How are we still entertaining this guy? He says the same thing every time he logs on.

No one does know what he does or doesn’t do or say, correct. The decade long eye test however should paint the picture. Years lf slow starts. Years of playing down to competition. Years of 10 game loosing streaks. Years of inconsistencies. Does that not tell you something is wrong with him? Now that Jake is gone the only piece that has been here throughout it all. This past off season the GM & coach saying we needed to bring in more leadership & here we are worse off than last year. Maybe Jake’s A wasn’t the leader who was the problem. How about the C. This is not a major problem to you? This isn’t the writing on the wall?
- Fopa21

Again, I agree with the recitation of the problems. I just don't see laying them all at CG's feet. Don't you think the fact that our GM had a terrible offseason and hired the wrong coaches is a bigger factor than CG? KY is not an NHL caliber defenseman. Sanheim's numbers have improved since he is no longer playing with RR. Ellis played in 4 games. The Coots and Hayes injuries are bad luck but signing a band of castoffs in their place has not worked out. At least if you play the younger guys, you know there is a realistic chance of them developing into something. We are all frustrated but I just can't lay this off on Claude.

Again, I agree with the recitation of the problems. I just don't see laying them all at CG's feet. Don't you think the fact that our GM had a terrible offseason and hired the wrong coaches is a bigger factor than CG? KY is not an NHL caliber defenseman. Sanheim's numbers have improved since he is no longer playing with RR. Ellis played in 4 games. The Coots and Hayes injuries are bad luck but signing a band of castoffs in their place has not worked out. At least if you play the younger guys, you know there is a realistic chance of them developing into something. We are all frustrated but I just can't lay this off on Claude.
- iamscore2day

Like I said though it’s been a decade of this teams lack of effort right, we can agree on that? Maybe AV was wrong coach but we’ve had 6 or 7 different coaches during CC’s reign. Additionally, multiple GM’s have tried to right the ship fix the effort, inconsistency, slow starts etc etc. If CC is the last remaining piece now that Jake is gone (& playing well for CBJ) why do we continue to make excuses for CC? Walks & talks like a duck

Again, I agree with the recitation of the problems. I just don't see laying them all at CG's feet. Don't you think the fact that our GM had a terrible offseason and hired the wrong coaches is a bigger factor than CG? KY is not an NHL caliber defenseman. Sanheim's numbers have improved since he is no longer playing with RR. Ellis played in 4 games. The Coots and Hayes injuries are bad luck but signing a band of castoffs in their place has not worked out. At least if you play the younger guys, you know there is a realistic chance of them developing into something. We are all frustrated but I just can't lay this off on Claude.
- iamscore2day

The bottom line is that during the majority of Giroux's career, they have not sufficiently built the team well enough around him. At this stage of his career, he is no longer able to carry a team on his back and he can't overcome the dysfunction of this organization. Giroux is not a perfect player and he is not at the point where he can game in and game out overcome the teams deficiencies. However he is a warrior and has been his entire career. Playing with quality line mates he can still drive possession and score at a high rate. He would improve any playoff level team he went to.

Like I said though it’s been a decade of this teams lack of effort right, we can agree on that? Maybe AV was wrong coach but we’ve had 6 or 7 different coaches during CC’s reign. Additionally, multiple GM’s have tried to right the ship fix the effort, inconsistency, slow starts etc etc. If CC is the last remaining piece now that Jake is gone (& playing well for CBJ) why do we continue to make excuses for CC? Walks & talks like a duck
- Fopa21

Also, Sanheim is an even with 1 shot 0 points in the 2 games without RR. Idk if that’s an improvement

Like I said though it’s been a decade of this teams lack of effort right, we can agree on that? Maybe AV was wrong coach but we’ve had 6 or 7 different coaches during CC’s reign. Additionally, multiple GM’s have tried to right the ship fix the effort, inconsistency, slow starts etc etc. If CC is the last remaining piece now that Jake is gone (& playing well for CBJ) why do we continue to make excuses for CC? Walks & talks like a duck
- Fopa21

Who is making excuses? You have criticisms and we are saying that there is no basis for them? That is not an "excuse." That is a "you are wrong." There are no "yes, but ..." things here.

Also, Sanheim is an even with 1 shot 0 points in the 2 games without RR. Idk if that’s an improvement
- Fopa21

Risto With Sanheim: 49.45% ExGF; Without Sanheim: 42.1% ExGF. Sanheim's #s are better w/o RR.

The bottom line is that during the majority of Giroux's career, they have not sufficiently built the team well enough around him. At this stage of his career, he is no longer able to carry a team on his back and he can't overcome the dysfunction of this organization. Giroux is not a perfect player and he is not at the point where he can game in and game out overcome the teams deficiencies. However he is a warrior and has been his entire career. Playing with quality line mates he can still drive possession and score at a high rate. He would improve any playoff level team he went to.
- MJL

If he’s still in a Flyers sweater after the deadline it’ll be very telling won’t it? Obviously the season has long been over so no reason not to move him for whatever you can get right? So IF teams are only offering a 5th round pick you still trade him right? Anything is better than keeping him for no reason right? So there should be zero reason he isn’t traded if he wants to. So, lets see 1. what CC actually cares about & 2. What GM’s actually think about him

Who is making excuses? You have criticisms and we are saying that there is no basis for them? That is not an "excuse." That is a "you are wrong." There are no "yes, but ..." things here.
- iamscore2day

You are ignoring the decade of nothingness than. That is the basis for everything. Inconsistent, lack of effort, slow starts, make the playoffs then miss the playoffs, no deep runs nothing of any substance to show for except multiple 10 game loosing streaks. Do we have a third coming?

