Maybe the organization is thinking ahead. Maybe they want Frost to demonstrate that he can play the right way before they reward him with top 6 minutes? That is how you develop young players, by teaching them how to play the right way and then rewarding them once they play the right way consistently. Letting them play top 6 minutes when they have not earned it is not how you develop young players.
- jd250

If you recall Bill even mentioned they are sending the kid mixed messages. Yeo said the small details were better but he needs to score, so which is it? This is not how you develop young players, putting a scorer on a line with a guy that is no more than a fourth liner anywhere is the wrong thing to do. Why do you think they either have prospects play a large role in the AHL if they can’t crack the top 9?

Now who is the clueless one?? How can you make this statement with a straight face??
- jd250

The other day, you said that McEwen made a huge impact. Numerous posters made a joke about that. Or how about you have no interest in Marner because he hasn't scored more than 60 points in a season and didn't play 82 games in covid shortened seasons. McEwen, huge impact. Marner, no interest. What look did you have on your face when making those statements?

Now who is the clueless one?? How can you make this statement with a straight face??
- jd250

Zac Mc isnt making an offensive impact on Giroux's wing let alone Frosts....Playing Frost with these stiffs is beyond inept

Maybe the organization is thinking ahead. Maybe they want Frost to demonstrate that he can play the right way before they reward him with top 6 minutes? That is how you develop young players, by teaching them how to play the right way and then rewarding them once they play the right way consistently. Letting them play top 6 minutes when they have not earned it is not how you develop young players.
- jd250

So the way the Flyers consistently try and develop players is how you do it? Their track record says otherwise. The Flyers are looking forward alright. With the same screwed up methods and vision that they've had forever. It's proven and works very well.
Putting a player in the best position for him to succeed with the most support is not how you do it. Making it harder and more difficult for the player to grow his game and get some confidence is the right way. I'm surprised they don't send him out to Cali for some BUDS training with the Seals.

I think you mean Yeo. From what I see watching the games, the Flyers are possessing the puck more once they get into their system. They are generating turnovers in the neutral zone and counter attacking better than they have been. I think the Flyers zone breakouts have been a little better also, York using his feet has really helped here. I think the gaps are better also. The problem now is it seems to take the Flyers several minutes to find their game and get into a rhythm, hence the slow starts recently. I thought last night the Flyers were moving their feet right from the get go, but they could not capitalize on two early PPs and a myriad of grade A chances in the 2nd, and that is why they lost.
- jd250

Not to nitpick, but the Flyers and their starts have been an issue for probably the better part of a decade or more at this point. Lavy, Berube, Hakstol, Gordon, AV, and now Yeo. Hell, I think it happened under Stevens too.

Not to nitpick, but the Flyers and their starts have been an issue for probably the better part of a decade or more at this point. Lavy, Berube, Hakstol, Gordon, AV, and now Yeo. Hell, I think it happened under Stevens too.
- hockeylover

True, and why is that? What hasn't changed over the last decade? New coaches, new players, same old issues.

Relocate the franchise, get an expansion team is the only way this will turn around.

True, and why is that? What hasn't changed over the last decade? New coaches, new players, same old issues.
- bradster

Has to be the puppet master. He forces his teammates to play poorly so he will look good?

True, and why is that? What hasn't changed over the last decade? New coaches, new players, same old issues.
- bradster

Some on here would probably point to the one constant, Giroux. I don't buy it, but maybe I'm wrong. Personally, my interest in this team/franchise is waning more and more with every loss. In the end, I can find better ways to spend my time.

That should frighten the folks who above the GM, but I don't think they care either. I'm just disgusted at this point.

Zac Mc isnt making an offensive impact on Giroux's wing let alone Frosts....Playing Frost with these stiffs is beyond inept
- THE BLACK HAND

McEwen making a huge impact on Frost's development...

Answer my questions.

What impact does he make? give me a break. On nay contender he isn't an everyday player.

Just curious how does his analytics and underling metrics look?
- hello it's me 2050

Ok, lets look at the Rangers game as an example. 3rd period, game tied 1-1, MacEwen single handedly carries the puck from his own end to the Rangers end and generates a scoring chance that the goalie saves. However MacEwen gets the rebound, sends the puck up the boards where York one times a shot for a goal giving the Flyers a 2-1 lead. That goal was entirely due to MacEwen's hard work and determination to get that puck on net. Give me one example of Frost making a play like this so far this season.

Ok, lets look at the Rangers game as an example. 3rd period, game tied 1-1, MacEwen single handedly carries the puck from his own end to the Rangers end and generates a scoring chance that the goalie saves. However MacEwen gets the rebound, sends the puck up the boards where York one times a shot for a goal giving the Flyers a 2-1 lead. That goal was entirely due to MacEwen's hard work and determination to get that puck on net. Give me one example of Frost making a play like this so far this season.
- jd250

That is great. He made a good play. That is what I call making an impact to the 4th line. The 2nd game frost played at the 9:17 mark of the 2nd period

What contender is Zac in the lineup every day?

You clearly just do not get it with Frost and development overall. That is ok. Now at least I know for sure.

So the way the Flyers consistently try and develop players is how you do it? Their track record says otherwise. The Flyers are looking forward alright. With the same screwed up methods and vision that they've had forever. It's proven and works very well.
Putting a player in the best position for him to succeed with the most support is not how you do it. Making it harder and more difficult for the player to grow his game and get some confidence is the right way. I'm surprised they don't send him out to Cali for some BUDS training with the Seals.
- MJL

Frost is playing on the 2nd PP unit, so he is playing with Hayes, Atkinson, Yandle and Provorov. How does Frost look to you on this unit?

