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iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:17 PM ET
I guess you will be shocked then when he doesn’t get moved/and or you can blame the GM saying he dropped the ball. The reality of it is captain comfortable isn’t what a cup contender is looking for
- Fopa21

CC is a funny nickname but it is important to note that no one outside of that locker room really knows what CG does, or does not, say or do inside it. I do find interesting the focus on him not doing enough to help the team win when we routinely field non-NHL level talent like Yandle, Seeler, Brown, and Willman. It is now time for me to join many on this board in the worship the essence of a high-energy, low-skill player like ZM.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:28 PM ET
CC is a funny nickname but it is important to note that no one outside of that locker room really knows what CG does, or does not, say or do inside it. I do find interesting the focus on him not doing enough to help the team win when we routinely field non-NHL level talent like Yandle, Seeler, Brown, and Willman. It is now time for me to join many on this board in the worship the essence of a high-energy, low-skill player like ZM.
- iamscore2day


I would respectfully suggest ignoring a source who claims that Giroux is not a player that any contending team would want.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:33 PM ET
I would respectfully suggest ignoring a source who claims that Giroux is not a player that any contending team would want.
- MJL

I missed that part. That is crazy talk.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:33 PM ET
CC is a funny nickname but it is important to note that no one outside of that locker room really knows what CG does, or does not, say or do inside it. I do find interesting the focus on him not doing enough to help the team win when we routinely field non-NHL level talent like Yandle, Seeler, Brown, and Willman. It is now time for me to join many on this board in the worship the essence of a high-energy, low-skill player like ZM.
- iamscore2day


Again, you’re one of many using the 10th, 11th, 12th forward as an excuse why this team sucks. The bottom roster players are not the problem. It is the top roster players not the 5th/6th defenseman. Stop. The Rangers who sit a top the division regularly send out Patrick Nemeth who has 0 goals 2 points & is a minus 9 in 35 games. He also is averaging 17+ minutes per game. 2 minutes more than Yandle averages & 5 more than Seeler. It’s Provy & Sanheim that are the problem on the backend. Your so called 1 & 3 are nothing more than a 2 & a 5.

Upfront none of the top 6 are legit top 6’s
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Jan 17 @ 1:35 PM ET
Risto out of protocol.
- Peter Richards

He was actually out this past Saturday but they (Yeo, maybe the med staff) thought he was still too fatigued to play.

At least what I overheard on the broadcast. I wasn't paying too close attention. Which is more frequent these days, especially for weekend games, when it's just a background to my main activities.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Jan 17 @ 1:35 PM ET
I've lived in Raleigh and South Fla. I've seen a lot of games at both arenas. There are always a lot of visiting teams fans in the arenas. I'm guessing less so now that both teams are relevant. I used to pick up Flyers ticks in Raleigh on game day. Could get 2 seats for under $20. The building was empty. You could sit anywhere.
- jaws1955

It used to be like that in Tampa, mostly before their first Cup, and for a short while a few years between their next one. But prices got jacked when they moved to the Ice Palace. I miss the Thunderdome (Tropicana Field). Tix were really dirt cheap and no matter where you sat, the sightlines were excellent. In the current place, you almost need field glasses in the upper bowl.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:35 PM ET
I missed that part. That is crazy talk.
- iamscore2day


So come April when he is still on the team what will your narrative be? He’s to loyal? The GM couldn’t figure out which of the dozens of offers were the best? Bob Clarke nixed the deal?
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:36 PM ET
I guess you will be shocked then when he doesn’t get moved/and or you can blame the GM saying he dropped the ball. The reality of it is captain comfortable isn’t what a cup contender is looking for
- Fopa21

Is it his goals or assists that you think would kill their interest? With his stats, he would be a high profile guy if available. I get that you don't like him but that no team looking to make a playoff run would want him is just plainly not right.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:38 PM ET
So come April when he is still on the team what will your narrative be? He’s to loyal? The GM couldn’t figure out which of the dozens of offers were the best? Bob Clarke nixed the deal?
- Fopa21

The Flyers may want to extend him. They could also decide that the offers were not enough. But that outcome could still occur and you would still be wrong that no contenders would have any interest in him.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 17 @ 1:42 PM ET
Is it his goals or assists that you think would kill their interest? With his stats, he would be a high profile guy if available. I get that you don't like him but that no team looking to make a playoff run would want him is just plainly not right.
- iamscore2day

He’s right. Giroux can only play all situations, every forward positions, still producing and best faceoff man in the league the passed number of seasons. Who would want that?
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:42 PM ET
Again, you’re one of many using the 10th, 11th, 12th forward as an excuse why this team sucks. The bottom roster players are not the problem. It is the top roster players not the 5th/6th defenseman. Stop. The Rangers who sit a top the division regularly send out Patrick Nemeth who has 0 goals 2 points & is a minus 9 in 35 games. He also is averaging 17+ minutes per game. 2 minutes more than Yandle averages & 5 more than Seeler. It’s Provy & Sanheim that are the problem on the backend. Your so called 1 & 3 are nothing more than a 2 & a 5.