You are ignoring the decade of nothingness than. That is the basis for everything. Inconsistent, lack of effort, slow starts, make the playoffs then miss the playoffs, no deep runs nothing of any substance to show for
- Fopa21

In your mind and some others to blame this on CG, I guess.

In your mind and some others, I guess.
- iamscore2day

I’m not trying to just troll & argue. Isn’t that correct tho? I’m not saying it’s all his fault but he certainly plays a big part in the teams lack of effort & consistency for a decade. That is not off base given the history

I’m not trying to just troll & argue. Isn’t that correct tho? I’m not saying it’s all his fault but he certainly plays a big part in the teams lack of effort & consistency for a decade. That is not off base given the history
- Fopa21

Correct as to the team but your extending that to CG is mostly you.

Correct as to the team but your extending that to CG is mostly you.
- iamscore2day

But he has been the “best player”, the captain, face of the franchise, “the leader” for the last decade. The only one who has remained. We’ve heard Jake was the problem, AV, Hexy, Hak, Lavy, Berube but the fact that the only remaining guy is a big part of the continual problem is blasphemy?

CC is not part of the solution going forward.

CC is not part of the solution going forward.
- hello it's me 2050

So he like many others should be traded for essentially anything right

But he has been the “best player”, the captain, face of the franchise, “the leader” for the last decade. The only one who has remained. We’ve heard Jake was the problem, AV, Hexy, Hak, Lavy, Berube but the fact that the only remaining guy is a big part of the continual problem is blasphemy?
- Fopa21

The only blasphemy that I aware of is criticizing Saint Ronnie. (kidding, actually). You appear to be on your own in this crusade ...

If he’s still in a Flyers sweater after the deadline it’ll be very telling won’t it? Obviously the season has long been over so no reason not to move him for whatever you can get right? So IF teams are only offering a 5th round pick you still trade him right? Anything is better than keeping him for no reason right? So there should be zero reason he isn’t traded if he wants to. So, lets see 1. what CC actually cares about & 2. What GM’s actually think about him
- Fopa21

disagree. Reason being is let him finish out the year here and suffer. I do not do him any favors for a crap return.

You are def off base if you do not think he will get a good return. Add to the fact he may actually get rejuvenated knowing he is on a good team. He will def 100% help a team.

The only blasphemy that I aware of is criticizing Saint Ronnie. (kidding, actually). You appear to be on your own in this crusade ...
- iamscore2day

That does seem to be a hot button topic too. I personally think St. Ronnie was a bust but at least with him you can say well if they gave him more time. CC however has gotten time, different coaches, different players, different GM’s, different “leaders”. Idk why so many people choose to not accept that he plays a big part in the continual problem when the evidence is right in front of us

Losing for the flyers has now become accepted.

disagree. Reason being is let him finish out the year here and suffer. I do not do him any favors for a crap return.

You are def off base if you do not think he will get a good return. Add to the fact he may actually get rejuvenated knowing he is on a good team. He will def 100% help a team.
- hello it's me 2050

Time will tell us everything then

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 1/17/21 @ NYI
- bmeltzer

Is loss eight in a row in the cards tonight?

Time will tell us everything then
- Fopa21

Part of me wants to let CC rot. Don't move him at all even if he ask!!!

That being said still look for an ext to be signed lol.

I take the good return back. This is after all Fletcher. When he goes to the Rangers watch Patrick Nemeth be the contract that comes back with picks/prospects.

If he’s still in a Flyers sweater after the deadline it’ll be very telling won’t it? Obviously the season has long been over so no reason not to move him for whatever you can get right? So IF teams are only offering a 5th round pick you still trade him right? Anything is better than keeping him for no reason right? So there should be zero reason he isn’t traded if he wants to. So, lets see 1. what CC actually cares about & 2. What GM’s actually think about him
- Fopa21

If CG is open to being traded he will get a 1st plus...if he isnt open to being traded means having a 1 in 16 chance to win a cup isnt as important to him as staying with his family. The interesting part is what happens when he becomes a UFA.

That does seem to be a hot button topic too. I personally think St. Ronnie was a bust but at least with him you can say well if they gave him more time. CC however has gotten time, different coaches, different players, different GM’s, different “leaders”. Idk why so many people choose to not accept that he plays a big part in the continual problem when the evidence is right in front of us
- Fopa21

For me, there are so many problems and so many variables that getting rid of him or blaming him for all of them just does not seem to fit the situation. We are likely to lose him, though as we will be offered too much to say no from someone like Carolina or LAK that has a deep prospect pool. I would just like someone other than Cliff to make these decisions because I have lost all faith in him.

Part of me wants to let CC rot. Don't move him at all even if he ask!!!

That being said still look for an ext to be signed lol.
- hello it's me 2050

Fearfully yes it’ll probably happen. At this point he is our Keith Yandle. Needs to break all organizational records