Ok, lets look at the Rangers game as an example. 3rd period, game tied 1-1, MacEwen single handedly carries the puck from his own end to the Rangers end and generates a scoring chance that the goalie saves. However MacEwen gets the rebound, sends the puck up the boards where York one times a shot for a goal giving the Flyers a 2-1 lead. That goal was entirely due to MacEwen's hard work and determination to get that puck on net. Give me one example of Frost making a play like this so far this season.
- jd250

You need to watch that replay again.

Fox cleared the puck right to York. Jackson Cates (and a bunch of Rangers) provided the high screen. Those are the two reasons the goal was scored.

You need to watch that replay again.

Fox cleared the puck right to York. Jackson Cates (and a bunch of Rangers) provided the high screen. Those are the two reasons the goal was scored.
- Tomahawk

MacEwen is the guy who started the play and made the rush to the Rangers goal. How can you not give him credit for this??? Talk about clueless!

Ok, lets look at the Rangers game as an example. 3rd period, game tied 1-1, MacEwen single handedly carries the puck from his own end to the Rangers end and generates a scoring chance that the goalie saves. However MacEwen gets the rebound, sends the puck up the boards where York one times a shot for a goal giving the Flyers a 2-1 lead. That goal was entirely due to MacEwen's hard work and determination to get that puck on net. Give me one example of Frost making a play like this so far this season.
- jd250

Your description of the York goal is not entirely accurate. The goal was unassisted. Know why, because McEwen did not send the puck back to the point. A Ranger did.

Bill Meltzer recently stated that Frost has made a number of quality set up plays that weren't finished.

Frost is playing on the 2nd PP unit, so he is playing with Hayes, Atkinson, Yandle and Provorov. How does Frost look to you on this unit?
- jd250

Both PP's are a mess. Hard to make a play when you don't have the puck or when the PP can't even get set up.

MacEwen is the guy who started the play and made the rush to the Rangers goal. How can you not give him credit for this??? Talk about clueless!
- jd250

Think we can trade McEwen to Toronto for Marner?

Ok, lets look at the Rangers game as an example. 3rd period, game tied 1-1, MacEwen single handedly carries the puck from his own end to the Rangers end and generates a scoring chance that the goalie saves. However MacEwen gets the rebound, sends the puck up the boards where York one times a shot for a goal giving the Flyers a 2-1 lead. That goal was entirely due to MacEwen's hard work and determination to get that puck on net. Give me one example of Frost making a play like this so far this season.
- jd250

MacEwen never touched the rebound. The goal was unassisted

Answer my questions.

What impact does he make? give me a break. On nay contender he isn't an everyday player.

Just curious how does his analytics and underling metrics look?
- hello it's me 2050

This entire board has the flavor of the Titanic crew arguing about which vessel flaw made the tragedy more likely to happen. 2 things: this season is lost and nothing good organizationally is likely to happen before the end of the season. We can't fire Yeo because we don't have anyone to take over (Lappy as an HC in the NHL? Anyone like that idea?) No coach with prospects for a good job (e.g., the kind we would want) is coming while Chuck's future remains uncertain. Can we grab an assistant GM from another team mid-season? That also seems unlikely unless we want a "special" assistant (like Chuck was). So, if Chuck does hire someone from the outside to coach before the season ends, that likely means management has given him a confirmation that he will be here next year. (Ugh) This means that our best hope is that Yeo remains the coach because that increases the chances that Chuck will be sent packing. No guarantees on that of course. Just my take.

MacEwen is the guy who started the play and made the rush to the Rangers goal. How can you not give him credit for this??? Talk about clueless!
- jd250

Did you see how the Rangers played him coming out of the zone? Zack gets credit for sneaky speed, but that was some BAD transition D by Fox and company there in all three zones up until they finally poked the puck away.

Think we can trade McEwen to Toronto for Marner?
- MJL

Dubas would need some time to think it over.

Dubas would need some time to think it over.
- Tomahawk

Obviously the selling point is that McEwen makes a major impact.

They have scored 2 goals or less 24 times in 38 games.
- PLindbergh31

Konecny goal was fluky like hell 😆 🤣

Flyers coaches and GM are "playing scared" and this slop you're seeing is the direct result.

It's why you're trading a 1st for Risto. It's why Frost is playing on the 4th line. It's why it took COVID to call up York. It's why Nate Thompson, Brassard and Keith Yandle are not only signed, but playing every game (you know AV would've had Nate in the lineup every night if he wasn't hurt). It's why you made a desperation move for an injury prone supposed #1 with 47 years left on his contract.

The ONLY solution that I can ever see POSSIBLY working (barring a blockbuster trade for a player that can actually play hockey gud), is if the goofs at Comcast hire a knowledgeable hockey President with some fresh ideas of how to build a competitive team in the 2020s AND allow him to hire a GM and a coach that are told up front they will have x years of job security to make an impact. That x has to be more than 1 year, btw. Guys can't be coaching and GMing scared to death of losing their jobs. Let the players know up front that the coach and GM will not be fired for x years and if the players can't perform, they will be moved out.

No more NMCs. No more contracts over 6 years unless it's Connor McDavid Jr. No more long term contract to anyone 30 or over. No trading 1st round picks unless it's for a stud, not an ok defenseman on an expiring contract. If you suck, so be it, but you better hit on your draft picks. No one on the current roster is untouchable if the deal is right. (Not even Hart, even though it pains me to say that after suffering through the Swiss cheese we've had in goal over the years.)

Guess what else? If there are any more fans left after this crap show season, we're going to have to deal with it. Again.

I have spoken.