Upfront none of the top 6 are legit top 6’s

- Fopa21

Seeler and Yandle are D-men and they are not only bad, they also send a message about what the FO wants to do. That is also true for forwards 9-12 (I forgot to add Gerry Mayhew to my list, who skated on the 2nd line against the Rs IIRC). It does seem that we agree that there are many problems on the team and that a lot of them do not involve CG. So, that is something.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:43 PM ET
He’s right. He can only play all situations, every forward positions, still producing and best faceoff man in the league the passed number of seasons. Who would want that?
- SuperSchennBros

Now that you have explained it, I may come around to this "logic."
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:44 PM ET
Is it his goals or assists that you think would kill their interest? With his stats, he would be a high profile guy if available. I get that you don't like him but that no team looking to make a playoff run would want him is just plainly not right.
- iamscore2day


Key words: PLAYOFF RUN. Look at his stats in the PLAYOFFS. 3 goals in last 35 PLAYOFF games. Teams are dying for that!? LOL
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 17 @ 1:45 PM ET
I guess you will be shocked then when he doesn’t get moved/and or you can blame the GM saying he dropped the ball. The reality of it is captain comfortable isn’t what a cup contender is looking for
- Fopa21


Claude Giroux is said to be one of the most competitive players on the team by many players. The so called narrative that he is comfortable is way off base.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:45 PM ET
He’s right. Giroux can only play all situations, every forward positions, still producing and best faceoff man in the league the passed number of seasons. Who would want that?
- SuperSchennBros


There is a difference between being able to play in all situations & playing in all situations because you’re the face of the franchise/they have no one else. You understand that right?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:47 PM ET
Key words: PLAYOFF RUN. Look at his stats in the PLAYOFFS. 3 goals in last 35 PLAYOFF games. Teams are dying for that!? LOL
- Fopa21

shh we need to convince other teams he's worth something
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:47 PM ET
Claude Giroux is said to be one of the most competitive players on the team by many players. The so called narrative that he is comfortable is way off base.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


What do you expect his teammates to say about him? You believe everything you read?
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:49 PM ET
shh we need to convince other teams he's worth something
- 2Real


Haha. My apologies. One can only hope someone will take him
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:50 PM ET
Key words: PLAYOFF RUN. Look at his stats in the PLAYOFFS. 3 goals in last 35 PLAYOFF games. Teams are dying for that!? LOL
- Fopa21

So, we are back to the sole responsibility thing? CG is responsible for all playoff offense on the team. If no one is scoring on the Flyers during a playoff run, his failure to do anything either means it is all at his feet. Seems a little inconsistent with your last position and also seems to reject the notion that scorers during the regular season will also score in the playoffs. I agree it is a relevant consideration, I think it just gets thrown on the pile of considerations but is not reason in and of itself to have zero interest in the player.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:54 PM ET
Is it his goals or assists that you think would kill their interest? With his stats, he would be a high profile guy if available. I get that you don't like him but that no team looking to make a playoff run would want him is just plainly not right.
- iamscore2day


That's being way too kind to the opinion.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
So, we are back to the sole responsibility thing? CG is responsible for all playoff offense on the team. If no one is scoring on the Flyers during a playoff run, his failure to do anything either means it is all at his feet. Seems a little inconsistent with your last position and also seems to reject the notion that scorers during the regular season will also score in the playoffs. I agree it is a relevant consideration, I think it just gets thrown on the pile of considerations but is not reason in and of itself to have zero interest in the player.
- iamscore2day


If he scores 3 goals in 35 games getting first line minutes & first unit PP, if he goes to a contender as a complimentary piece with less TOI say playing on line 2 or 3 he may never score again lol

Every player on the roster has interest. A playoff team would even be interested in Seeler as insurance as their 8th 9th d man for a deep run. So, yes a team could be interested in CC giving up a 5th rd pick but no team is giving up anything of value for a small non physical, no defense, only 3 goals in his 35 playoff game player
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 17 @ 2:00 PM ET
What do you expect his teammates to say about him? You believe everything you read?
- Fopa21


Well for one they could say nothing....... The teammates bring this up on their own. They arent asked about Giroux competitiveness.......

Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jan 17 @ 2:01 PM ET
Funny stat alert:

Claude Giroux last 35 playoff games:

3 goals 18 points -9

Keith Yandle last 31 playoff games:

3 goals 17 points -1

iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Jan 17 @ 2:03 PM ET
If he scores 3 goals in 35 games getting first line minutes & first unit PP, if he goes to a contender as a complimentary piece with less TOI say playing on line 2 or 3 he may never score again lol

Every player on the roster has interest. A playoff team would even be interested in Seeler as insurance as their 8th 9th d man for a deep run. So, yes a team could be interested in CC giving up a 5th rd pick but no team is giving up anything of value for a small non physical, no defense, only 3 goals in his 35 playoff game player

- Fopa21

Small: he is bigger than Martin St. Louis and a lot of other players who have had great runs and playoff scoring. Non-physical: not fair characterization really. He has and does play physical but he is also a scorer and playmaker so physicality is not what he does or what team needs from him. Defense: not in agreement here either. You also did not mention his regular season scoring at all. So, you think that other teams would look at ONLY playoff scoring and ignore the fact that he is in top 10 of NHL scoring since 08 and is a 7-time all star and would view him no differently than a marginal NHL player? Sorry, I have to agree to disagree on that POV.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 17 @ 2:04 PM ET
I would respectfully suggest ignoring a source who claims that Giroux is not a player that any contending team would want.
- MJL

what teams can ex selke easily be moved to?
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