

He coached in Germany and the NHL before the job with Southy (as the director / chairman of the club) and then came back to the NHL and was then fired.

There is a lot in professional sports that is pretty similar. Having a good organizational structure, good facilities, ancillary staff like trainers, doctors and that crap is pretty universal.

The biggest thing that sets hockey apart is that there is a hard cap and much of the revenue is dependent on ticket sales rather than sponsorships and TV rights. Teams can't just spend and teams can't just unload guys for meaningful assets.

Ideally, you'd want someone out of the Tampa, Carolina, Colorado or even Vegas org to come over and help rebuild the front office into something that scouts and evaluates well so that the right veterans are targeted and the best talent is drafted.

Only Tampa has won a cup but the other 3 have done an excellent job icing fun hockey teams that are consistently in contention.

I don't think they can do a lot and they shouldn't do a lot until they finish their re-org.

And what happens if that is the case, Just random luck?

But now that is out in the open it will not happen.
- powerenforcer

So, just to be sure we have it right. There is a mass conspiracy against the Hawks, perpetuated by Bettman, though some could probably trace it back to the Lysiak incident. Bettman employs a large staff of people to scour all Hockey blogs, message boards, tweets, facebook and other posts for theories and information and makes his decisions based on that. So.....logically.....if no one had broached the subject of the Hawks getting the 3rd pick, thus maximizing the return for CLB, it would have happened, but now that it is on record, Bettman can't show any type of perceived impropriety, so the lottery can happen organically without his manipulation.

Got it, thanks.

Debrincat should net some assets. Though I suspect it is largely the same group in place that thought trading Panarin for Saad was anywhere near a good idea so does anyone really want them to do anything other than move surplus for picks?

Murphy is certainly movable but can this group get a first or a pair of seconds for him?

Without any type of plan or strategy in place right now can you really justify moving any asset that is cost controlled for a decent term?

Flipping expiring contracts like de Haan or Fluery seems obviously necessary and pretty idiot proof but you never know.

While it would be nice to clean house - the group in place is the same group that's been working with Bowman the last few years (we know its a committee over there not a dictatorship) and it isn't like they've made a whole lot of amazing decisions.

I'd like to see the German kid in the NHL just so that there is something to watch this year, and I'll buy that they don't want to burn a year of ELC vs him not being ready or whatever nonsense that is - he's been ready since day one, but other than that not a whole lot of point in watching the games.

For the most part you are right here, but it will all depend on what is available in the market at the time. If there are few defensive D-men available, de Haan could bring quite a bit back. All those blocks that he accumulates look like gold to GM's.
- Chunk

There is a shortage of quality Dmen in the NHL. That is why you have so many teams without top pairing guys and a lot of teams with awful 3rd pairings.

Injuries and high demand could mean better returns for both. Let's hope it is a seller's market this trade deadline.

So, just to be sure we have it right. There is a mass conspiracy against the Hawks, perpetuated by Bettman, though some could probably trace it back to the Lysiak incident. Bettman employs a large staff of people to scour all Hockey blogs, message boards, tweets, facebook and other posts for theories and information and makes his decisions based on that. So.....logically.....if no one had broached the subject of the Hawks getting the 3rd pick, thus maximizing the return for CLB, it would have happened, but now that it is on record, Bettman can't show any type of perceived impropriety, so the lottery can happen organically without his manipulation.

Got it, thanks.
- TheTrob

Almost correct. The Hull situation was really the incident that started it all. Lysiak was just gas thrown on the fire.

Debrincat should net some assets. Though I suspect it is largely the same group in place that thought trading Panarin for Saad was anywhere near a good idea so does anyone really want them to do anything other than move surplus for picks?

Murphy is certainly movable but can this group get a first or a pair of seconds for him?

Without any type of plan or strategy in place right now can you really justify moving any asset that is cost controlled for a decent term?

Flipping expiring contracts like de Haan or Fluery seems obviously necessary and pretty idiot proof but you never know.

While it would be nice to clean house - the group in place is the same group that's been working with Bowman the last few years (we know its a committee over there not a dictatorship) and it isn't like they've made a whole lot of amazing decisions.

