Well for one they could say nothing....... The teammates bring this up on their own. They arent asked about Giroux competitiveness.......
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Do you think if his teammates came out and said anything negative about Giroux that he would state the same thing?

Claude Giroux is said to be one of the most competitive players on the team by many players. The so called narrative that he is comfortable is way off base.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

How is it way off?

what teams can ex selke easily be moved to?
- hello it's me 2050

If you mean Coots, I hope the answer is that we don't try to move him. Guy is hurt. He needs to mend. He plays hard and with heart. I don't want him to be moved. I want him to recover.

Funny stat alert:

Claude Giroux last 35 playoff games:

3 goals 18 points -9

Keith Yandle last 31 playoff games:

3 goals 17 points -1
- Fopa21

Irrelevant..Yandle was on Tampa CG on Flyers...

Small: he is bigger than Martin St. Louis and a lot of other players who have great runs and scoring. Non-physical: not fair characterization really. He has and does play physical but he is also a scorer and playmaker so physicality is not what he does or what team needs from him. Defense: not in agreement here either. You also did not mention his regular season scoring at all. So, you think that other teams would look at ONLY playoff scoring and ignore the fact that he is in top 10 of NHL scoring since 08 and is a 7-time all star and would view him no differently than a marginal NHL player? Sorry, I have to agree to disagree on that POV.
- iamscore2day

I’m not saying size is indicative of not being effective. St. Louis was a battler. G is not. Not since he burried Sid in the playoffs a decade ago. He got term & got paid & took his foot off the gas. The eye test has to tell you that. Again, you said playoff run that’s why I brought up playoff stats. He disappears when the D cracks down. You can perhaps but some blame on teammates but he cannot run from his stats in the playoffs. Especially if he is one of the top 8 in scoring. Step up. Has to be better than 3 goals in 35 games. Regular season is irrelevant when it comes playoff time

Irrelevant..Yandle was on Tampa CG on Flyers...
- hfc355

When did Yandle play for Tampa???????

If you mean Coots, I hope the answer is that we don't try to move him. Guy is hurt. He needs to mend. He plays hard and with heart. I don't want him to be moved. I want him to recover.
- iamscore2day

So does Max willman

If he scores 3 goals in 35 games getting first line minutes & first unit PP, if he goes to a contender as a complimentary piece with less TOI say playing on line 2 or 3 he may never score again lol

Every player on the roster has interest. A playoff team would even be interested in Seeler as insurance as their 8th 9th d man for a deep run. So, yes a team could be interested in CC giving up a 5th rd pick but no team is giving up anything of value for a small non physical, no defense, only 3 goals in his 35 playoff game player
- Fopa21

Completely wrong...there are many teams who could use CG and he wouldnt be the guy expecting to put up big numbers. Flyers easily get a 1st and a mid tier prospect for him IF he waives his NTC...Rags..Caps..Bruins..Canes..Pens..would all jump at the opportunity to get him....He would be an ideal piece for the Rangers who would love to add a guy who could play top 6 wing and or 3C with 60% faceoff winning %..he fills 3 of their biggest needs

You can say you'd like to see the Flyers rebuild without Giroux or that it may be time to turn the page or that you don't like him as the captain of this franchise. But saying he's not a top-6 forward in the league just makes you sound dumb. To say that he's not in the top 192 forwards in the NHL right now should earn you a sign that says "I'm a moron who doesn't actually watch professional hockey."

Yes, his window of productivity is closing.
Yes, he may not be the straw that stirs the drink.
Yes, he's underperformed recently in the playoffs compared to expectations.

But no, he's not a bad player and would have tremendous value to any playoff team.

When did Yandle play for Tampa???????
- Fopa21

My mistake got my Florida teams mixed up..Got lots of his points playing for a Rangers team that made a deep run

Funny stat alert:

Claude Giroux last 35 playoff games:

3 goals 18 points -9

Keith Yandle last 31 playoff games:

3 goals 17 points -1
- Fopa21

Hmmmmm wonder what those stats might look like if he was on a playoff line with say, Hall and Pasta, Crosby and Rust, perhaps Marner, Point, perhaps Panarin. Fact of the matter is, there are legit contenders that would be a great fit for G and should be willing to give a lot to rent him. Heck of Foligno got a first rounder, there’s no reason to belive that G couldn’t fetch much more

You can say you'd like to see the Flyers rebuild without Giroux or that it may be time to turn the page or that you don't like him as the captain of this franchise. But saying he's not a top-6 forward in the league just makes you sound dumb. To say that he's not in the top 192 forwards in the NHL right now should earn you a sign that says "I'm a moron who doesn't actually watch professional hockey."

Yes, his window of productivity is closing.
Yes, he may not be the straw that stirs the drink.
Yes, he's underperformed recently in the playoffs compared to expectations.

But no, he's not a bad player and would have tremendous value to any playoff team.
- atibus

You like many seem to relate points to being the be all end all. It’s old but if it was he would of been a contributor to all the team Canada’s he couldn’t crack line up on.

Yes, He puts up points offensively. Yes, he wins face offs. Does he play defense, no. Does he hit, no. Can he lead & bring guys together to buy in & play hard, no. One dimensional.