I'd like to see the German kid in the NHL just so that there is something to watch this year, and I'll buy that they don't want to burn a year of ELC vs him not being ready or whatever nonsense that is - he's been ready since day one, but other than that not a whole lot of point in watching the games.
- fattybeef

You can't start with nothing, or more correctly, you can't tear it down to nothing. It doesn't work in the NHL and never has. As I posted on yesterdays blog, take EDM and Buffalo as examples. EDM has drafted in the top 10 picks in 11 of the last 15 drafts, including 3 first overall picks, a #3 and a #4. BUF has drafted in the top 10 for the last 9 years including 2 first overall and 2 second overall. BUF hasn't sniffed the playoffs in 12 years. EDM has made it twice in the last 15 and didn't advance out of the first round in one of those.

You need something to build around. You need to develop and add young talent to an established core. That core doesn't necessarily need to be superstars, but they do need to be solid NHL players. Not sure why you would move Kane unless like Keith he specifically asks for it, and definitely not ADB

Trading Fleury seems like a no brainer, but he has a NMC that lets him dictate whether he wants to go or not. Maybe someone takes a flyer on Strome, DeHaan, Gus, or whatever other flotsam/chum the Hawks want to go trolling with, but the return on most of them will be picks that wont see the NHL for a few years, or prospects whose ceiling may be the same as the current group of prospects in the organization.

For the most part you are right here, but it will all depend on what is available in the market at the time. If there are few defensive D-men available, de Haan could bring quite a bit back. All those blocks that he accumulates look like gold to GM's.
- Chunk

We can always hope, but reality is that DeHaan is on an expiring contract, has an injury history, and most of all has just not been very good. At this point he's probably a borderline 4th defenseman at best, more likely a 3rd pairing guy. If someone offers you a 3rd you take it and run like you stole something.

You can't start with nothing, or more correctly, you can't tear it down to nothing. It doesn't work in the NHL and never has. As I posted on yesterdays blog, take EDM and Buffalo as examples. EDM has drafted in the top 10 picks in 11 of the last 15 drafts, including 3 first overall picks, a #3 and a #4. BUF has drafted in the top 10 for the last 9 years including 2 first overall and 2 second overall. BUF hasn't sniffed the playoffs in 12 years. EDM has made it twice in the last 15 and didn't advance out of the first round in one of those.

You need something to build around. You need to develop and add young talent to an established core. That core doesn't necessarily need to be superstars, but they do need to be solid NHL players. Not sure why you would move Kane unless like Keith he specifically asks for it, and definitely not ADB

Trading Fleury seems like a no brainer, but he has a NMC that lets him dictate whether he wants to go or not. Maybe someone takes a flyer on Strome, DeHaan, Gus, or whatever other flotsam/chum the Hawks want to go trolling with, but the return on most of them will be picks that wont see the NHL for a few years, or prospects whose ceiling may be the same as the current group of prospects in the organization.
- TheTrob

Is ADB a core piece you build around though? That was more so my point in shopping him. I don't think he is a core piece. He is a complimentary scoring winger on a cup team. ABD is the type of player you go acquire after you have your core in place.

To me you build an NHL team up the middle or from the backend.

We can always hope, but reality is that DeHaan is on an expiring contract, has an injury history, and most of all has just not been very good. At this point he's probably a borderline 4th defenseman at best, more likely a 3rd pairing guy. If someone offers you a 3rd you take it and run like you stole something.
- TheTrob

For the most part, moving Dmen at the trade deadline historically nets a 4th thru 7th round pick depending on the player. The acquiring team is looking for playoff depth because they know they need about 9 defenceman available for a playoff run. They know there are no Bobby Orr's out there who are game changers.

So unless it turns into a robust seller's market, figure on a 4th for DeHaan and a 7th for Gus and the 2 additional open spots in the 50 contract maximum a team is allowed.

Is ADB a core piece you build around though? That was more so my point in shopping him. I don't think he is a core piece. He is a complimentary scoring winger on a cup team. ABD is the type of player you go acquire after you have your core in place.

To me you build an NHL team up the middle or from the backend.
- bhawks2241

So who or what would you expect back for ADB? The acquiring team needs to be able to fit that $6.4M contract under their cap this year and next.

So who or what would you expect back for ADB? The acquiring team needs to be able to fit that $6.4M contract under their cap this year and next.
- RickJ

No clue as I don't know what value other teams place on him.

I don't have an issue with the Hawks dangling him. He is not untouchable. I'd say at least a 1st and high end prospect back.