I’m not saying size is indicative of not being effective. St. Louis was a battler. G is not. Not since he burried Sid in the playoffs a decade ago. He got term & got paid & took his foot off the gas. The eye test has to tell you that. Again, you said playoff run that’s why I brought up playoff stats. He disappears when the D cracks down. You can perhaps but some blame on teammates but he cannot run from his stats in the playoffs. Especially if he is one of the top 8 in scoring. Step up. Has to be better than 3 goals in 35 games. Regular season is irrelevant when it comes playoff time
- Fopa21

G looks like he is battling and playing hard to me. I don't fault him for effort or execution like I fault others. It is tempting to blame the captain for a team's performance but I just don't see it with the guy. I also don't think anyone on this board has any idea what he says or does or does not say or do in that locker room. So, the criticisms of him not being a tough captain are just made up. Plus, our management's willingness to put players like Yandle, Seeler and 4 guys (only 1 of whom belongs in the NHL) night after night is the elephant in the room. The other players on the team know what their limits are. They are being asked to believe in a fairy tale that a team with this composition can beat better NHL teams. Honigberg and Zamula should be in the bigs. Let's see what they can do. Bring up Sushko, Sandin, and Big Red. Adding speed and skill to our lineup might be enough to get us over the hump.

My mistake got my Florida teams mixed up..Got lots of his points playing for a Rangers team that made a deep run
- hfc355

19 & 20 played for Panther teams that got bounced in the first round. 7 games total those two years 5 points & an even

My mistake got my Florida teams mixed up..Got lots of his points playing for a Rangers team that made a deep run
- hfc355

No one from Miami would like to be confused with someone from Tampa. That is for sure.

Hmmmmm wonder what those stats might look like if he was on a playoff line with say, Hall and Pasta, Crosby and Rust, perhaps Marner, Point, perhaps Panarin. Fact of the matter is, there are legit contenders that would be a great fit for G and should be willing to give a lot to rent him. Heck of Foligno got a first rounder, there’s no reason to belive that G couldn’t fetch much more
- mikeyo27

Foligno can chip in offensively though not as gifted as CC. However, Foligno can also hit play D fight none of things CC can do. Just watch he will not be moved

So does Max willman
- hello it's me 2050

You can have Willman or MacEwen but not both. They are basically the same player. Having them, Brown Mayhew all out there together is never going to beat a better team unless Hart steals the game.

Hmmmmm wonder what those stats might look like if he was on a playoff line with say, Hall and Pasta, Crosby and Rust, perhaps Marner, Point, perhaps Panarin. Fact of the matter is, there are legit contenders that would be a great fit for G and should be willing to give a lot to rent him. Heck of Foligno got a first rounder, there’s no reason to belive that G couldn’t fetch much more
- mikeyo27

That is what those teams will be thinking and evaluating.

Completely wrong...there are many teams who could use CG and he wouldnt be the guy expecting to put up big numbers. Flyers easily get a 1st and a mid tier prospect for him IF he waives his NTC...Rags..Caps..Bruins..Canes..Pens..would all jump at the opportunity to get him....He would be an ideal piece for the Rangers who would love to add a guy who could play top 6 wing and or 3C with 60% faceoff winning %..he fills 3 of their biggest needs
- hfc355

Is it possible to have a 102 point season and finish in the top 4 in Hart trophy voting playing with your foot off of the gas? It's a rhetorical question of course.

G looks like he is battling and playing hard to me. I don't fault him for effort or execution like I fault others. It is tempting to blame the captain for a team's performance but I just don't see it with the guy. I also don't think anyone on this board has any idea what he says or does or does not say or do in that locker room. So, the criticisms of him not being a tough captain are just made up. Plus, our management's willingness to put players like Yandle, Seeler and 4 guys (only 1 of whom belongs in the NHL) night after night is the elephant in the room. The other players on the team know what their limits are. They are being asked to believe in a fairy tale that a team with this composition can beat better NHL teams. Honigberg and Zamula should be in the bigs. Let's see what they can do. Bring up Sushko, Sandin, and Big Red. Adding speed and skill to our lineup might be enough to get us over the hump.
- iamscore2day

No one does know what he does or doesn’t do or say, correct. The decade long eye test however should paint the picture. Years lf slow starts. Years of playing down to competition. Years of 10 game loosing streaks. Years of inconsistencies. Does that not tell you something is wrong with him? Now that Jake is gone the only piece that has been here throughout it all. This past off season the GM & coach saying we needed to bring in more leadership & here we are worse off than last year. Maybe Jake’s A wasn’t the leader who was the problem. How about the C. This is not a major problem to you? This isn’t the writing on the wall?

Giroux has twice finished in the top 20 in Selke voting in the last 4 seasons.

Is it possible to have a 102 point season and finish in the top in Hart trophy voting playing with your foot off of the gas? It's a rhetorical question of course.
- MJL

Maybe if you're Gretzky. It makes me wonder who exactly is overrating Giroux here

Is it possible to have a 102 point season and finish in the top 4 in Hart trophy voting playing with your foot off of the gas? It's a rhetorical question of course.
- MJL

Coincidentally a career high in shooting percentage

Is it possible to have a 102 point season and finish in the top 4 in Hart trophy voting playing with your foot off of the gas? It's a rhetorical question of course.
- MJL

102 point season was an anomaly.

Giroux has twice finished in the top 20 in Selke voting in the last 4 seasons.
- MJL

Alexander Daigle went first overall too